Cacahuates
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Did it make a significant difference from the cxl?
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Camouflet Ceramo XL
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I can see why they stipulated no pre order cancellations now.
you totally can hit it native like that.. just cut back on the heating times between successive hits if it's too hot.. will just take more sips to finish it (when i say sips it's still 7-10 second slow draws).. need to experiment until you get your groove on with it.. there is a slight learning curve
been using both this and cxl native after adjusting timings (less heat time needed for ceramo).. even the CXL with the quad bore isn't as cool as something like say the Venty and even that can get pretty uncomfortable if you push it long enough.. unless you have a really seasoned throat of steel not sure if 1HE is really wise native.. some can do it tho..maybe if I was still smoking analog cigs (packs a day!) I could pull it off
Cacahuates
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I think you're on to something with the light sips and reduced time. I attempted Lee's 5sec method and the 1st couple of hits were ok, but that 3rd was a wall of heat. It's cool to see the vapour down the stem inbetween hits.you totally can hit it native like that.. just cut back on the heating times between successive hits if it's too hot.. will just take more sips to finish it (when i say sips it's still 7-10 second slow draws).. need to experiment until you get your groove on with it.. there is a slight learning curve
been using both this and cxl native after adjusting timings (less heat time needed for ceramo).. even the CXL with the quad bore isn't as cool as something like say the Venty and even that can get pretty uncomfortable if you push it long enough.. unless you have a really seasoned throat of steel not sure if 1HE is really wise native.. some can do it tho..maybe if I was still smoking analog cigs (packs a day!) I could pull it off
stonedBBer
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So they doubled fucked up.
They sent me a chipped ceramo.
And they didn't sent thr super capacitor.
Whoever handles their packaging needs to be fired.
They sent me a chipped ceramo.
And they didn't sent thr super capacitor.
Whoever handles their packaging needs to be fired.
Durbandream
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If you only want one device I'd swap this one for the CXL, it's what you're looking for. The Ceramo is decent but feels a little ill conceived compared to the CXL which is pretty seamless and versatile. I don't regret getting the Ceramo for the pre-order price but I won't be buying any extra balls or mouthpieces for it since the CXL performs well enough as is.
Edit: Can someone else with both compare the regular camo cap from the Ceramo with one from the CXL? It looks and feels like the quality of the metal on the new one is a little lower/different. I'm also curious to know if the camo cap that came with the CXL makes the whining noise like the new one does since mine didn't.
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TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Can't compare as I don't have the CXL but the vapor was cool enough for me.
ya, i sometimes forget and pull way too fast on that 1st hit from cold if doing lower heating times.. usually happens after using a different vape before it. always super slow/nice and easy pull just till ya start feeling the heat or vapor come through then ramp up for native. stop the hit if it gets on the hotter side. pause couple second.. then hit again to get any residual heat out of the cap. continue session..
i tried his wand 5 second method too and it works, but felt that he put cap too deep and it was more conduction.. has its place if your in that conduction mood. I kinda modified it a little: 7-8 blinks from cold then 4 blinks each next with that depth. sometimes able to avoid the wall of heat hit that way.. maybe will give it a 5 blink if i think strain needs a little more push after 2 or so hits.
wound up settling on 2 methods with wand tho depending on if i want a hotter session or cooler.. inserting from bottom of wand and stop inserting as soon as heater engages. for a hot native: i can tolerate 12 blink from cold.. then successive 4-5 blink on reheats.
for a cooler longer session native: 10 blinks from cold then 4-5 blink reheats.. usually 4's. eventually the heat builds up and you get that hotter wall of heat hit haha.. usually it's done enough and flavor gone by then.. but you can squeeze in a few more if you like that.
no right way or wrong way .. whatever you like.. low heat time slow hits or hot 1 hit rip it on glass. learning curve to figure out where you like to be. if over heating it and doing slow native pull surely gonna fire up and combust lol - hotter longer heat up need faster harder pull
edit: this is the vid for the lee method for anyone who did not see it (still think its too deep in the wand, but works as a starting place until you figure out the timing and depth you like best for native):
I can get it done faster with the triple torch tho, usually my go to.
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I've gone off the company to be honest. I remember telling people they wouldn't nuke their carefully gained reputation with a pre order scam. Well I was only half right. It's not a scam, but it's not exactly an honest release either.
This thing is not ready for the market. They wanted to make a quick buck anyway. Their listing tricked many into thinking the device woukd be usable native. To tack on a solution of a mp and balls, which need to be ordered seperate with further shipping costs (substantial extra costs for those abroad) is not good. The cooling solution itself is incredibly brutish, as many actually don't want zero airflow and terrible cleaning experience that hundreds of tiny balls provide.
They bucked the typical manufacturers actions on this site. Usually a manufacturer will test, or have the item beta tested before any kind of release. This company took none refundable payments for essentially a blueprint. If im wrong and they had a test version and still released in this state that is a worse indictment.
The none cancellation thing is looking incredibly cynacle. I won't be trusting the company again in the future personally.
Too many great, honest manufacturers in the game now to have to put up with this.
This thing is not ready for the market. They wanted to make a quick buck anyway. Their listing tricked many into thinking the device woukd be usable native. To tack on a solution of a mp and balls, which need to be ordered seperate with further shipping costs (substantial extra costs for those abroad) is not good. The cooling solution itself is incredibly brutish, as many actually don't want zero airflow and terrible cleaning experience that hundreds of tiny balls provide.
They bucked the typical manufacturers actions on this site. Usually a manufacturer will test, or have the item beta tested before any kind of release. This company took none refundable payments for essentially a blueprint. If im wrong and they had a test version and still released in this state that is a worse indictment.
The none cancellation thing is looking incredibly cynacle. I won't be trusting the company again in the future personally.
Too many great, honest manufacturers in the game now to have to put up with this.
BlazeDis
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I totally agree , if it was brought to market with a mouthpiece and balls for Iets face it , a premium price I would not of bothered with it
There are too many other devices out there that tick those boxes … and work very well
The Ceramo is just turning out to be a bit of a crude device really and I wish I would have just stuck with the CXL . These extras we are all going to need should be sent out for free but that’s not going to happen is it
I feel like I’ve been fleeced big time
Camouflet knew this device wasn’t ready but still took everyone’s dough .
There are too many other devices out there that tick those boxes … and work very well
The Ceramo is just turning out to be a bit of a crude device really and I wish I would have just stuck with the CXL . These extras we are all going to need should be sent out for free but that’s not going to happen is it
I feel like I’ve been fleeced big time
Camouflet knew this device wasn’t ready but still took everyone’s dough .
zeebudz
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They are doing the same pre-order no refunds thing with the new mouthpiece. Obviously - as with the Ceramo - they are using pre-orders to figure out how many to manufacture.
What I don't get with the Ceramo is that even internal testing would have made it immediately obvious that they needed to do something about the cooling. Even supplying just a tip would have gone a long way. But I guess someone thought that a one-piece design (which I DO like) would be enough to generate buzz (!).
I'm currently using my Dyna M Condenser Assembly with an intercooler with my Ceramo. Doesn't restrict airflow much. I'm not filling it with balls for cooling. That seems sorta ridiculous.
Fair point on the none refundable pre order being due to this. I think I was being unfair on that count. Agreed though this feels like a rush job. Their wording on the initial pre order page suggested a complete unit, that would cool via the material choice.
Just seems like dishonest marketing hype. Which is an odd way to go since their last products were by all accounts great.
Eloh
Active Member
It was already kinda expected that this will be a work in progress when i ordered it so im not too mad about it personally, but yeah, it feels rushed and not totally honest.
The way i see it is that the ceramo will work great in combination with the new mouthpiece and either one of their ceramic coolers or a few bigger glass beads....
And that's probably the way they should ship it:
ceramo xl
2 extra friction fit screens
ceramic cooler
zirc mouthpiece
5mm borosilicate glass beads
super cap
fitting box with functioning torch
The way i see it is that the ceramo will work great in combination with the new mouthpiece and either one of their ceramic coolers or a few bigger glass beads....
And that's probably the way they should ship it:
ceramo xl
2 extra friction fit screens
ceramic cooler
zirc mouthpiece
5mm borosilicate glass beads
super cap
fitting box with functioning torch
I agree somewhat that it was not real world tested in every situation.. native hits and screaming cap especially.. have not tried it in wand yet but I wonder if tightening the teeth just a hair more would stop any whining? might not be able to remove it with a magnet but would stop the scream?
.. it does work tho. I won't be using any ball cooling solution either.. wondering if the bowl end holds the balls in with just the screen that's friction fit in the bowl yeah? that screen has been known to pop out (hasn't for me) but with expansion of the balls would make for one hot debowling if that screen gives out, lol. I could be wrong and they have a solution for it but not dealing with balls in it.. at first look seems too risky for a new years ball drop surprise. I doubt we will get free updates if they figure something out (it would be nice tho).. but it was only 99.. at full msrp would be questioning it a lot more
.. it does work tho. I won't be using any ball cooling solution either.. wondering if the bowl end holds the balls in with just the screen that's friction fit in the bowl yeah? that screen has been known to pop out (hasn't for me) but with expansion of the balls would make for one hot debowling if that screen gives out, lol. I could be wrong and they have a solution for it but not dealing with balls in it.. at first look seems too risky for a new years ball drop surprise. I doubt we will get free updates if they figure something out (it would be nice tho).. but it was only 99.. at full msrp would be questioning it a lot more
it doesn't hold a lot of butane.. works better for on the regular Convector.. i set the flame to almost full blast backed off right before it blows itself out from too much pressure on a full tank. if set very low flame it lasts a while and good for the vapman. the triple flames hold a lot more in the tank and last a decent amount of time.. never really count how many just top up butane when it gets low.. the larger kitchen ones have even bigger tank and go a long time before refill but not that pocketable.
edit: using some cheapie triples like this (the ones i have they don't sell anymore, but similar).. on full blast max (4th image) it's quick to heat. but i set inner blue flames about the length of the cover like the 3rd level in the sample pictures.
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zeebudz
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The Ceramo should come with a mouthpiece and intercooler. And a bamboo tube that would fit. Forget the bambox and wimpy torch. They should add a couple extra screens (and the CXL should also come with extra bowl o-rings).
Keep the Super Cap as an add-on.
zeebudz
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Forget that torch. Wimpy and inefficient. A decent single flame works amazingly well, super efficient.
Durbandream
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Tightening the fins didn't stop the screeching for me, does anyone know what's causing it?
I asked Chat GPT and got an interesting response:
“Ah, interesting situation—and totally valid to be curious about! What you’re hearing is a combo of physics, material interactions, and the nature of induction heating. Here’s a breakdown of why your stainless steel heating element makes noise when placed on a ceramic piece and heated by an induction heater:
1. Vibration from Eddy Currents (The Main Culprit)
Induction heaters generate rapidly alternating magnetic fields, which create eddy currents in conductive metals like stainless steel. These currents cause:
- Rapid heating, and
- Physical vibrations in the metal (called magnetostriction) — a slight expansion and contraction in response to the magnetic field.
2. Ceramic Acts as an Acoustic Surface
Even though ceramic is non-metallic and non-conductive:
- It’s rigid and can act like a resonating surface.
- It reflects the vibration energy from the steel rather than absorbing it, which makes the noise more audible—kind of like a drum skin.
3. Mechanical Fit + Tension
If the stainless steel is in direct contact with the ceramic (especially if it’s a tight or uneven fit), the uneven pressure points can create micro-gaps or tension that also amplify certain frequencies—like tapping a tuning fork on a table.
4. Frequency of the Induction Heater
Some induction heaters operate at audible frequencies (e.g., 20–40 kHz), and some people’s ears can detect that. The frequency can cause components to vibrate in sympathetic resonance, especially lightweight or unbalanced metal.
TL;DR:
Your induction heater is causing the stainless steel to vibrate due to eddy currents + magnetostriction. The ceramic piece reflects or amplifies this, making the noise more noticeable.”
Durbandream
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It happens on my titanium CXL too, not just the ceramic. It seems to be something about the build or metal quality of the recent cap since the older ones don't do this. Can someone try an old CXL cap on the Ceramo to see if it screeches?
My bet is that since the fins aren’t 100% flush against the body you end up with a resonating surface for those magnetic vibrations… ceramic or not.
SlickHenry
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You are totally right. No screeching with the old camo cap that came with my CXL when used on the Ceramo XL. Looking at the two caps side by side there is a definite difference in appearance too.
The newer cap is on the right. As you can see there is some discolouration and markings despite only heating with the wand. Makes me think it is lesser quality.
Edit: just cooking on my induction hob and when turned up to max in makes the same screeching sound. It‘s a strange phenomenon.
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My OG CXL cap does not screech.. have yet to try the new cap on the wand.. only been torching. My guess is it's some sort of resonance/harmonic frequency that is being hit perfectly from the wand coils magnetic field. Is it 100% coming from the cap and not the wand itself? resonating the ceramic or the metal cap? I read touch the cap to one of the sides of the glass in the wand and it will stop when heating. they may have skimped on metals used in this batch or just this anomaly interaction of the metal in cap with ceramic was unknown until it was out in the wild... will test in a bit.