Camouflet Ceramo XL

[TedJones]

I wonder how feasible a ceramic spiral insert would be to make & make fit. That’s what I’d like to see. The balls are an interesting idea (especially heating beneath the bowl!) But wonder how much restriction they’ll have like SlickHenry mentioned. They do look fairly big on the website next to the stems. 3.5 or bigger, maybe? The MP will add to that pull too. Better than getting hot vapor & particles directly in the mouth though imo

 

[TigoleBitties]

I wonder how feasible a ceramic spiral insert would be to make & make fit. That’s what I’d like to see. The balls are an interesting idea (especially heating beneath the bowl!) But wonder how much restriction they’ll have like SlickHenry mentioned. They do look fairly big on the website next to the stems. 3.5 or bigger, maybe? The MP will add to that pull too. Better than getting hot vapor & particles directly in the mouth though imo

I agree it needs better cooling to hit it natively. Right now I'm wondering what would be better... I was thinking some cooling beads (maybe 4mm?) with the ceramic mouthpiece OR the quad-bore ceramic condenser from Camouflet. Your spiral idea would be cool to try too.

I just had my best session with it using it as a WPA on dry glass. 14 flashes of the Wand for the initial heat and then 10 flash re-heats. I had a nice, even caramel colored roast all the way through after 3 heat cycles. Thick and tasty hits that reminded me of the volume I'd normally get with the Tornado.

 

[Eloh]

Did the condenser help or hinder the cooling of the ceramic stem alone in your opinion?

it helps a little with cooling.
but i did order the mouthpiece now, wich i feel should've been a bundle with the ceramo in the first place... (unnecessary shipping costs)
I do like the ceramo, the overall feel is nice and it hits hard and efficiently on glass, but it's not optimal as a standalone without additional cooling, as expected.
Like someone mentioned, the mouthpiece with cooling beads will make it similar to a vaphit x made out of zirconia wich is a good thing imo...

 

[zeebudz]

This should have been included in the ceramo package... or the ceramo should have been listed as a wpa. It's too hot to be used natively without additional cooling.

My CXL does everything this does and more. I think as is, the ceramo is incomplete.

Unfortunately I dont think it plays a part in the collection and will probably be leaving me soon .

I also feel that all the convectors should be in one thread. They all appear pretty similar. It's like putting a new thread for every DV that's released. Although it is good for sifting through info and good marketing .

Never liked the CXL stem, and only use it as a wpa. I prefer the look & feel of the Ceramo stem and integrated bowl with no tip o-rings. Especially like that they "fixed" things with an 8mm ID that can now accept standard tips & tip/condenser combos. I do hit it natively and it gets hot after a bowl, it would have been nice to include a simple tip. (I am not interested in filling it with balls.)

Agree that there is no reason to have separate threads for the Ceramo, essentially the same device as the Convector XL. ALL the different Dynavaps are under one thread., including Hyperdyn. (Edit: I sent a request to the moderators to do so.)

 

[budski]

I get that the beads do their job, but I've used them for cooling in tm2 stems, vaphit x, and xmax. I personally hate cleaning my balls, sooo much easier to clean a spiral with a piece of paper towel n iso. steel beads behind the screen to adsorb heat up against glass/carbon beads to dissipate heat seems counter intuitive for a cool stem. I won't be using them. small beads = restrictive draw, good for slowing too much convection.

 

[TigoleBitties]

I get that the beads do their job, but I've used them for cooling in tm2 stems, vaphit x, and xmax. I personally hate cleaning my balls, sooo much easier to clean a spiral with a piece of paper towel n iso. steel beads behind the screen to adsorb heat up against glass/carbon beads to dissipate heat seems counter intuitive for a cool stem. I won't be using them. small beads = restrictive draw, good for slowing too much convection.

I just realized last night that I could use this glass intercooler (above) that's part of the DNA Glass Stem kit from Vaphit. I will try it natively when I'm more confident with my heating routine using the Wand.

 

[SlickHenry]

Personally I put my balls in a shot glass with a bit of iso. Then drain, rinse and dry in a piece of tissue or kitchen towel. Very quick clean.

Adding some heat to the post after the bowl made me think of the flower kettle. Not sure this is exactly how it would work.

I am losing a little of my initial enthusiasm too. I agree with a lot of the sentiments that the cooling should have been thought out more when launching the Ceramo. Having to order something else to use it natively does seem like it wasn't properly tested. The caps do not fit as well as on the CXL either, which is the better model in my opinion. Also the fingernails on the blackboard sounds when heating with induction isn't nice either.

I kind of regret buying it now and also ordering balls and mp, when I could have just kept using the pinner MP for cooling.

Agree the threads should probably be combined.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Personally I put my balls in a shot glass with a bit of iso. Then drain, rinse and dry in a piece of tissue or kitchen towel. Very quick clean.

Adding some heat to the post after the bowl made me think of the flower kettle. Not sure this is exactly how it would work.

I am losing a little of my initial enthusiasm too. I agree with a lot of the sentiments that the cooling should have been thought out more when launching the Ceramo. Having to order something else to use it natively does seem like it wasn't properly tested. The caps do not fit as well as on the CXL either, which is the better model in my opinion. Also the fingernails on the blackboard sounds when heating isn't nice either.

I kind of regret buying it now and also ordering balls and mp, when I could have just kept using the pinner MP for cooling.

Agree the threads should probably be combined.

I understand your regret. I'd probably feel the same if I already owned a CXL due to the overlap in functionality and the need for extra cooling with the Ceramo. I think I was fortunate on two fronts; I didn't already own a CXL and I was lucky enough to have a Vaphit intercooler that should work well if I want to use the Ceramo natively.

I still feel the Ceramo shines as a WPA but it should probably have been mentioned that it would need extra parts to work well natively.

 

[SlickHenry]

I just realized last night that I could use this glass intercooler (above) that's part of the DNA Glass Stem kit from Vaphit. I will try it natively when I'm more confident with my heating routine using the Wand.

Unfortunately it doesn't fit. I just tried mine and it is a little too wide to push in.

Assuming you are talking about this stem as I know there are several similarly named:

I would also be very careful using this as its really fragile. On the DNA stem it has a glass joint and is held in place by a clip.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Unfortunately it doesn't fit. I just tried mine and it is a little too narrow to push in.

Assuming you are talking about this stem as I know there are several similarly named:

I would also be very careful using this as its really fragile. On the DNA stem it has a glass joint and is held in place by a clip.

Yes, that's the one and yeah it's pretty fragile. Mine seemed to stay in place but I didn't try and force anything and I only tried it for a minute or so late last night. Does yours just fall right out because it's too loose?

 

[SlickHenry]

Yes, that's the one and yeah it's pretty fragile. Mine seemed to stay in place but I didn't try and force anything and I only tried it for a minute or so late last night. Does yours just fall right out because it's too loose?

Mine won't go all the way it. It gets to the last spiral and then I can't push it in anymore. I was very reluctant to push with any force for fear of breaking it.
I guess there is a bit of variation in the size or shape of the spirals. I am glad yours works though .

The Pinner works really well for me and gives enough cooling to comfortably use so will stick with that until my MP and balls arrive. At least I can also use the new MP on the CXL. It's not all bad.

 

[budski]

looks like the mp was designed to fit 8 and/or 9mm stem. like that, but I'd want to integrate a spiral so probably won't buy 1 right off.
maybe a spiral in zirc would be less fragile with similar properties?

 

[oddjobold]

Hey surprise 420!

Heres an essential accessory, your going to have to pay international shipping for again!

Not impressed. My Ceramo not even arrived yet.

 

[BlazeDis]

Hey surprise 420!

Heres an essential accessory, your going to have to pay international shipping for again!

Not impressed. My Ceramo not even arrived yet.

Totally agree we have to pay international shipping twice just to use the device natively this is just not cool at all .
What mouthpieces can I use with the Ceramo I cant get my old vape 510 drip tips to fit unfortunately machining isn’t superb on mine either

 

[hotmeals]

Totally agree we have to pay international shipping twice just to use the device natively this is just not cool at all .
What mouthpieces can I use with the Ceramo I cant get my old vape 510 drip tips to fit unfortunately machining isn’t superb on mine either

I've been thinking it would be kinda funny to use a Dynavap tip as a mouthpiece if you've got one to spare. Probably wouldn't do much cooling on its own though

 

[TigoleBitties]

So here's a shot of the Ceramo with the Vaphit intercooler. It did sometimes seem like the spiral wouldn't fit but with a bit of rotation while inserting, it fits to the point where the ground glass makes a nice seal. I haven't tried an o-ring yet but it doesn't fall out when upside-down and ultimately I suppose vapor condensation will hold it snug with a bit of resin.

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The glass piece is indeed super fragile so I'm going to treat this solution with kid gloves. I just tried a micro bowl of flower that only covered the screen and the cooling was so much better. I'm hoping this will be a viable solution for me when I want the native experience.

I've been thinking it would be kinda funny to use a Dynavap tip as a mouthpiece if you've got one to spare. Probably wouldn't do much cooling on its own though

I tried my Omni tip and yeah.... didn't cool much at all but it looked nice.

 

[oddjobold]

Looking on Reddit apparently the M7 tip works. So I guess any dynavap tip with o rings that hold it in place would work.

 

[Durbandream]

I got the Ceramo and it works great with a WPA, so I think that will be it's main use since that saves me the trouble of taking the cooling unit out of my CXL, and I think the flavor is a little better on the Ceramo.

My wand does pull on the cap and creates a high pitched noise when heating it, two things that should definitely be addressed.

 

[n0tu2]

Finally got the Ceramo.. had to use the tool to get the cap to fit good. The cap runs hotter on the Ceramo then the CXL. I think the ceramic doesn't pull the heat off it as fast as Titanium?

Cleaned it up and had to adjust my torch timings down. Still rockin' triple torch (2 of the 3 flames up on the tippy top, 1 flame between the tip and the laser welds) but -1 to -1.5 second from each go.. so like 7-7.5 seconds from cold watching for the flame color change while spinning to know I'm getting close.. 4 (5 if daring) second re-heats till finished. Very very slow even draw to start the hits..as soon as detect heat ramp up the draw slowly. no long heat ups and rips, only way I can do it native.. too hot otherwise without additional cooling.

Taste is a little better then CXL.. I like them both.. one thing to note is you can see dust and pieces of bud stuck to it more then on the metal, if that kinda stuff drives you nuts, lol. Rather it have come with a tube then the box (didn't need the lighter).. forgot to order one, it bounces around too much in the box. easy to just slip the tube in a pocket. Overall it's good even with its quirks. Haven't tried the wand yet so we will see if it screams in pain soon.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Haven't tried the wand yet so we will see if it screams in pain soon.

Oh it'll scream..... and it'll scream good.

 

[Con Rodeo]

I too am bummed about this device. Its my first analogue and after waiting a long time for it to ship I'm now finding out that its way too hot to hit natively. I dunno why they couldn't have at least added the ceramic cooling tube like on the CXL. Especially since now they are rolling out these cooling beads and mouthpiece.

Any recs for a cooler (besides the camouflet one?) + mouthpiece? I was thinking of TRWW pinner but looks like they are all sold out now.

 

[Cacahuates]

Mine didn't scream or turn...

I too am bummed about this device. Its my first analogue and after waiting a long time for it to ship I'm now finding out that its way too hot to hit natively. I dunno why they couldn't have at least added the ceramic cooling tube like on the CXL. Especially since now they are rolling out these cooling beads and mouthpiece.

Any recs for a cooler (besides the camouflet one?) + mouthpiece? I was thinking of TRWW pinner but looks like they are all sold out now.

Ah man I'm sorry for the let down dude. The CXL is great device and I jumped at the ceramo thinking it would be a great addition 🫠. It's good on water or my favorite, a j hook, but I prefer using devices natively.

The cxl is very versatile and it's a shame the ceramo isn't.

 

[Con Rodeo]

Mine didn't scream or turn...

Ah man I'm sorry for the let down dude. The CXL is great device and I jumped at the ceramo thinking it would be a great addition 🫠. It's good on water or my favorite, a j hook, but I prefer using devices natively.

The cxl is very versatile and it's a shame the ceramo isn't.

No worries, luckily I’ve got some great glass to cool it. But the whole point of getting this for me was to have a simpler setup and something fun to just sip and hit natively while I chill on the patio.

You think it’s worth selling and getting a CXL or should I just try adding an intercooler?

 

[TigoleBitties]

No worries, luckily I’ve got some great glass to cool it. But the whole point of getting this for me was to have a simpler setup and something fun to just sip and hit natively while I chill on the patio.

You think it’s worth selling and getting a CXL or should I just try adding an intercooler?

Adding an intercooler worked well for me. Have a look a few posts up.

 

[Cacahuates]

No worries, luckily I’ve got some great glass to cool it. But the whole point of getting this for me was to have a simpler setup and something fun to just sip and hit natively while I chill on the patio.

You think it’s worth selling and getting a CXL or should I just try adding an intercooler?

That's a tough one... I think there maybe a wait until there is an intercooler solution. The cxl intercooler maybe be tricky to get in/out without some tools because the head is attached. Unless you want to take the screen out?
That ball option looks brutal... but maybe it works and it's tested.

If you really like it on a water piece I'd keep it and then get a cxl down the road, if I realy liked it! It's hard to recommend vapes.

I love the cxl. Once you dial it in (not hard) it's smooth big tasty hit town. Vapes are super subjective and very use case by case based. I want a big nasty ballvape and water pipe but that doesn't work for me at this point and time. I need small footprint, easy come and easy go. Quick, big, cool, tasty hits.

Maybe these latest pre-orders work for some, but they were anticlimactic for me. Moving forward I'll be very hesitant to jump on any future products from Camo without waiting to see how they play out.