Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer

[mitchgo61]

Although I feel a little uncomfortable "breaking up" the material in the bowl. Seems like maybe I'm putting too much pressure on that screen - which still hasn't needed a cleaning since I bought the FF.

I think you're fine. The airflow holes notwithstanding, the screen sits on a solid floor above the heating element. Just don't press *too* hard! But gentle pressure while breaking up material should be safe.

I think grind is the key to this device. Everything else had been directed by the grind, namely draw speed, air flow and temperature control. My grind was too fine and it affected those other areas. Now with a medium grind the air flow and temperature feel easier to control with more regularity/consistency.

I'm starting to find that I get my best results with...

a. medium-barely broken up grind. Like smallish chunks, erring on the side of bigger pieces than finer grounds.

b. fresh, not-too-dry material.

c. moderately tamped, but definitely not loose.

d. filled right up to the bowl rim.

This seems to provide me with lots of big hits upfront, little or no debris choking the vapor paths, and seemingly endless bowls. Yes, the first hit or two are mild due to the material's moisture. And yes, as the material cooks and dries, you end up with finer grind and debris issues. But I can go like 12 hits, easy, before i have to start breaking up the material beyond nominal stirring.

I can get good results from drier, more finely-ground material, but the bowl seems to last twice as long if I'm using material that is still pretty fresh and retains a fair amount of moisture.

It's a little counterintuitive, and I'll probably have contradictory results next week or tomorrow, but that's my most recent conclusion. Fresher, mostly unground, moderate pack density=lots of hits, no mess, seemingly endless succession of equally great-tasting hits.

 

[Robob]

I am still perfecting my technique and have been experimenting with different grinds, some bowls I can't seem to get all the ABV the same color (too full perhaps?) and others I get combustion or no vape at all. This unit is def all about technique and I'm hoping once I get it down I will have success like everyone else here.

Some of my problems have been from Shake getting clogged in the cap but others I haven't been able to pinpoint, does everyone suggest filling to be level with top of the bowl? I had experimented with half full but then you can see herb floats around in thr chamber and clogs up the airflow. I think my batch may just be too much shake, any other tips appreciated though! Ty

 

[bumdiggy84]

OK, you guys, I tell ya...I don't know what I'd do without you guys....u rock so hard

So, I took one of these from my Extreme Q:

http://www.vapeworld.com/extreme-vaporizer-screen-pack

It sits perfectly in the bowl. Then I put one of the included FF screens on top...

Put the lid on and go to town!! You can pull hard as you want...Rich milky clouds...NO, absolutely NO waste...you can prefill the screen bowls for "quick" on the go swapping! (like my two extra FF batteries! )

the bowl fits a LOVELY .1...yes, but you can keep stuffing hard and get in a .2

**UPDATE** if you pack a .2, you dont need the top screen ...and i think its tastier w/o the screen...

I've tested two strains

burns evenly...yes you dont have to STIR or SHAKE

YOU GUYS DID IT...SHOUT OUT TO YOU ALL....

Oh, and now Im back to fine grind

Oh, and I havent noticed ANY change in the heating with the extra metal in there...

I have no reason to try any other way from this point on......PERFECTED

I would like to call this method the "space capsule"

 

[Vaporipped]

I am really enjoying everyone's input towards this device! I posted a thread a couple of pages back about the domed screen technique and my success with it. Looking at the picture that "Volteric" posted using the domed screen technique and getting combustion, the only difference that I can see is that I use slightly less herb and my grind is also finer. I use a space case and love using a fine grind. I leave plenty of room inside of the domed screen for the herb to move around as well. I haven't experienced any combustion yet. It is probably likely that some of these devices run hotter than others as previously suggested, and maybe I do have a colder running FF. I also understand from what I've read that the strength of the draw affects the outcome. When learning how to use the FF I kept my pull strength constant which I can only describe as not too strong and not too weak. That unfortunately will vary in opinion for everyone here. I also kept my timing exactly the same- hold button for 2-3 seconds, then begin to draw for about 8 seconds, then let go of the button while continuing to draw for about another 8 seconds. I only played around with the grind and load size with the added screen dome. Another factor that I didn't mention earlier is that I usually hit it only twice in a session and I do take the domed screen off and stir the herb after each hit. Even if I don't have a colder running device, I'm probably not letting the device heat up as much as others. As I approach 40, I've cut way back on my usage of this beautiful plant. Since I am only a recreational user, it makes my sessions more intense and more cost effective.

bumdiggy84 and Shiggity I love both of your screen mods and to all the people here who love to make things custom and better than stock, I solute you!

 

[rsqemt911]

OK, you guys, I tell ya...I don't know what I'd do without you guys....u rock so hard

So, I took one of these from my Extreme Q:

http://www.vapeworld.com/extreme-vaporizer-screen-pack

It sits perfectly in the bowl. Then I put one of the included FF screens on top...

Put the lid on and go to town!! You can pull hard as you want...Rich milky clouds...NO, absolutely NO waste...you can prefill the screen bowls for "quick" on the go swapping! (like my two extra FF batteries! )

the bowl fits a LOVELY .1...yes, but you can keep stuffing hard and get in a .2

**UPDATE** if you pack a .2, you dont need the top screen ...and i think its tastier w/o the screen...

I've tested two strains

burns evenly...yes you dont have to STIR or SHAKE

YOU GUYS DID IT...SHOUT OUT TO YOU ALL....

Oh, and now Im back to fine grind

Oh, and I havent noticed ANY change in the heating with the extra metal in there...

I have no reason to try any other way from this point on......PERFECTED

I just did this trick and it worked perfectly. I took it a step further and removed the inner screen so the elbow screen drops in and semi contacts the heater much like the PN and PNP.
On that note, the screen cups for the vaporblunt 2 are the same diameter as the extreme ones but slightly deeper. I found this out when i tried using one in my vaporblunt and the stir rod was scraping the bottom. Might make for a tighter seal with the top of lid and help with debris containment.

[URL='http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-the-firefly-vaporizer-thread.16628/'] [/URL]

 

[mitchgo61]

So, I took one of these from my Extreme Q:
It sits perfectly in the bowl. Then I put one of the included FF screens on top...
Oh, and I havent noticed ANY change in the heating with the extra metal in there...

I just did this trick and it worked perfectly. I took it a step further and removed the inner screen so the elbow screen drops in and semi contacts the heater much like the PN and PNP.
On that note, the screen cups for the vaporblunt 2 are the same diameter as the extreme ones but slightly deeper. I found this out when i tried using one in my vaporblunt and the stir rod was scraping the bottom. Might make for a tighter seal with the top of lid and help with debris containment.

Wait, seriously? You guys are talking about dropping an elbow screen basket directly in the FF bowl? That's both ingenious and scary as hell. I would love to try it. I'm afraid of it combusting, and possibly (in the process) doing something to alter the heat sensor.

Yeah, I admit it, I'm still wounded and skittish from my first FF. If Volteric tries it and doesn't combust, maybe I'll give it a shot.

 

[Shiggity]

my spring is working great and not combusting.

 

[havealight101]

I like the basket idea, nice work! I messed with using a elb top for my first bubble bowl, but have since moved on. I may have to back track and try arizer's/vaporblunt baskets.

 

[bumdiggy84]

I just did this trick and it worked perfectly. I took it a step further and removed the inner screen so the elbow screen drops in and semi contacts the heater much like the PN and PNP.
On that note, the screen cups for the vaporblunt 2 are the same diameter as the extreme ones but slightly deeper. I found this out when i tried using one in my vaporblunt and the stir rod was scraping the bottom. Might make for a tighter seal with the top of lid and help with debris containment.

I am really enjoying everyone's input towards this device! I posted a thread a couple of pages back about the domed screen technique and my success with it. Looking at the picture that "Volteric" posted using the domed screen technique and getting combustion, the only difference that I can see is that I use slightly less herb and my grind is also finer. I use a space case and love using a fine grind. I leave plenty of room inside of the domed screen for the herb to move around as well. I haven't experienced any combustion yet. It is probably likely that some of these devices run hotter than others as previously suggested, and maybe I do have a colder running FF. I also understand from what I've read that the strength of the draw affects the outcome. When learning how to use the FF I kept my pull strength constant which I can only describe as not too strong and not too weak. That unfortunately will vary in opinion for everyone here. I also kept my timing exactly the same- hold button for 2-3 seconds, then begin to draw for about 8 seconds, then let go of the button while continuing to draw for about another 8 seconds. I only played around with the grind and load size with the added screen dome. Another factor that I didn't mention earlier is that I usually hit it only twice in a session and I do take the domed screen off and stir the herb after each hit. Even if I don't have a colder running device, I'm probably not letting the device heat up as much as others. As I approach 40, I've cut way back on my usage of this beautiful plant. Since I am only a recreational user, it makes my

Wait, seriously? You guys are talking about dropping an elbow screen basket directly in the FF bowl? That's both ingenious and scary as hell. I would love to try it. I'm afraid of it combusting, and possibly (in the process) doing something to alter the heat sensor.

Yeah, I admit it, I'm still wounded and skittish from my first FF. If Volteric tries it and doesn't combust, maybe I'll give it a shot.

I have found no downside to this method... space capsules (dome screen) have solved it all. I am also using .1 w/o a top screen now... I've also removed the bottom screen like rsqemt911 said, which now it does fit "flush" ..the vapor it produces is unmatched... throw a space capsule in your space coffin, and you wont go back...

who said the FF isn't portable? I can "pop" my capsules like I change batteries...0 mess!

Wait, seriously? You guys are talking about dropping an elbow screen basket directly in the FF bowl? That's both ingenious and scary as hell. I would love to try it. I'm afraid of it combusting, and possibly (in the process) doing something to alter the heat sensor.

Yeah, I admit it, I'm still wounded and skittish from my first FF. If Volteric tries it and doesn't combust, maybe I'll give it a shot.

I only had one FF when someone talked about using a top screen and it throwing off the heating element, etc,so that scared me and I left it alone...

but someone else mentioned it again....I had just changed my bowl screen on my Extreme Q when it hit me to put the screen in the FF bowl.. I did give a pause, but i just thought about the physics of the unit...and how that guy who does all the reviews was totally wrong about using the heat button, after listening to the designers themselves talk about using the heat button, specifically stating that you can press it numerous times back to back if you want to reach highter temps...or as long or often as you like...so I concluded that all it can really do is heat the screen (and now that I have two FF.. i was like F it) , and the rest is history.

 

[natural farmer]

I am stoked with today's findings about the Arizer baskets!!!

Now I am even more eager to receive my baby!!!

Anyone can think of baskets with lids? Like Cloud's ELBs? FF ELBs wouldn't be shabby at all!!!

 

[Shiggity]

throw a space capsule in your space coffin, and you wont go back...

who said the FF isn't portable? I can "pop" my capsules like I change batteries...0 mess!

Yes! Seeing "Space Coffin" made my day. I love my space coffin! And Space capsule is a great term for the screen packets. I am going to order one just to try that. Although I find hand grind is quick and easy there are those "stealth" minded times where that would be really great.


Was thinking about the flavor aspect people say is lacking. I think it really is a function of temperature. Like the difference between cold beer and warm beer. When the FF is not warmed up I get a less intense flavor profile. After a few bowls when the frame has stored up some heat I feel like the FF gives me more flavor. Maybe I will try keeping the FF on the warm power pack for my xbox one and see if it makes a difference. I will keep the battery out so I don't cook it.

Note: to all new users the Firefly is not crazy hard to learn to use. We are all just wackos who can't leave well enough alone. That's why I found this forum and have come to love it. Crazy people like me who want to push the limits of everything.

 

[Vaporipped]

Shiggity I couldn't agree with you more about the Firefly being super easy to use even without modifications. I strongly recommend this vaporizer to everyone! I can't wait to take the stock screen out and pop in a basket style screen. I'm excited about the prospect that a top screen dome might not be necessary anymore for me to be able to use a fine grind. If the basket reaches the top of the glass portal and contains the herb, I will be ecstatic!

 

[hoyo77]

I've been using a Czech Pipe Tool I found on eBay for $4. The spoon measure is spot on, the tamper is perfect bowl size and it has a stirring stick to boot...

Man i loves me some good ole fashion vaporizer porn!!!

OK, you guys, I tell ya...I don't know what I'd do without you guys....u rock so hard

So, I took one of these from my Extreme Q:

http://www.vapeworld.com/extreme-vaporizer-screen-pack

It sits perfectly in the bowl. Then I put one of the included FF screens on top...

Put the lid on and go to town!! You can pull hard as you want...Rich milky clouds...NO, absolutely NO waste...you can prefill the screen bowls for "quick" on the go swapping! (like my two extra FF batteries! )

the bowl fits a LOVELY .1...yes, but you can keep stuffing hard and get in a .2

**UPDATE** if you pack a .2, you dont need the top screen ...and i think its tastier w/o the screen...

I've tested two strains

burns evenly...yes you dont have to STIR or SHAKE

YOU GUYS DID IT...SHOUT OUT TO YOU ALL....

Oh, and now Im back to fine grind

Oh, and I havent noticed ANY change in the heating with the extra metal in there...

I have no reason to try any other way from this point on......PERFECTED

I would like to call this method the "space capsule"

Dude i am ordering a pack of those right now!!!!!

Yes! Seeing "Space Coffin" made my day. I love my space coffin! And Space capsule is a great term for the screen packets. I am going to order one just to try that. Although I find hand grind is quick and easy there are those "stealth" minded times where that would be really great.


Was thinking about the flavor aspect people say is lacking. I think it really is a function of temperature. Like the difference between cold beer and warm beer. When the FF is not warmed up I get a less intense flavor profile. After a few bowls when the frame has stored up some heat I feel like the FF gives me more flavor. Maybe I will try keeping the FF on the warm power pack for my xbox one and see if it makes a difference. I will keep the battery out so I don't cook it.

Note: to all new users the Firefly is not crazy hard to learn to use. We are all just wackos who can't leave well enough alone. That's why I found this forum and have come to love it. Crazy people like me who want to push the limits of everything.

I would not say they way are crazy just enthusiastic about getting maximum vapor production from WHATEVER unit we happen to be using at that given time. And we are all very eager to share our ideas with the GOOD folks on this forum...but crazy is a simper term....LMAOF!!!!

@bumdiggy84 nicely done my man nicely done..i just ordered my screens.

 

[Robob]

Does the arizer top screen fit into the lid and protect the air pathways from clogging? it seems as though they should have integrated some sort of screen into the lid of the FF

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

We're going to need to see some pics of this Arizer basket business...

Can't you just use the tops that come with the Arizer baskets instead of the included FF screens?

 

[rsqemt911]

Does the arizer top screen fit into the lid and protect the air pathways from clogging? it seems as though they should have integrated some sort of screen into the lid of the FF

I removed my FF screen and popped the EQ elbow screen in and with a decent pack almost up to the top of the screen I had no clogging or displacing whatsoever.

I was also using the smallest particulate like grind from thw bottom of my grinder mixed with a little bit of fresher grind and it all stayed put.

 

[bumdiggy84]

We're going to need to see some pics of this Arizer basket business...

Can't you just use the tops that come with the Arizer baskets instead of the included FF screens?

You could but those screens are slightly bigger in diameter, so you would have to cut them...I find a top screen is only required if you use .1 of fine grind.... .1 of med grind, or stuffing .2 fine gring, you can start off w/o top screen, but as you get closer to the end, then top screen is recommended...

or just put top screen on all the time and enjoy, its not harming anything to start with it on

bowl to the left is .2 fine grind, bowl on right is .1 med grind

[URL='http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-the-firefly-vaporizer-thread.16628/'] [/URL]

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Well, that does it. I suppose I'm going to have to order some of these baskets and see what's what. What kind of early adopter would I "bee" otherwise?

 

[bumdiggy84]

Does the arizer top screen fit into the lid and protect the air pathways from clogging? it seems as though they should have integrated some sort of screen into the lid of the FF

I understand why they don't have a screen. The ingenuity of the unit/lid is very easy to clean as it is...the space capsule method just has no mess whatsoever

 

[rsqemt911]

Also I think the basket technique keeps the vape much cleaner on the bottom. I don't like how the OEM screen sits loose like that with the gap between the heater and the glass. I fear ABV dust will work its way into the internals over time. Eventually possibly leading to a overheating/ fire issue?

 

[bumdiggy84]

Well, that does it. I suppose I'm going to have to order some of these baskets and see what's what. What kind of early adopter would I "bee" otherwise?

Like I said in the first post, I believe I'm done w/ mods...there's nothing else to improve at this point..its the perfect solution for no mess, evenly spent herb, on the go portabilty swaping bowls..and you can slim down amount (.1 of med grind)

Also I think the basket technique keeps the vape much cleaner on the bottom. I don't like how the OEM screen sits loose like that with the gap between the heater and the glass. I fear ABV dust will work its way into the internals over time. Eventually possibly leading to a overheating/ fire issue?

you are right about that sir, no more bits sliding between the bottom screen and inside the FF, that you would have to "spin and blow" out...another perk to the "0 mess" pitch

 

[Vaporipped]

I just did this trick and it worked perfectly. I took it a step further and removed the inner screen so the elbow screen drops in and semi contacts the heater much like the PN and PNP.
On that note, the screen cups for the vaporblunt 2 are the same diameter as the extreme ones but slightly deeper. I found this out when i tried using one in my vaporblunt and the stir rod was scraping the bottom. Might make for a tighter seal with the top of lid and help with debris containment.

Do you know how much deeper the vaporblunt 2 screen is compared to the arizer? Even though they cost more, this may be the perfect screen to use for me, if it reaches the lid and makes a seal. Can anyone post a pic of the vaporblunt 2 screen sitting in the FF? Also in my opinion, I feel that there is no way that the added screen will damage this device.

 

[bumdiggy84]

You could but those screens are slightly bigger in diameter, so you would have to cut them...I find a top screen is only required if you use .1 of fine grind.... .1 of med grind, or stuffing .2 fine gring, you can start off w/o top screen, but as you get closer to the end, then top screen is recommended...

or just put top screen on all the time and enjoy, its not harming anything to start with it on

bowl to the left is .2 fine grind, bowl on right is .1 med grind

this is .1 spent...even enough for me...

and of course I finish the apv in my Extreme Q...at that same temp

 

[natural farmer]

You could but those screens are slightly bigger in diameter, so you would have to cut them...I find a top screen is only required if you use .1 of fine grind.... .1 of med grind, or stuffing .2 fine gring, you can start off w/o top screen, but as you get closer to the end, then top screen is recommended...

or just put top screen on all the time and enjoy, its not harming anything to start with it on

bowl to the left is .2 fine grind, bowl on right is .1 med grind

I really think you pack too much in those poor FFs…

 

[Vaporipped]

I'm ordering the arizer screens now. Since I use just a pinch of finely ground herb at a time I'll either use a top screen or I might try to form a screened dome to go underneath the basket. In other words, the basket will sit on the dome which would then raise it up to the lid and make a seal. In theory I shouldn't have to remove the dome and cleaning the FF will be so easy! Maybe someone can try this for me since I don't currently have a basket screen? Since this is a convection vape I have no doubt that this will still create awesome vapor. I'm very excited about this!