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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Alan, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. OKcomputer

    OKcomputer Kid A

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    Have to agree w/ what sticks and ghostvapor said. The HI is giving me incredibly consistent performance. It's absolutely incredible how little effort is required to get an enormous cloud out of a half-full turbo tube bowl. Just a couple seconds of comfortable, natural drawing is all you need for a ridiculously dense, big cloud. Stretch that draw to 4 or 5 seconds and your lungs are going to have a seriously hard time taking it for more than a few seconds without water filtration; you'll brown the whole load in one hit. It's faster than smoking a bowl for fuck's sake, it actually feels weird to get so much vapor with such a short draw.

    I also have to agree with Gonzo, the PD power supply is giving me the perfect temperature. Alan sent me a replacement VV and non-VV. I forgot to check the mail today, it's probably in there.

    Just passing it back and forth between 2 people, I don't notice any drop in heat from hit to hit whatsoever. I have a feeling it would hold up fine in a group setting, but haven't gotten the chance to try it. Honestly, the hits are such that you're not going to want a "second helping" immediately after anyhow if you're going direct draw.
     
  2. PurpleDazed

    PurpleDazed Well-Known Member

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    God I am having such a Difficult time reading all these wondrous reviews on the HI and am anxiously awaiting seeing Alan's newest creations. :ko:
    I hope its not to much longer :rolleyes: :lol:
     
  3. vapormonkey

    vapormonkey Well-Known Member

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    Now I'm gonna throw some more ideas out there. Let me start by saying I like vaping and all flower smokers should be vaping. You get higher and it's healthier although it's hard to convince old time smokers Sometimes. I wonder if old smokers lungs are to damaged to vape or something.

    Many smokers move to concentrates which is a good idea because it contains less harmful combustibles if it's not BHO or made with butane which I don't use.

    And this brings me to a new idea for Alan the inventer. How I vape concentrates and/or kif is that I place some on top of the flowers and they melt into it...however a way to vape kif, bubble or other concentrates in a roasting tube is the addition of a "health stone" into or near the tube tip!

    Look at these Al and let me know it you see the idea I'm thinking of.

    http://www.aqualabtechnologies.com/...alth-stone-glass-replacement-vapor-stone.html
     
  4. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    Can't vape but can smoke? No way. And the young are more likely to be resistant to vapor than the old IMO, because their lungs haven't been exposed to smoke for decades.

    The vapor stone idea isn't a bad one, but I think it's designed to be used with flame, like the VaporGenie design, and vaping temps aren't going to be hot enough.

    "Use along with a Double or Triple Butane Torch Lighter"
     
  5. vapormonkey

    vapormonkey Well-Known Member

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    Yep, it's gonna take higher temps that's for sure. A good heat gun set a little higher should get the job done. However heat guns weren't made for inhaling they say.
     
  6. scottio19

    scottio19 scotty

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    very cool :cool:

    If this vape has all the heat retention necessary for repeated bong rips, I don't see what all the hype is about for the fancy shmancy temperature regulation of the Cloud. All glass airpath is neat, but not practical for me.

    Alan, I have been looking at your design and using air as an insulator instead of washers to disperse the heat is genius! I have a question though, does the open air pocket between the heater and the wood body allow heat to radiate out? If it did, could adding something to seal off the air pocket result in less radiation of heat, like maybe a big washer with a few holes near the top of the heat port? Unless radiation is minimal to begin with, I think it could make a difference. Haha I am not trying to come into your thread telling you how to do your thing, just wondering if this really is the better method of insulation vs SS washers or ceramic enclosures. LOL, if it really is more heat efficient than other methods, I don't see the point of using costly materials to insulate anymore when air is free :lol:
     
  7. Elluzion

    Elluzion Vapeosaurus Rex

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    I remember when I was first looking into getting the MFLB it looked big in all the pictures and then it arrive and I said "Whoah...". You just don't expect it in photos because there is never a frame of reference :brow:
     
  8. biojuggernaut

    biojuggernaut Snob

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    Thats for you to decide. The newest CRZ thread shows little charring, however the HI has a layer or SS around the Wood to stop charring. If you use your log in the car get a CRZ unless your need a short heat up time then get the HI which is already more then hot enough at 11.5 volts. Any higher is like putting a benzene heat blower ontop of your herb. Get your there instantly but It is very easy to combust if you leave AVB in the bowl.
     
  9. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    Thanks scottio19. There is some radiation heat being transferred from the center tube to the retaining sleeve. It is very small compared to the conduction from the bottom washer out to the retaining sleeve. The single washer is the real key to the design. It limits the conduction path.
    Heat retention is important when you have a flame heat source. The heating element does the air heating in this style of vaporizer. The stainless steel core just conducts the heat out to the wood. The better it conducts, the cooler it will run.
    I like the durability of stainless steel for generating hot air and purity of glass after the vapor is produced.

    Speaking of passing back and forth. It can't always be glass. I have been playing around with soda bottles, storage bags, and turbo tubes. Here are some photos of the "Vapor Lung". It is basically a vapor pump.
    The storage bag is pulled out of the soda bottle which creates a vacuum pulling in vapor from the turbo tube. The long pull of air through the turbo tube provides for a very thorough roast. Remove the turbo tube and put your finger on the hole in the cap. Very good for 2 people or more. It will also work on the UD / PD.


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  10. Vapinghole

    Vapinghole Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master

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    Alan - that's super cool.
     
  11. scottio19

    scottio19 scotty

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    sweet invention! I had a similar idea and used my UD connected to a gravity bong. air pump? who needs it!

    so what you are saying is.. the bottom washer at the bottom of the element causes more heat loss than radiation through air, meaning an additional washer or anything touching the element at the top to prevent heat radiation would be counterproductive?
     
  12. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Lol TV ! We call this "invention" the parachute around here :).
     
  13. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    That is correct scottio19. You want the heat to stay on an island in the middle with as little metal as possible touching it.

    I wouldn't call the soda bottle / bag device an invention. Just a creation. I had heard of it called lung but not parachute. Mostly associated with combustion. Works great with the HI.
     
  14. Jeppy

    Jeppy JedHI Vaporist

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    That's awesome! Wow.. Way to think Alan!! That's a biggass lung!! :)
     
  15. biojuggernaut

    biojuggernaut Snob

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    How do we fill up the balloon?
     
  16. scottio19

    scottio19 scotty

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    manually :lol:
     
  17. J.R.R.Tokin'

    J.R.R.Tokin' Wych Doctor Manufacturer

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    The bag has an airtight seal around the bottle. As you slowly pull the bag out it draws air through the stem and into the newly created space you are opening up with the bag.
     
  18. momofthegoons

    momofthegoons vapor accessory addict Staff Member

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    That's our Alan for you! Always thinking and creating. Folks, I'd stop giving him new ideas to think about and work on if you want your HIs..... :cool: :lol:


    Thanks Krazy; I think it's pretty sweet myself. ;)
    As tempting as your offer is (since you have a few vapes I'd like to try), I start connecting with people from the forum to check out vapes, my husband is going to flip his shit! He already thinks I'm out of control.... :lol:
     
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  19. Vapinghole

    Vapinghole Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master

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    Yes! I agree, mom! I REALLY want one of these!

    I'm glad to know I'm not the only one "out of control" :brow: In a very short time I've become obsessed with vaporizing and vapes. My wife just shakes her head.
     
  20. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    :D This! lolol
     
  21. tuscan tins

    tuscan tins Well-Known Member

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    I'm sensing some HI Gravity coming up... :brow:

    Alan sent me a picture, too!
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    It's sugar maple.
     
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  22. Jeppy

    Jeppy JedHI Vaporist

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    That's awesome staticsunn!! You should be vapn outa that bad boy by the end of the week! :)
     
  23. Vapinghole

    Vapinghole Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master

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    Congrats! I'm jealous!! Happy vaping times ahead--keep us posted.
     
  24. ilovebOObs

    ilovebOObs can i stick my male joint in there?

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    nice looking HI!!! congrats static
     
  25. EyeFonez

    EyeFonez Herb Roaster

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    Congrats static, She's a beaut!
     

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