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Twax flowerpot versus Sublimator

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Lookatmeglow, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Very well said bro, i'm so happy that you GET it :rockon: Who cares what the marketing or science is, as long as you and I understand that it's different from all other vapes for the most part. I would be able to detect this vapour in a blind taste test! lol It's just that smooth, tasty, and effective.... the size of the clouds are such surreal. I'm loving the Sup and Sub equally at this point, and have my eye on the Eliminator, which is like a Sup without a thermometer... but I just have to check it out!

    Now that i'm exploring the world of concentrates and enails.... now I have an Errlectric and flowerpot on the list for VAS too lol And add that to the Herborizer Ti! That errlectric herb nail looks awesome! Have you tried the "convection experience" with the Sup3 yet? Like with a glass bowl/screen and the Sup empty?
     
  2. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    ...and dont forget to list the D-Nail Lotus Flower Adapter in this row.

    Very interesting thread. My Sub experiences one year ago are the same, vaping on another level. I have nothing tried before or after that what's in it's league. Immediately growing big VAS!
    But now everywhere are similar looking devices as the called popping up. Is performance similar too?

    And what's about the new overworked Apollo 2.0 mini XLR in comparision to the old one?
    Faster heating? Better performance? Less sticky? Safer handling?
     
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  3. herbivore21

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    Biogasification is typically shorthand for biomass gasification in the scholarly literature man. This is about turning organic matter into various combustible 'producer gases'. These producer gases are used as fuel/energy sources. The producer gases are not things that we want to inhale at all and this process is not what the Sublimator does. This is a good thing. None of us who was looking for a vaporizer would want a product that instead took our cannabis and turned it into a combustible biogas fuel (namely because this is not going to transfer the preferred cannabis actives from the plant material into our bodies :lol: ). What was the name of this site again?

    As far as I can see it, Enrico's use of scientific sounding terms is marketing lingo with no relationship to the uses of these terms in the scholarly literature. This has been a major source of controversy around FC over the years, I seem to remember an infamously AVB'd thread on this one lol
     
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  4. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    That may be true, however I still maintain that the Sublimator (and supreme 3) can produce a different specific type of vapour that cannot be replicated in any of the other dozens of vapes i've ever tried. It's like dabbing flowers essentially, and it's the only way I roll now....between the Sublimator and Supreme, and an enail....everything else (including my Grasshoppers) are simply just lightweight toys to me.

    I also completely agree with the absorption through the mucosa membranes, I can definitely feel a major instant level of medication, especially because these vapes are so smooth, that it feels like I can hold the vape in my lungs and mouth forever.

    Still gotta put some time in and read the twax thread completely!
     
  5. Doktor Dub

    Doktor Dub Well-Known Member

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    @biohacker what you describe sounds pretty appealing to me...

    Do you think Herborizer TI / Twax / Errlectric Herbnail can have the same "special effect" or is there the line between "normal" Heavy-hitters and the "Flower-Dabbing" Devices?
     
  6. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    IMHO there is definitely a big line. I personally have not experienced flower dabs from any other vape than the SUB/SUP. I have owned the Herborizer (not Ti) and it's an amazing device, and the Ti is next up on my VAS, but it doesn't do what the SUB/SUP can do with this biogasification voodoo. All the other convection vapes are great, but they aren't at the "flower dab" level.

    Not sure on the herbnail because I haven't tried one but my feeling is no, it won't have that same effect.

    The SUPREME is EXTRA special in this aspect, because it can obliterate flower without grinding. I've done coarse grind in the Sub, and it was okay but I doubt it will do budlets like the supreme.

    It's definitely a good time to be alive!
     
  7. herbivore21

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    Ok, so I know what you are talking about man, I owned a sublimator too. The reason you get the huge clouds as far as I can see it, is the tight hole at the bottom of the atomizer changes the pressure flow and increases the volume of clouds to insane density. Any other vaporizer so designed can do this. IME, a good comparison vape was the grasshopper. My grasshopper gave the same kinda hits as my sub (we all know how much the quality and performance and failure rates vary on GH's though so I whole-heartedly believe that yours is outperformed by your sub).

    However, I got rid of the sub for a number of reasons:

    - It does not sit stable enough on the PTFE adapters, especially when it gets gunked with reclaim

    - The heater stand is terrible. It falls over left and right. Something that holds something so hot should not behave like this!!!

    - The Titanium machining left sharp edges all over the handles that cut me horribly many times when using the device.

    - Dabbing on it was overwhelmingly wasteful unless you did small dabs into the holes. The ridges in the dabmaster still led to substantial trails of vapor that didn't get into the atomizer. The new nail attachment doesn't seem to have this problem anymore but IIRC that isn't so good for flowers? The holes on the dabmaster and apollo would get filled with nasty gunk that was near impossible to fully clean.

    - The Monkey Controller is way too fucking short with the cable. This unit is a giant hunk of scolding metal. It should be fucking securely stationed and not liable to be dragged away by the power cable and controller!

    - The old 1 hour timer was the straw that broke the camels back on my XLR 2.0 dabmaster. It took most of that fucking time to warm up and heatsoak the atomizer and then the thing wants to shut itself off? WTF? Admittedly, the new 3 hour timer makes this somewhat bearable but the fact that this unit cannot simply be left on 24/7 tells me that it has a heater cartridge or some other component that isn't up to the job. Enrico has said this in the past that the old units used to burn out too quick before they started using cut off timers.

    - I had a large number of component issues, I needed replacement monkey controllers (2x), a replacement heater and a replacement power adapter

    - It would get impossibly filthy very quickly and be very, very difficult to clean fully without oxidizing metal by torching. I regularly see sublimators with a build-up of reclaim at the base of the atomizer that looks like rust! The adjacent 'sublimate' (AKA reclaim) was nasty and ruined beyond salvaging.

    The sub gives the biggest flower hits you're going to find (the custom d-nail lotus adapter bowl design made with cheap GonG adapters that I described in another thread will give similarly large clouds btw, also tastes much better, costs a hell of a lot less, uses glass for the bowl instead of scolding titanium and stays put with better stand options). But I would not compare sub hits to dabs except for the clouds. A dab is much, much easier on the throat and lungs and the effects are completely different from extracts to flowers. The sub makes flowers cause extra somnolence/dizziness IME (but doesn't make these effects last longer, keeping flower use in the sub useless for sleep medicine for my needs) and also due to the large, long rips you run out of breath and get choked out some which I really don't wanna do on the regular.

    You can also stop for breath part way through leaving a carb cap on a nail whereas the Sub is streaming vapor out the top when you do the same with a flower hit (this would not be so likely to happen with the new sub nail and carb cap design, which again IIRC isn't for flowers so much).

    If you want undoubtedly the biggest flower vape hits ever, the Sub is one of the only options as you say, I agree, there is nearly no comparison for the kind of hit you get from flowers, but damn are there a lot of trade-offs to get you there! Nothing against the sub overall, it deserves credit for bringing vaporizing to another level before other vapes could do so, but IMO and IME it is jenky and poorly executed in the above ways!

    I do not believe that the errlectric will do the same sized hits. The Twax may, as it uses more metal and would have more conductive/radiant heat in the mix than the errlectric. The D-nail lotus adapter in stock configuration will not be able to pull off the same results as the sub at all, but with the custom glass bowl (meaning you only need to buy the d-nail heater and make the bowl with cheap GonGs) it can give insane clouds like the sub, without most of the above trade-offs and at a much lower price - it also works with concentrates of all kinds in this configuration, even non full melt hash!!!

    I used to think the sub was the best hit I'd ever had for non-full melt, but the d-nail lotus with custom bowl wins hands down - SO MUCH BETTER FLAVOR!!! I find that the sub starts to taste very samey very quickly as it gets quickly gunked up. Especially if you are dabbing and using it for flower. The dabs taste like the previous flower hits etc.

    See my above comments on the d-nail lotus flower adapter, whose vortexing convective air in the insanely cheap glass setup I described elsewhere gets dab-sized rips from flower and more tastily at that! I recently saw video of a twax giving a rip that I would say appears to compare to a sub rip too, but have not used this one personally so will withhold judgement.

    Also, man we need to stop using the term 'biogasification' :2c: it is like calling vaping 'fracking'! :lol:
     
  8. justvapin

    justvapin Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer

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    I'm amazed by the clouds I can get from my Errlectric when I drop the carb cap on a bowl of flowers.
     
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  9. PoopMachine

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    Got the Flowerpot in.. the coil I ordered from them doesnt fit my controller. I managed to find an XLR 100w coil today so Ill be putting it through its paces tonightl
     
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  10. Melting Pot

    Melting Pot Sick & Twisted

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    My station right now has a Enano ,Versa infinity,Supreme v3 and last bur not least Errlectric herb nail. Imo all serious heavy hitters if i crank up herb nail to 820f effects are very high it can do nugs just not as well as sv3 same with versa.
    Versa has very strong effects
    I reall want to try a sub & a vrip
    Nano is my heavy hitter sipper
     
  11. mephisto

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    IMO any true herbalist needs to experience the joy that is found in the Vrip! My first foray into vaping was the Vripmaster. It will do flavor country and knock yer dick in the dirt all in one swipe.
    Good to see you around @Melting Pot !
     
  12. CheeseSandwich

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    @Melting Pot
    Our starting line ups are nearly the same. Just swap out the Errlectric for the Sub.:tup:
     
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  13. damm

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  14. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I've had many GH's, and just one Sub that's being lent to me (original version). I'm not even going to get into comparisons, because quite frankly I don't think they should be. Apples and nuclear bombs here bro. The GH can milk dense, but it just looks like smoke and mirrors because the exhalations aren't reflective of the gun show. And the medication level is pretty lightweight compared to a proper Sub (thermal equilibrium) hit. All mine are always in RMA and it's a great concept and vape when it works properly, but the down time is greater than the runtime practically IME.

    Are you talking about the teflon joint? Mine feels stable enough, but I appreciate your concerns.

    Never had it fall over once. But i'm careful, and have it up against something to keep it steady. Furthermore you can get a sub shield and it is its own stand.

    Sorry to hear that man, mine is smooth as a whistle...sounds like you received a bad one.

    I'm testing the Apollo only, so can't speak for the dabmaster, but it's been great! I also have an e-nail in my possession, and it's incredible especially for the low temp full melt rosin, etc. but for convenience I love having the ability to poke a hole (giggity!). It's not an enail, I agree....but it's nice to have the ability and double decker capability. I wouldn't put rosin in it, but for some cheaper waxes and shatter sure why not? Have not seen gunk or build up, but perhaps it has not been long enough.

    Hmmm, don't have the monkey controller but this old school controller has a cord so long I have to wrap it up with a velcro tie.

    Yeah, you don't wanna treat the Sub like a log vape, but the newer technology is apparently much better. The Sub i'm using now doesn't have a timer at all, and it only takes about 10 minutes 15 tops to heat up.

    This isn't my experience at all, and you are well aware of my sleep issues. Ever since the Sub landed, it has not been better. However i'm sure the concentrates have something to do with this lol

    Well said bro! Totally agree... i'm interested in the dnail lotus flower adapter and twax impressing me as much as the Sub or Supreme have. The Sub is my plug-in desktop of choice, i still prefer my Supreme, but having to torch isn't always practical for me. Until something else comes along, I think the Sub will reign king of the desktops for quite a while. It's all about the vapour quality for me, and love the one hit rapid extraction process... and this does it.

    Yep, that's the way to go IMO....their glass and bases are ultra nice, but the price just isn't worth it IMO.
     
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  15. CheeseSandwich

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    One thing I've come to love about the Sub is it's durability. I have the V2 ( warranty replacement for my brown corded V1) it's been used & abused. My heating element originally went to 50 watts, after like 3 years of use it reaches 45-46 watts. When it was my go to it was left on all day, like 12+ hrs a day. I did by no means baby it and it still performs very well. Aside from the shitty timer box which was easily cut out this thing is a fucking tank.
     
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  16. Oogendoogan

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    I want an herb nail pretty bad.. I lovd my errlectric with the normal ti nail for dabs, I see the twax flowerpot takes a 16mm coil.. I guess I COULD get the HE fitting coil from errlectric, pretty sure that's 16mm right? Then use the flowerpot; but the herbnail looks nicer.. like the fact that it spins your herb around so you don't have to stir is awesome and the fact that it has a glass bowl so you can easily dump and reload.

    How are the clouds? I can't really find any videos but I imagine it compares to the twax flowerpot in terms of clouds and performance? Any info you can give me would be very appreciated. I want a desktop that's a heavy hitter and sticking to the errlectric would be nice.

    @biohacker i totally missed your response there. I totally get what you mean about the sub and supreme being a step above the rest. I have used the sublimator eliminator (butane sub) and it's so similar to the supreme its scary lol. The biggest difference is no temp reading. It works great for double deckers tho. I have not tried the supreme with the glass stems, I have a custom 14mm water pipe adapter that is also a stem so I just use that and it's always inserted. I have heated the block and then inserted the stem to take a hit and the flavor is awesome, but I always end up just inserting the stem to extract the whole load and get those effects so I rarely bother with the "convection" style of vaping with the supreme.
     
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  17. justvapin

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    The clouds can be absolutely enormous if you choose (which I do...). Add a carb cap, and it's a whole new level.....and you can go low temp or high. Bowl is super easy to load and dump. I use my Herbnail constantly. The vortex is really very cool and this evenly vapes your product. One of the most powerful vapes, with some of the densest, most enjoyably crippling vapor I get from any vape I have (right up there anyway)......
     
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  18. herbivore21

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    I 100% believe that your GH's have performed exactly as you say, but my GH absolutely delivered the same clouds on the inhale and exhale as my sub did. I RMA'D 2 units before getting one that worked properly lol, so I could not agree more with you about the downtime greater than runtime :lol::lol:

    Yup, the teflon joint. I've used 6 different subs (2 of my own) of this XLR 2.0 model now, never had access to one of the OG units and we probably need to stick to discussing products that are currently available for the OP.

    The Teflon inserts were not helpful if you use both the outer 18mm PTFE insert and the 14mm PTFE insert on the atomizer. This is what I am talking about above. With just the 14mm, it is not so bad but I found that it still can sit to one side or another especially as sublimate builds up. The whole thing would often sit lop-sided, not vertically in these two scenarios.
    Indeed I did, I witnessed this in 2/6 of the Subs I have used. QC is quite inconsistent with sub metalwork IME. Especially for the price, this is unforgiveable IMO. I seriously injured myself using what was meant to be a medical device. I had to explain the cuts all over my hands to people for weeks!!! It was a HANDLE that cut me!

    Bro it's conductive metal with a huge scolding metal mass resting on top of it. I don't want a stand for such a thing that needs to be rested against something else - isn't that the stand's job??? Ideally, I want a stand to prevent me from worrying about the hot thing falling over, as opposed to just becoming another hot-ish thing with a hotter thing resting on it which can both fall over?! :lol:

    Surely they could at least weigh the base down some so that it stays put is all I'm saying - it would be such an easy and obvious upgrade to the product! They charge more than ANYBODY for their flower vapes and the lack of polish is sorely noticed. I'll also point out that since you don't have the official XLR 2.0 monkey controller/cord, you may not have had so much trouble with the stand and heater because of the adequate length of cable. The short cable + inline controller combination on the XLR 2.0 is a nightmare for tipping and the fact that the stand doesn't stay put adds to the danger.

    I am almost certain that this is why you are not as jaded with sublimator as I am brother ;) No shitty timer + longer cords makes it much better already ;) They really went backwards in a number of ways when they went to the 2.0 model.
    None of the XLR 2.0's that I have ever used have heated up more quickly than 30 mins. Two of them took 45-50 mins!!! My own generally timed out after only 15 mins of usable time. It was super frustrating. I would often go to use the thing only to find it had shut off and was no longer heat soaked before I'd even taken one rip!!! The 1 hour timer was unforgiveable IMO, there is just no way to spin that shit to make it sound good, try as they did. I want a desktop that lets me to set and forget. The only plug-in with a one-hour timer that I will forgive is the evo, because it heats up in 2 minutes - even that timer frustrates me.
    Oops should have been clearer man. What I was saying is flowers generally do not keep me asleep, I might get to sleep with them but I wake up in the night. Concentrates let me get a full sleep without waking up so long as I have enough of a dose. The sub made flowers get me to sleep better than other flower vapes, but did not do any better at keeping me asleep. The sub with concentrates (anything with concentrates!!!) will of course do just fine at achieving lasting sleep IME :)

    I get this, if you want one-hit, the Sub is one of very few that will do it. Torch vapes are not usually what I'll reach for, as I want repeatable results with minimal concentration. Torch vapes/nails are a portable backup solution for me.
    Full melt rosin? Man if someone squished some of my full melt, I'd slap the taste out their mouth! :lol: Rosin made from full melt tastes inferior to the original full melt every time IME. Is this retail material? Or did you miss a comma and that was intended as 'full melt, rosin, etc.'?

    I have used the apollo and found it terrible for carbonized/polymerized buildup inside the holes from dabs, dabmaster was the same. Both were bad with wastage simply due to the no carb cap design. Of course vapor will stream out the hole you dabbed into the air when you're not inhaling, the dab is sitting practically on the outside of the hole with the least resistance path being up into the air. I will say that too many people use enails in similarly wasteful ways but I found that you had to keep dabs small or jack the heat up too much on the sub to avoid wasted vapor trails. I have not use the new ti nail with carb cap which I'm sure will not have the same problem. Double deckers were fun of course too ;)
    Most definitely agree on this one, Some of the sublimator pieces are nice, but like everything with the word Sublimator in the label, extremely expensive. Make sure your glass has a very low centre of gravity and a heavy base to keep it weighed down and you'll have a great time. Get something with a large can and moderate-heavy diffusion, the sub only knows how to give one kind of rip - enormous!
     
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  19. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    I appreciate the exchange bro. I empathize with your Sublimator early adoption, similar to the GH. So we both know the score, but I still maintain that there is absolutely no comparison between the GH and the Sub in any sort of vapour output.

    How old was your XLR? A sublimator is a sublimator still.... I see it just as relevant, but maybe i'm wrong. It just throws me back how much it appears you hate the device (mostly) that is newer (apologies thought you had these experiences way back in the day of early adoption).

    I only have the 14mm, and use an 18/14 adapter for my glass piece. Works flawlessly.

    That sucks, 2/2 of my Grasshoppers were DOA. 2/6 is less than 1/2 so as much of a bummer as it is...ALOT of people still have no issues.

    As I mentioned before, they have the SUB CAGE which isn't immune to causing burns, but helps tremendously, and also can be stood up without the actual stand. But yeah, they should have made a solid heavy base for it so you have a very valid point there. You're right no monkey controller, but I wish I had one.

    You're probably right, but I can look past some minor things such as the stand and heatup time for the best electric vaporizer i've ever experience.

    Well bro, I think you've finally done it....my parade has been rained on and now I have anxiety about the XLR 2.0 that I want to buy! lol This shit should probably all go in the Sub thread, because now I have a shit tonne of reading to do. The last thing I need are problems. I don't get it...it's not supposed to time out after 15 minutes? Dude you have the worst luck in the world....and that means it's worse than mine, and mine is brutal! lol

    I can appreciate your timer frustration...an hour wouldn't do it for me, 3hours is tolerable. The EVO's one hour timer killed me! But I disagree that it takes 2 minutes.... common bro, if the Sub needs a proper heat soak, so does the EVO....so i'm thinking more like 10+ mins. Not a huge EVO fan. Too much irritating heat. They sure went backwards from the Cloud when they started cheaping out with their heaters and switched to coils. @lazylathe actually just made a CLOUD with one of their older ceramic heaters and that thing works like a beast, and he made it digital! If only it wasn't all about the money eh...

    Gotcha! Awesome, the Sub is the best flower vape for sleeping....well, at least as good as it gets. We'll have to chat in PM about your dosage, etc. as I now have entered the concentrate world.

    Have you tried the Supreme? That thermometer makes it very repeatable! And no grinding! Like the vapour quality and output much more than the Sub....if only it was electric it would be my panacea. I'm a massive one-hit wonder kinda guy! Old school one hit bong ripper...

    I'm new to all of this...I don't know WTF i'm talking about....it's Rosin....from here (where I get all my gear)

    http://www.thcdelivery.ca/product-category/rosin/

    I have seen something inside one of the holes...some kinda oxidation or something. The enail with carb cap sounds like the solution, although with an actual enail, it's still more of a convenience thing and fun with double deckers (way too hot for flower IMO). I realize it's not awesome for dabbing, but overall I think it's still an awesome vaporizer, and am looking forward to one that knocks it off the pedestal... hopefully the herb nail, maybe the Herbo Ti, but whichever one it is, it's kinda on the backseat due to all the novelty of the enail and concentrate world!

    Really appreciate the feedback, but now i'm not as stoked on it as I was! :hmm:

    I would have thought a brand new Sub would be even MORE amazing! The controller is supposed to make the temps alot more accurate and stable, as well as a bunch of other improvements? I feel like it's russian roulette now! lol

    How is it possible to vape properly without a reading? Just a guessing game?

    That sounds awesome! Just like @mephisto made some stainless adapters that were one piece...think he made something for the Sub as well! I'd kill to get my hands on a glass one.
     
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  20. mephisto

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    for clarity, it was brother @mestizo who works magic on the cnc machine....
     
  21. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Just another reason to get a Sub :razz:

    Apologies!!! :tup::peace: I always get your names mixed up!
     
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  22. Oogendoogan

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    Yeah shout out to @mestizo for the amazing adapter. He did also make some stuff for the sub.. honestly I don't wanna say too much but his custom sublimator base is honestly the sexiest and coolest custom vape accessory I have ever seen. The work on that thing is so skilled, like you can tell he put some damn love into it and holy crap does it make using the sub easy as pie. I don't own it unfortunately but a good buddy does and it's by far the dopest thing in his collection. @mestizo work is just insane.. the sublimator is awesome but the sublimator kit he built is on another level, it's so easy to use, has a sub head holder and abv tap out jar.. it has a percolated dry base that's like way nicer than a normal XLR base and you can take the dry tube off and put a water tube on. It's freaking crazy and it's all one package that is smaller than a normal XLR kit. The supreme stems are awesome!! Makes the experience so easy, the stems are Ti I am pretty sure and there are 14 and 18mm ones out there. I wouldn't use the supreme any other way ;)
     
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  23. Baron23

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    Yeah, its my one complaint about New Vape. They use a mini-XLR, I believe.

    So does High Five, I believe, and both of them will urge you to use their coils with their controllers as they can't guarantee pin compatibility which, IMO, is complete and utter BS. They won't even publish their pin outs (whereas Auber most certainly does, for example)

    The regular size, five pin, XLR is pretty standard as are the pin outs of 1 & 2 = AC Power, 3 & 4 = thermocouple +/-, and 5 = ground.

    The only reason to deviate from this interface is to lock in customers to your proprietary items. Not cool IMO.
     
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  24. lazylathe

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    This is one reason i am hesitating to purchase the TWax setup...
    I am sure i could disassemble their mini-XLR and figure out the pins and use the same arrangement on a regular XLR connector?
    I am pretty sure the coils are all the same with the same 4 wires, 2 power and 2 for the thermocouple, so it should be very simple to accomplish the switch over!

    I know that would void any warranty but it would make it much more user friendly!
    And at $30 a coil, that is not too bad!
     
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    or use your own controller and coil as @PoopMachine did.

    I do really like New Vape and I like Edwyn who runs it. When our dispensaries open later in the summer here in MD (from my lips to God's ear, please) I will be interested in looking at some high quality home rosin presses. I like New Vape, I like they way they talk and work. But I think I would have to go a different route on the coils and controller as I just will not get locked into a less widely used interface.

    I really wish they would rethink this. They don't make the f'ing controller or coil anyway. Just change to full size XLR and standard hot runner coil pin outs. End of story.
     
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