dry vapor reduces oxygen uptake in the lungs

[youandyamanz]

after smoking weed for almost 30 years i recently bought a vape which i had been using for about 2 months. however, my problems with vaping were as plain as day from the first time i tried it (pre-exercise, read on) and i did not want to accept it but i eventually had to listen to what my body was telling me and return to smoking cannabis. i really did enjoy the vape high also ; (

i became an endurance athlete in the course of less than a year in 2019/2020, and every time i exercise i smoke a small amount of weed first (i also smoke weed other times of day, particularly after exercise to repair/rest). the vape i got was a grindhouse shift, and i used it as intended and kept it clean

from the first time i tried to vape before exercise, and every time after that, it was immediately clear to me that it was shutting my lung function down and i all of a sudden was clawing my way through my exercise routines, my body very subtly did not get enough oxygen and towards the middle of the routine felt almost in pain due to lack of oxygen. switching back to smoking before exercise solved this. and as much as i wanted to like vaping, every time it was the same result, my body was so out of oxygen mid-routine it was borderline painful to try to pull through. it was subtle, as in no panting or wheezing or mucus, but the struggle to get enough energy was brutal

the other times i vaped during the day also left me slightly struggling to breath thereafter. there was no mucus production from vaping, which is a mistake to have thought was a good thing, because when i smoke i breath much clearer after, and my mucus is functioning healthily, bringing things up from my lungs

no matter how much i tried to tell people on vapor reddit, i was laughed at and down voted and eventually kicked off. there are also a few threads here about it but they are 10 plus years ago

my wish is they develop a vape that can infuse the vapor with a large amount of humidity, enough to counter this problem, but this seems a ways off if it is even possible. vaping is still a new technology that we don't have enough life-long vapers to study yet, but what i have read says the cilia damaged by the dry vapor(?) will grow back if vaping is stopped, and should take a few weeks, thank goodness

 

[guyonthecouch]

Interesting observation, I'm sure it's accurate in some ways and can also be subjective to the user, material consumed and/or the device used. I'm sure all of the above play a roll on some level.

Have you tested out your results with any other devices using the same material? Or tried using the same device with other varieties and/or sources?

Have you tried running your vape through a water piece? Try using warm water to maximize moisture content.

 

[florduh]

my wish is they develop a vape that can infuse the vapor with a large amount of humidity, enough to counter this problem

They already did. It's called a bong.

Also, isn't it possible your exercise challenges were simply caused by THC? I'll lift with a hit or two in me. My heart rate is always higher than it is while exercising sober. I've seen studies demonstrating THC is more efficiently delivered by vaping than combustion.

 

[maremaresing]

IIRC this guy thinks smoke specifically has healthful compounds in it that you don't get from just extracting the thc/cbd/whatnot with heat.

No, he can't tell you what those compounds are or what they might do.

 

[florduh]

IIRC this guy thinks smoke specifically has healthful compounds in it that you don't get from just extracting the thc/cbd/whatnot with heat.

No, he can't tell you what those compounds are or what they might do.

Even if that's true, getting to those healthful compounds will always involve also imbibing remarkably unhealthful compounds in the process. This is true with high temp vaping and even more true with combustion.

 

[Franco]

I don't really mean any disrespect for the OP and I don't want to break the Be nice rule, but this really feels like trolling
I mean, you come to a bunch of vape enthusiasts to say how good for your health smoking is?
Cool

 

[florduh]

Also... the "cherry" on a joint or pipe is producing a great deal of "unhealthy" vapor along with that "super healthy" smoke.

 

[maremaresing]

Also... the "cherry" on a joint or pipe is producing a great deal of "unhealthy" vapor along with that "super healthy" smoke.

I literally tried to explain this to them but they were having none of it. The cherry is producing the healthy smoke u c and weed is magic that doesn't vape from heat from the cherry. Only burns or vaporizes, and never in the same instance. And the burning part is the healthy part.

What a world.

 

[Farid]

^I was about to say this. Any time you smoke the bud next to the cherry is heated and produces vapor.

It's the reason smoking still gets you high. If it was instantaneous complete combustion the THC would be destroyed, and you wouldn't really get high.

 

[JEMSKU]

You can't make claims that fly in the face of conventional knowledge without providing evidence. Don't make claims about blood oxygenation unless you've measured it with a pulse oximeter. Hypoxic effects generally aren't what you expect, it's subtle as the human body doesn't detect and send messages about oxygenation as well as it does for example carbon dioxide levels. That's why you're being laughed out of forums, because you don't have the evidence nor the medical knowledge to back you up.

Couple other points:
1. The presence of mucous indicates only that there is a foreign substance in your lungs that the body is trying to expel. Smoke particles, in other words. The absence of mucous does NOT indicate poor lung health.
2. I don't know about the data showing that vapor is damaging lung cilia, but smoking certainly is as well and I can only assume it's worse because of the toxic compounds.
3. You've made an assumption in connecting the feeling you get during exercise to the state of your lungs and oxygenation. Why is it your lungs? Could it be a blood pressure/perfusion issue instead? Could vaporization be releasing compounds that are typically destroyed in combustion, that affect your body in non-typical ways? Could it be placebo?

The lesson from your experience is not that smoking is healthier, it is that smoking results in better workouts compared to vaping for you. The reasons for this cannot be claimed with any certainty.

 

[vapirtoo]

As other members have already stated, you have shared some interesting personal observations that are very different
from what most athletic vapers experience. If you really want us to sort you out, you have to give us
more info. What kind of vape? What is your age? How often do you exercise?
My quick solution would be warm water water filtration, bong, bubbler, DIY.
Get creative!

 

[BrianTL]

Yeah... I'm just not buying it. There's a very slim chance IMO that smoking offers any health benefits that vaporizing doesn't, or that vaporizing is somehow less healthy than smoking.

I hope OP didn't buy a cheap chinese knock off vape, because I wouldn't be surprised to hear about difficulty breathing after using one of those things. Edit - just re read and saw a grindhouse shift, never heard of it personally but don't know if its any good or bad.

There's also an entire thread of people with opposing experiences:

Athlete Vaporists?

High Everyone! I'm an avid endurance athlete--triathlons, endurance runs/challenges and the like. Not pro, just a hard-core amateur. I've often wondered if there are any others out there like me--serious endurance athletes that also get baked regularly. I've never had the forum to ask, until now...

fuckcombustion.com

 

[Kins]

Yeah... I'm just not buying it. There's a very slim chance IMO that smoking offers any health benefits that vaporizing doesn't, or that vaporizing is somehow less healthy than smoking.

I hope OP didn't buy a cheap chinese knock off vape, because I wouldn't be surprised to hear about difficulty breathing after using one of those things.

There's also an entire thread of people with opposing experiences:

Athlete Vaporists?

High Everyone! I'm an avid endurance athlete--triathlons, endurance runs/challenges and the like. Not pro, just a hard-core amateur. I've often wondered if there are any others out there like me--serious endurance athletes that also get baked regularly. I've never had the forum to ask, until now...

fuckcombustion.com

You've also got to remember vaping hasn't been around that long. People that vape like us here are the Guinea pigs. It hasn't been around long enough to be PROVEN safe. With some of the electronic devices around vaporists have to be careful of inhaling off-gasses from printed circuit boards, and not to mention aluminum, and certain plastics, anything in the vapor path really. As for an entire thread with people with opposing opinions, that happens all the time in life. It doesn't really prove anything.

 

[His_Highness]

I smoked gretts from age 20 to 40, smoked herb beginning at around 16 and never stopped using herb, or did any real downtime. I fucked combustion a little more than 5-6 years ago. I'm in my 60's now.

I always get high just before and right after exercising......I run short and long distances and weight train. Took up running when I put down the gretts. When I gave up the gretts but was still smoking herb I would get asthma attacks and I never had them before even when I smoked gretts. Long story short..... Just vaping for the last 5-6 years and I don't wheeze, no more asthma and my o2 levels average around 95. My beats per minute - resting rate is around 45.

I could tell the difference between combusting herb and vaping it within a month or so after finding vaporizing. So much better to vape. I thought smoking herb caused tar to form?

I started with the MFLB, used it for months and loved it but now the MFLB causes me to have some irritation and none of my other vapes do.

Maybe the OP is having issues similar to what the MFLB did for me but one thing I'm sure of....for me vaping is a big step up health wise.

 

[BrianTL]

You've also got to remember vaping hasn't been around that long. People that vape like us here are the Guinea pigs. It hasn't been around long enough to be PROVEN safe. With some of the electronic devices around vaporists have to be careful of inhaling off-gasses from printed circuit boards, and not to mention aluminum, and certain plastics, anything in the vapor path really. As for an entire thread with people with opposing opinions, that happens all the time in life. It doesn't really prove anything.

No, it hasn't been around as long as smoking by any means - but the concept of vaporization has been around for quite a while. Maybe not a lifetime, but it's been around for idk what, 25 years? Long enough to get a general understanding.

I didn't say that its PROVEN safe, but just imo there's a very slim chance that it is worse for you than smoking.

Sure a random internet thread doesn't prove anything scientifically, but really if that's how we're going to look at this, might as well just dismiss everything we read here.

 

[vapirtoo]

Yo! His highness!
A resting heart rate of around 45 bpm and you are over 60 years old!?
That shit is outstanding as a resting bpm of under 60bpm is considered great
for us older folks.
World class athletes are around 40-45.
I vape everyday and vigorously bike ride 20 plus miles at least 3 times a week,
and my resting bpm varies around 57-63.
Any kind of vaping makes my lungs wet as hell with lots of phlegm. (anti-dry rasp)

 

[invertedisdead]

Vaporizing has been around longer than people think.

For example, the Rastas use the steam chalice - the closest modern equivelant would probably be the Okin vaporizer.

Also as @Farid said, vaporization is still occuring during combustion.

Most ancient cultures used hashish, which is much more likely to vaporize, or achieve more vapor than flower, as much of the lower temp combustible plant material has been removed.

 

[His_Highness]

Yo! His highness!
A resting heart rate of around 45 bpm and you are over 60 years old!?
That shit is outstanding as a resting bpm of under 60bpm is considered great
for us older folks.
World class athletes are around 40-45.
I vape everyday and vigorously bike ride 20 plus miles at least 3 times a week,
and my resting bpm varies around 57-63.
Any kind of vaping makes my lungs wet as hell with lots of phlegm. (anti-dry rasp)

I haven't got the balls to ride a bike with a good high. If I get into the zone I tend to lose track of my surroundings which can be good for running ... but not so much on a bike.

Resting heart rate has been this way since about a year after I gave up the gretts and took up running. Before that my chest hurt occasionally and my heart beat erratically at times. A doctor told me I have a slightly larger heart and that could be a bad thing.

I used to joke that learning to run was no big deal....it hurt my lungs and made me gasp for air....the same as gretts had been doing for decades so I was already prepared

My bpm gives my doctors and nurses fits because the bpm doesn't line up with my blood pressure which is on the upper end of normal.

Do you get high as part of your exercise ritual? I do...it's part of my warm up routine....for each stretch I take a hit and have my headphones on. By the time I finish stretching I'm toasted, loose and got a case of happy feet. Now it's time to meld the herb high with the runner's high. About 10 to 15 minutes in those highs combine and I'm dancing not running.

I don't know why I don't get that wet phlegm some do from vaping. Who knows..maybe all those gretts and joints over the years has conditioned my lungs in some weird way.

I can't see how smoking herb could possibly be healthier feeling than vaping.....but I guess it's possible for the human body to acclimate to something bad and when given something good in its place it reacts allergically or feels like it's trying to rebel.

 

[howie105]

after smoking weed for almost 30 years i recently bought a vape which i had been using for about 2 months. however, my problems with vaping were as plain as day from the first time i tried it (pre-exercise, read on) and i did not want to accept it but i eventually had to listen to what my body was telling me and return to smoking cannabis. i really did enjoy the vape high also ; (

i became an endurance athlete in the course of less than a year in 2019/2020, and every time i exercise i smoke a small amount of weed first (i also smoke weed other times of day, particularly after exercise to repair/rest). the vape i got was a grindhouse shift, and i used it as intended and kept it clean

from the first time i tried to vape before exercise, and every time after that, it was immediately clear to me that it was shutting my lung function down and i all of a sudden was clawing my way through my exercise routines, my body very subtly did not get enough oxygen and towards the middle of the routine felt almost in pain due to lack of oxygen. switching back to smoking before exercise solved this. and as much as i wanted to like vaping, every time it was the same result, my body was so out of oxygen mid-routine it was borderline painful to try to pull through. it was subtle, as in no panting or wheezing or mucus, but the struggle to get enough energy was brutal

the other times i vaped during the day also left me slightly struggling to breath thereafter. there was no mucus production from vaping, which is a mistake to have thought was a good thing, because when i smoke i breath much clearer after, and my mucus is functioning healthily, bringing things up from my lungs

no matter how much i tried to tell people on vapor reddit, i was laughed at and down voted and eventually kicked off. there are also a few threads here about it but they are 10 plus years ago

my wish is they develop a vape that can infuse the vapor with a large amount of humidity, enough to counter this problem, but this seems a ways off if it is even possible. vaping is still a new technology that we don't have enough life-long vapers to study yet, but what i have read says the cilia damaged by the dry vapor(?) will grow back if vaping is stopped, and should take a few weeks, thank goodness

Arrange for a series of blood oxygen tests, the screening tests are quick and cheap and once you get the results you and your physician will have a much better handle on what is going on.

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[Deecee]

after smoking weed for almost 30 years i recently bought a vape which i had been using for about 2 months. however, my problems with vaping were as plain as day from the first time i tried it (pre-exercise, read on) and i did not want to accept it but i eventually had to listen to what my body was telling me and return to smoking cannabis. i really did enjoy the vape high also ; (

i became an endurance athlete in the course of less than a year in 2019/2020, and every time i exercise i smoke a small amount of weed first (i also smoke weed other times of day, particularly after exercise to repair/rest). the vape i got was a grindhouse shift, and i used it as intended and kept it clean

from the first time i tried to vape before exercise, and every time after that, it was immediately clear to me that it was shutting my lung function down and i all of a sudden was clawing my way through my exercise routines, my body very subtly did not get enough oxygen and towards the middle of the routine felt almost in pain due to lack of oxygen. switching back to smoking before exercise solved this. and as much as i wanted to like vaping, every time it was the same result, my body was so out of oxygen mid-routine it was borderline painful to try to pull through. it was subtle, as in no panting or wheezing or mucus, but the struggle to get enough energy was brutal

the other times i vaped during the day also left me slightly struggling to breath thereafter. there was no mucus production from vaping, which is a mistake to have thought was a good thing, because when i smoke i breath much clearer after, and my mucus is functioning healthily, bringing things up from my lungs

no matter how much i tried to tell people on vapor reddit, i was laughed at and down voted and eventually kicked off. there are also a few threads here about it but they are 10 plus years ago

my wish is they develop a vape that can infuse the vapor with a large amount of humidity, enough to counter this problem, but this seems a ways off if it is even possible. vaping is still a new technology that we don't have enough life-long vapers to study yet, but what i have read says the cilia damaged by the dry vapor(?) will grow back if vaping is stopped, and should take a few weeks, thank goodness

You might have a health condition, my oxygen level is often higher after I vape.

THC is a bronchodilator meaning it opens the airways and increases oxygen.

You really need to see a DR I believe.

 

[Farid]

Vaporizing has been around longer than people think.

Indeed, excellent point about hashish.

In Afghanistan, where ancient practices have survived, they smoke huge marble sized balls of hash heated by coals placed on top. Basically like a hookah but with a bowl designed for hash instead of tobacco. There are some great videos of this on YouTube.

Similarly opium has been vaporized for centuries using ceramic bulb style pipes in conjunction with charcoal (Iranian/Afghan style) or oil lamps (Chinese style).

My guess is what you're experiencing has more to do with dosage. The same quantity of bud used in a vaporizer produces a larger volume of aerosol than the equivalent quantity of bud smoked. It's also going to result in stronger effects.

Try vaping 1/3 or 1/4 of what you'd usually smoke. My guess is that doing so may alleviate some of your negative symptoms that you are attributing to oxygen levels.

 

[Deecee]

Indeed, excellent point about hashish.

In Afghanistan, where ancient practices have survived, they smoke huge marble sized balls of hash heated by coals placed on top. Basically like a hookah but with a bowl designed for hash instead of tobacco. There are some great videos of this on YouTube.

Similarly opium has been vaporized for centuries using ceramic bulb style pipes in conjunction with charcoal (Iranian/Afghan style) or oil lamps (Chinese style).

My guess is what you're experiencing has more to do with dosage. The same quantity of bud used in a vaporizer produces a larger volume of aerosol than the equivalent quantity of bud smoked. It's also going to result in stronger effects.

Try vaping 1/3 or 1/4 of what you'd usually smoke. My guess is that doing so may alleviate some of your negative symptoms that you are attributing to oxygen levels.

Also you could buy an oximeter to be sure, amazon has them for around $20.

 

[vapirtoo]

hey folks great conversation, but the OP has not replied yet!? just saying.

 

[potatobass]

I remember when i stopped combustion (11years ago).
I indeed had difficulties breathing, but it didn't last more than a month.
I put this on the fact that my lungs was getting rid of all the "hashtray goo" build up.
You need to be consistent and not smoke a bit for a month or two before giving up.
Try to drink more water than usual in the process and enjoy the comeback of your tastebuds

PS: maybe get tested for covid as well.

 

[TiSteamo]

I just know that I've been much better since vaping and that's enough for me.
The only thing I have heard against vaporization is that often by vaporizing the high temperatures that allow the intake of all the anti-inflammatory flavonoids are not reached but, I repeat, this thesis is still to be verified.