Athlete Vaporists?

[Siebter]

@His_Highness – Oh wow, coyotes, bobcats, deers... Berlin wildlife is a bit more low key. I mentioned foxes a few weeks ago (who often appear totally unexpectedly because they are pretty brave and curious). Recently I had a course at the Spree (= the biggest river in Berlin) that was extremely nice, but also very dark, so I decided to run the same course again the next day with a head torch. Boy, that was quite a surprise when I found out how many *bats* were living there. They are a bit frightening because they love to fly at you at high speed and dodge only at the very last moment. :-) I had no idea!

 

[WisePenny]

I also like to do loops or squares when I am running, so that I can adjust by making it a smaller or larger loop depending on how I am feeling. So far I've avoided being too far out when I run out of steam.

 

[Siebter]

So far I've avoided being too far out when I run out of steam.

And it's wise to do so („username checks out“ :-) ). *Although* I must say that getting lost (as in „actually getting lost“) can be an interesting task to master. The breadcrumb navigation I use is super useful, but it's also limited because it doesn't show any maps or stuff. So sometimes, about once or twice a month, I have this „oh oh“ moment where I realize that I didn't pay attention for too long, often when not having any nutrition with me and finding my soft flask empty. Seriously, that builds character, because you can not give up, you have no other choice but to accept that it's going to be a long way home and panicking will use up your resources even more. And you have no idea how long it will take to get back to known territory. Usually I'll end up having to add only 4 or 5 kilometers to what I planned to run (which unless I follow a planned course is a very rough number anyway), but pushing through that moment of acceptance of the unknown is... existencial. In a good way.

That way I did my first half marathon too. Didn't plan to do one that day at all. :-)

 

[CANtalk]

I normally go up to a hill pass with some different paths to choose to come back.
These are 9, 13 & 16 km routes and I choose it according to how I feel when I get the spot. Sometimes I expected one training and switch plan at the top, not always adding mileage.
A cheap gps with bpm data keeps me slow enough to get the distances, I tend to run faster if forget at home and need to go by feel (maybe a sativa-related issue).

My trails are a similarly modular setup. Very nice for variety and choosing mileage on the fly. Cheers .

Nice to see so many people here! I'm still getting out exercising as well . I did a second ~40 mile MTB trip to see the fall colors early last week . I wasn't as crazy tired at the end, but I was really spent still. I slept 11 hrs the second night after, w/ tons of dreams. And I made it out on Saturday again and did a 17 mile MTB trail loop with the #1 & #2 difficult trails in the area (split up this time). In fact, I got a PB on the cardio killer trail, only stopping for ~ 20 seconds once and not walking a single climb. And I never stopped after that, other than for taking a few pictures. 101 minutes moving time. I felt good and I had pretty good power, strength and endurance. I completed a few of the most technical features as well on the ride which have often bamboozled me. After the MTB ride yesterday, I vaped some sativas and the combo runner's high and cannabis high was again amazing. Got quite high last night and held off trying to post until to today (Sunday). My exercise has been excellent here and I hope it's going well for everyone here.

Though while all this MTB exercising has been great, I'm feeling pretty run down too. It's the end of season rush and I'm sure I'm over-exercising some. No significant issues so far at least and timing seems good. I plan to get out on the MTB tomorrow, and if I'm lucky once more at the end of the week. Then that looks to be it.

Been eating lots to recover and fuel up as well. Meat, pasta, rice, vegetables, a few slush drinks , etc.

Goodly high at this time, so sorry for any spelling/grammar issues .

Get out there exercising, cheers and have a nice Sunday night

 

[GetLeft]

You all make visiting FC more fun

Loops and extensions etc. indeed make for maximum fun / training options. Variety is the spice of life!

Northeastern PA has been beatuiful the past couple of days. Perfect riding weather (low to mid 60s), sunshine, impeccable trail conditions (the moisture of last week's rain has been wicked away and left firm conditions). Yeterday and today I was fortunate enough to get out for rides 6 and 7 of my fall reboot. Nothing exciting on the trails today but yesterday ran into a mixed group of turkeys and guineafowl. Absolutely wild and beautiful. Had some young deer stuck inside my backyard today. Hunting season has the wildlife on the move and out of their comfort zones.

Ride 6:

Ride 7:

 

[CANtalk]

Sounds and looks great @GetLeft! Lots of elevation gain and effort there.



I managed to get out on the MTB for another ride today. It was way warmer than normal here and got out in great 68-72 F temps. I sought out all the good local single track trails over the trip, including the top two difficult trails in the area (split up) and felt good enough to extend the ride distance/time, since the season is almost over here. I ended up getting out for ~24 miles in ~140 minutes.

I hadn't recovered my all my earlier exercise, so I took my rhythm/pace down a bit and it really helped make the trip more enjoyable. Before long, I noticed I didn't have much power in reserve... and both quads were tired, and especially the one on my dominant side. Later, I could feel my old core body muscle issue nagging me a bit, so I adjusted my pedal effort around that. Still, other than stopping to give some peanuts to local squirrels here and there and taking a few pictures, I didn't stop any more times on the trail ride. And the trip was excellent. I also felt strong enough to go for all the technical features (rock gardens X2, skinny's, etc.) and was 100% successful... a good bonus.

I tallied up my recent MTB trail rides... a little over 130 miles in 5 trips in the last 11 days . Well, hopefully on to the next soon and one or two more nice days.

Cheers and I hope everyone is enjoying some exercise.

 

[WisePenny]

Nice cool and sunny long weekend here. I enjoyed getting out for a couple shorter runs (relatively speaking) - 8 and 11 kms and taking in the autumn weather. I am not looking for the inevitable bundling up that will soon be necessary.

 

[Siebter]

The weather is still absolutely perfect here in the old world. On the cooler site of things, sometimes even quite crisp, yet warm enough to be able to still use summer gear. Love it. Had my fastest HM(+) in quite a while last Sunday, 23.58km or 14.652 miles in 1:44:47 at a 4:27min/km pace (or 7:10min per mile) – I wasn't even going for anything superspeedy that day. :-)

@GetLeft – Great effort! However, one thing that makes me wonder is your zone times; being in zone 4 and 5 for the majority of your exercise seems a bit off. Usually zone 4 is perceived as a pretty hard effort already and zone 5 can be held for only a very short time span, certainly not for more than half the time within a one hour or so ride. I'd suggest to look a bit deeper in your Garmin settings, esp. your HR settings because otherwise the Garmin ecosystem will assume that you overtrain all the time and will not be able to give you helpful metrics. I also suppose that you monitor your beats via your watch; wrist based HR monitoring works well during the day or while we sleep, but the movements during an exercise make it hard to get exact numbers, often enough they are totally off. I recommend looking into HR monitoring straps or optical monitors you can wear on your forearm or biceps (=less movements, more accuracy).

 

[GetLeft]

@Siebter thank you for looking at that data! Much appreciated!
The device gives all kinds of data. A single set doesn't tell much. Does this chart help clarify the previous charts? The amount of time in zones 4 and 5 are spread out over the course of the hour:



I haven't dug into the device to make sure the settings are perfect, but ball park is ok for me. These numbers seem to correspond to the numbers I get on the aerobic machines I do at my local gym. I'll check my device settings to make sure. Thanks for the heads up.

The trails underneath this data are not the average mtb trails. They are pretty darn demanding. When I'm in decent condition, I can ride them somewhat comfortably for 1.5 hrs. (that's what I'm working toward before I shut down for the season due to cold weather). That 1.5 hrs. equates generally to 3 hrs. on more typcial mtb trails. Soon I'll be heading down to some of my favorite trails in Southeast PA. Down there, I get more time in the saddle, more miles, higher speeds, and lower heart rates. Here's some data I have form a ride there August of 2021 (I'm overdue!):



Anyway the device has been fun for me so far. Before I had it, how far and how long my rides were was all guess work, not to mention the other stuff this thing tracks.

Outdoors in Autumn. A beautiful thing.

 

[Siebter]

I haven't dug into the device to make sure the settings are perfect, but ball park is ok for me. These numbers seem to correspond to the numbers I get on the aerobic machines I do at my local gym. I'll check my device settings to make sure. Thanks for the heads up.

So the numbers itself are not even the issue here, but how your heart rate zones are set up. I'm not even sure how Garmin creates a default, probably by looking at age, weight etc., but either way, at one point we have to tell the device what our max and resting heart rates are – because these numbers are very individual and are affected by many parameters that can not just be guessed. Your last data sheet looks a bit more realistic, but ride 6 and 7 would have killed you if the zones were correct. :-)

I'm not sure if you use the app on your cellphone or the web app on your computer, but in either event you'll find your HR zones in your „device settings“ → „user settings“. I recommend using „HR reserve“ to let Garmin calculate your zones, for that you'll need your average resting heart rate (see heart rate summary charts in the app, you should wear your watch during your sleep because that's usually when our heart beats the slowest) and your max heart rate, which is how high your heart can beat during an exercise – so the absolute max you can go while still being able to get home afterwards without having to call an ambulance. I recommend long, steep hills. :-) Just try to max out your beats and then try some more, that should give you a number Garmin can work with and then will give you an even better idea where you're at.

Outdoors in Autumn. A beautiful thing.

Very true.

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Had a good run yesterday, my fastest 10 miler yet: 1:08:58h, 4:17min/km or 6:54min/mile pace, that's five seconds faster per kilometer than my previous PR. Was also my fastest 10k run, 42:47min. HR was surprisingly low at ⌀150 bpm, wasn't even going into zone 4 at all. I had exceptionally good sleep for the last few days and an almost 10 hour sleepsesh the night before yesterdays run, I'm pretty sure that affected my fitness a lot. That and the fact that being outdoors in autumn is just a very beautiful thing.

 

[Green420]

I work out 5 times a week, and do a 13 mile run (half marathon) 2 out of every 3 weeks. I vaporize dry herb through glass water pipes, cbd hemp during the week days, and a mixture cbd hemp and thc cannabis on the weekends. I've only intentionally smoked cannabis on extremely rare occasions, and I suppose when I accidentally overheat my dynavap.

Some new information about the effects of vaping on the lungs from a Stanford professor is making me consider just vaping on the weekends or quitting entirely.

 

[GoldenBud]

Some new information about the effects of vaping on the lungs from a Stanford professor is making me consider just vaping on the weekends or quitting entirely.

when he's talking about vaping, it's not vaporization, i think, it's like you have cartridge that is liquid and has 80% or more of THC
if you vaporize buds, each bud contain max 30% or 35% including terpenes, and ofcourse it's not ideal for the body, i mean the temperature of your body is way less than vaporizing temp, and our lungs are built to inhale air, not thc/cbd etc'

THC mimics Anadamide, and that's why it's addictive comparing to CBD and also can increase anxiety as he said. i think CBD is fine if you don't over use it. yes CBD bind CB1 and CB2 but not in the same way THC does.
temp of smoking is 1300F, while vaporization is 465F max, so it's much healthier anyway. he doesn't speak about the differences between THC and CBD, and about temperatures. find a better research/vid

 

[WisePenny]

Despite being a Stanford professor, he doesn't sound like the greatest source, from what I know of him.

 

[GoldenBud]

I can't take serious somebody that doesn't explain the difference between CBD and THC or not speaking about the temperatues differences vaporization vs smoking etc', I want my 10 minutes back

 

[DrJynx86]

Huberman talks like a magic pill salesman, he will say take 600 mg of garlic, 500 mg of this unknown plant, 1000 mg of this other thing, he might throw some human growth hormone or testosterone in the mix, and then say well that might cause some cardiac issues, take this other herb 500mg a day, I think anyone following his advice would be taking dozens of pills and supplements every day...

He probably just talks to the gym freaks that would do anything for one more rep or 1% less body fat.

 

[His_Highness]

I would have been open to looking into some of the possibilities in the Huberman video because many of them sounded plausible, well thought out/intentioned, interesting and he stated that there are benefits for things like chemo he'll do a video for in the future. So it sounded even handed......but the more I listened the more I got that "what is he selling" feeling and I'm just too tired of having to look for the hidden reason for things like what I felt in this video.

I got that Dr. Oz selling snake oil vibe .......

 

[Dustin McKief]

My view is that the body of research on cannabis effects is too small for anyone to draw useful conclusions. Hopefully decriminalization and legalization will continue to the point where large, placebo-controlled, double-blind studies become possible. Conversely, there are many claims of both THC & CBD benefits out there without empirical studies to back them up either.

@Green420 , I don't see a citation in that video's comments with regard to his comments beginning at 2:07 on the negative effects of smoking/vaping on lung function and epithelia. Are you experiencing any of the symptoms that he attributes to vaping?

 

[Green420]

@Green420 , I don't see a citation in that video's comments with regard to his comments beginning at 2:07 on the negative effects of smoking/vaping on lung function and epithelia. Are you experiencing any of the symptoms that he attributes to vaping?

Perhaps decreased sexual drive. But none other that I can think of. I was referring specifically to the part of the video where he's talking about endothelial cells. I time stamped the part of the video I was intending to show.

 

[florduh]

Perhaps decreased sexual drive. But none other that I can think of. I was referring specifically to the part of the video where he's talking about endothelial cells. I time stamped the part of the video I was intending to show.

No, @stoic is asking for a citation to a published study backing up what this Huberman guy is saying. The only "citation" he seems to reference is his own video about vaping nicotine.

Huberman conflates vaping nicotine with vaping cannabis. He also conflates vaping tobacco with e-juice vaping. The guy seems incredibly confused by this entire topic. Between that and his insane bit where he does "vocal phrenology" in an attempt to prove "stoner voice" is a real thing, I don't know why we should take him seriously on this or any other topic.

Obviously breathing in anything other than pure mountain air is risky. But he's claiming vaping herb or dabbing is causing permanent damage to the endothelial tissues and putting users at an increased risk of stroke. Big fuckin "citation needed" on that besides the magic supplement salesman saying "trust me, bro".

 

[Green420]

No, @stoic is asking for a citation to a published study backing up what this Huberman guy is saying. The only "citation" he seems to reference is his own video about vaping nicotine.

Huberman conflates vaping nicotine with vaping cannabis. He also conflates vaping tobacco with e-juice vaping. The guy seems incredibly confused by this entire topic. Between that and his insane bit where he does "vocal phrenology" in an attempt to prove "stoner voice" is a real thing, I don't know why we should take him seriously on this or any other topic.

Obviously breathing in anything other than pure mountain air is risky. But he's claiming vaping herb or dabbing is causing permanent damage to the endothelial tissues and putting users at an increased risk of stroke. Big fuckin "citation needed" on that besides the magic supplement salesman saying "trust me, bro".

I understand your skepticism, it is still a startling claim which I think should be taken seriously until proven false. I also simply don't have citations for stoic, I am not a biologist.

 

[WisePenny]

There's quite a bit of criticism of him, here's just a quick taste.

 

[florduh]

I understand your skepticism, it is still a startling claim which I think should be taken seriously until proven false. I also simply don't have citations for stoic, I am not a biologist.

Fox News hosts also make startling claims about cannabis. Like it launches users into a murderous rampage. Should I take that claim seriously until proven otherwise?

I'm sorry, but that's not how science or life in general works.

I sympathize with wanting good science done on herb vaporization and dabbing. But this guy doesn't understand the difference between vaping e-juice, vaping loose leaf tobacco, herb vaping, or dabbing. His startling claims on this topic are pretty worthless.

 

[GoldenBud]

to understand how vaporization affect our lungs/blood vessels, some old vaporist needs to give a permission that researchers will analyze his lungs after his death....somebody that vaporized for few years etc'.... need to see how much THC/Terpenes etc' left there.....

 

[Green420]

Fox News hosts also make startling claims about cannabis. Like it launches users into a murderous rampage. Should I take that claim seriously until proven otherwise?

I'm sorry, but that's not how science or life in general works.

I sympathize with wanting good science done on herb vaporization and dabbing. But this guy doesn't understand the difference between vaping e-juice, vaping loose leaf tobacco, herb vaping, or dabbing. His startling claims on this topic are pretty worthless.

He's not exactly a fox host... I suppose I do need a citation for the claim he made though. He has a longer video on vaping coming out soon though.

 

[GoldenBud]

He's not exactly a fox host... I suppose I do need a citation for the claim he made though. He has a longer video on vaping coming out soon though.

you understand that because THC is psychoactive substance that mimics the Anandamide and CBD is not psychoactive hence way less dangerous and this guy in the video just ignores this fact? need to find another researcher