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QWISO VS BHO

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by MGG, Jul 11, 2014.

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QWISO VS BHO

  1. QWISO

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. BHO

    9 vote(s)
    56.3%
  3. Neither, Bubble Hash!

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    6.3%
  1. MGG

    MGG Well-Known Member

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    So I've primarily experimented with BHO but recently I got my hands on some QWISO and actually really liked it. BHO has a very narcotic heavy thc high, where I feel QWISO is more a balance of THC and CBD.
    I personally think BHO tastes better. Anyways, vote on the poll and let me know your opinion down below
    about which one you prefer and why?
  2. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I prefer QWISO only because it suits my circumstances better. My QWISO is probably not the QWISO you are used to, it looks, tastes and feels like BHO. ;)

    [​IMG]
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  3. kingtut106

    kingtut106 Well-Known Member

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    There is probably a reason a large majority of professional extraction companies use butane and not iso. I'm sure a person can make good qwiso, but if I had a choice of top shelf bho or top shelf qwiso I'm going bho everytime.
  4. nemo

    nemo Member

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    as a company, that would be reason enough to me
  5. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    I rank my own personal extractions like this.

    I prefer my QWET (everclear) then my BHO (blasted into a little everclear to help with evaporation/purge) then my ISO.

    My iso admittedly gets very little practice and I know it would come out better if I changed a few things.

    I like the flavor and potency of my pure everclear washes best, and to top it all of it is a food safe solvent to start with. I still enjoy well made BHO, but IMO my everclear hash is the best tasting and smoothest concentrate I've used so far. Maybe some day someone's BHO will change my mind, and I'll happily report back, but so far no luck.
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  6. tuk

    tuk Well-Known Member

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    Cost?
  7. MGG

    MGG Well-Known Member

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    Potentially speed as well? You could argue it's a lot quicker to run bho than to run iso.
  8. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    hahahaha with all due respect, you guys likely have no idea what you are talking about! :p

    QWISO when done my way is much quicker than Butane, also much cheaper. ISO purchases in bulk make for cheaper solvent purchases than Butane (at least here). I am finished the FULL QWISO process in 2-6 hours, including full (patent pending) purge process with no trace of ISO smell/taste.

    Also, I guarantee you guys could not distinguish between properly purged QWISO shatter and properly purged BHO from the same strain.

    The reason the large majority use BHO is convention. Also, the fact that butane is a very forgiving solvent means you don't need to have such solid technique, and your purging process can be sloppier (after all butane is not particularly dangerous to breathe in anyway, even if some is left). However, butane is by no means superior, you can get the same great results with any solvent, however the techniques used will vary wildly between solvents to achieve these same results.

    Until you guys have tried crystal clear shatter from QWISO with no ISO taste/smell left in it, I will take your comments on preference with a pinch of salt ;)

    Also, I should point out that QWISO is extremely easy to do HUGE runs. BHO you are limited by the tubes you buy (which are sold with the typical surcharge attached to such paraphernalia). QWISO washes can be done in any container made of suitable material, since you don't need to worry about having a closed tube/special packing to manipulate the flow of the solvent.

    Wanna do a 10oz run? Grab a bigger container and bigger filters and boom, shake shake shake the room (or just the container). I will not share my methods in any further detail, and I am still yet to decide what to use them for.

    That same 10oz run is gonna cost you a serious, serious amount of cashish if you wanna upgrade your BHO setup to handle it lol.

    Just because people tend to do things a certain way, does NOT mean that it is the most effective way.
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  9. DrRishi

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    I have done both QWET and QWISO. For me ISO gives by far the best result. Made with bud and with a short wash time I get a beautiful amber result with no trace of green. It's quick and relatively safe as long as all precautions are taken.

    It's also a question of availability. Here in NL it is easy and cheap to get hold of 99% ISO. Any Ethanol has to have additives (to make it un drinkable) otherwise you have to pay the ridiculous alcohol duty which make 99% alcohol very expensive, in the region of 80 euro's a litre, so it's not a great option. Bitrex is a common additive which is a salt and leaves a very bitter residue when you evaporate it, the other additive is methanol which although it should evaporate is very nasty stuff. As for butane I never see the level of refinement on the stuff over here so I am a bit dubious about using it.
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  10. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Also, I use 100% ISO, the less water, the better. Solvents with slight water content are sometimes called for (ethanol winterization really can save a botched run), but should be avoided when you are first sacrificing your nugs to the solvent gods! 99% ISO will still be great though.
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  11. hishighness

    hishighness Well-Known Member

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    The industry goes with what it knows and what is profitable, ie: if it ain't broke don't fix it. A few years ago I remember everyone wanted to whip their bho but now that's generally frowned upon since it releases terpenes. In 5-10 years people might gawk at the fact that we even inhaled something with solvent in it instead of pure ice wax. Regardless, just because all the industry does something doesn't mean it's the best method (at least in an emerging industry like extracts).

    In the end the solvent really shouldn't matter since the point of making wax is to remove it all; so you should just do whatever makes most economic sense for you. Butane, ethanol, and iso can all be turn into delicious golden shatter when purged correctly and made with the right buds.

    Personally I do washes instead of blasting just because I use 100% kief which has no airflow for a butane run.
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  12. kingtut106

    kingtut106 Well-Known Member

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    I can guarantee the ability to distinguish top shelf qwiso vs bho solely based on appearance and feel. As for taste I won't even get into that because it is a pointless argument that is user based as long as your solvent is properly purged.

    Please tell me how someone could run 5 pounds of nug using qwiso in a jar faster than a person running 5 pounds in a sweetleaf extractor. Also single solvent dewaxing using butane yields some of the best product. ISO makes for an awful dewaxing solvent, even though you will probably say there is no need to dewax using ISO if you technique is proper. Dewaxing is a critical step when stepping up to the top shelf extracts level. You can get a great product with any solvent, but you can only get the best with one solvent and that is no qwiso.

    I guess I kind of agree with your statement saying just because everyone is doing it doesn't me it is right, but can you please inform me when the last time a qwiso batch won best concentrate at the cup.

    If anyone think their qwiso is so great send me a sample I will enter it in the secret cup in RI and you can compete with the butane extracts.
  13. DrRishi

    DrRishi Member

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    I think there is a huge difference between someone wanting to process 5 lbs of material and the hobbyist. I am assuming that most people on this forum are here for there own pleasure and not for commercial success. The biggest batch I am ever likely to process is maybe 50 grams and I enjoy the whole process. I am not in a hurry it's a hobby. And the only reason I may get up to 50 grams is because my other hobby is growing it! Just put 15 grams premium cured bud in the freezer for my next golden run.

    I have tried dewaxing one batch of QWISO. The result after 2 days in the freezer was nothing. I put it through a coffee filter and there was nothing in the filter.
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  14. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Dude, I live outside of the US. Sending concentrates ain't gonna happen. I would have gladly taken the pepsi challenge already otherwise ;)

    I winterize all of my extracts, although very little ends up filtered out during this process.

    Again, this is not your usual qwiso.

    Edit: Whoever said anything about using a jar? ;)

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  15. hishighness

    hishighness Well-Known Member

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    No disrespect here but I call bullshit on the abillity to distinguish QWISO/BHO. How exactly would you go about doing that? What would you look for? I used to be of the same opinion as you but the reason I got into QWET was after seeing so many people on here come out with such good-looking shatter. Just last week I pumped out some QWET that was hard as glass, now I've seen many many many different shatters/waxes/crumbles but if I hadn't made that shatter I would have had no idea it wasn't butane run and that was literally my very first time vacuum purging ever. Color comes from the bud quality and texture comes from purging practices -> ethanol/iso/butane does nothing other than bind and then evaporate.

    re: how would someone do an industry sized wash, well we don't know because no one in the industry has done it yet - and the reason no one has tried it is because why should they? No point in spending $100,000 on something that "might" work better when you can just get an extractor you know will work fine. You're saying you don't think a machine exists that would hold material/alcohol in the top chamber and then immediately drain on a timer? That's really all you need. It may be that you're right and butane is much more more efficient when on a large scale but that still doesn't make it any "better" than a wash method.

    re: secret cup entry, that's a bs way to compare seeing as all those companies have personal growers that supply them with bud/trim specifically grown (cut early) for wax to make that perfect blonde color. I'm just a guy with a vac oven and cheap kief.

    You say "You can get a great product with any solvent, but you can only get the best with one solvent and that is no qwiso." Well what exactly is the difference? What is "the best" BHO doing that QWET/ISO is failing at?

    Going back to your first post you say "I'm sure a person can make good qwiso" which implies to me that you've never even seen real qwiso/qwet, have you or are you just making assumptions?

    Edit: and sorry this turned into a wall of text but I just feel as though there's this negative stigma around QWISO, that it all looks like this which is just untrue. First time I ever had qwiso it looked just like that black goop and really turned me away from iso until I saw herbivore and others consistently making good-looking stable shatter.

    An analogy would be indoor growers using sea of green vs. scrog - each has its pros/cons but ultimately it's up to the skill of the grower and his technique. I personally really don't care what solvent a guy uses so long as he's purging at 90*F under vacuum. Love is love and solvent is solvent :2c:

    edit2: Jesus this shit is long!
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  16. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    Herbivore I like your stuff a lot from the pics and I use ethanol myself.

    Are you seriously claiming you have a secret technique that is different from others but you won't share? IMO there is quite enough of that going on already. Seems crazy that people won't share their methods.
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  17. kingtut106

    kingtut106 Well-Known Member

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    Hard as glass is not ideal for extracts, that is the main difference from qwiso that I have made and butane. If you can't reform your shatter at room temperature you ruined your terpene profile. Have any of you making qwiso ever had your stuff lab tested for terpenes and residual solvent? I doubt you can pull a complete terpene profile using qwiso, but please send some to a lab and prove me wrong.
  18. Frederick McGuire

    Frederick McGuire Aggressively Loungey

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    @kingtut106 :
    "Hard as glass is not ideal for extracts"
    Says who? Why?

    "If you can't reform your shatter at room temperature you ruined your terpene profile"
    Says who? Why?

    "Have any of you making qwiso ever had your stuff lab tested for terpenes and residual solvent?"
    Lab testing just isn't an option for many of us...
    Also, has anyone ever heard of an individual actually getting something lab tested? I always just assumed it was something only dispensaries did?

    "I doubt you can pull a complete terpene profile using qwiso"
    Why?
    Do you believe you can pull a complete terpene profile with butane?
    If so, why? If not, why is this a negative point against ISO, and not just solvents in general?

    "please send some to a lab and prove me wrong."
    Or, how's about you learn a great QWISO tech, make your own examples of top shelf BHO and QWISO, then send your stuff to a lab and back up what you're saying?
    Or I dunno, maybe even just some scientific theory behind your statement?

    You can't just throw out "facts" then just tell other people to find the evidence to price you wrong, that's not how logic works... I'm getting a big Russell's teapot vibe from ya :(

    And I can tell you, I've recently had some very nice BHO, and some very nice QWISO made from the same buds, and I would be unable to tell the difference between them based on taste, texture, appearance, or potency...
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  19. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    I personally got my QWET tested but the lab in MA that I trust doesn't do residual testing, only THC/CBD content.
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  20. kingtut106

    kingtut106 Well-Known Member

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    Alcohols leave behind terpenes resulting in making BHO less floral with a lower terpene profile, icmag is a great forum that has extraction artists talking about techniques. They have the necessary funding to do things properly and test their product. ISO is an extremely harsh solvent that is why wash times are reduced to times under 30 seconds to produce a similar concentrate to BHO. If wash times were increased you would be destroying your buds and product.

    I have picked up freshly made BHO with a high terpene count and it is playable. If you let your shatter sit around it will lose terpenes resulting in a harder product. I'm pretty sure everybody would want the fresh stuff that tastes better. I know my BHO does have a complete terpene profile because it has been lab tested, I can't speak for ISO because I don't know a lab that produces the product for me to buy. I used to make my own concentrates, but it was less effective in terms of money and my time so I no longer do. Why would I make something with my few hundred setup when I can buy it from a lab that has invested six figures and uses properly cut and cured product.

    Almost any testing laboratory will accept samples from individuals you just need to pay the fee, which is costly, but if you care about what you are using for medicine individuals have done it.
  21. 93gc40

    93gc40 New Member

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    Most of the Medical concentrate around here is CO2 extraction....

    I voted BHO, based on preference and DIY. Don't like taste of ISO extract. Guess if I had more available or bags I would have voted for bubble.
  22. z9

    z9 Well-Known Member

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    I started out making QWISO, I was getting very high quality concentrates but the taste and aroma is extremely weak compared to QWET, much less BHO. I prefer QWET washes, but I do a BHO mason jar soak/QWET hybrid when I do my runs now for convenience. Nothing's easier than doing a mason jar soak using butane...
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  23. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    I still prefer the flavor of QWET over anything else, but I believe BHO tastes better than any QWISO I've had, but I don't know maybe these secret techniques are real? I don't doubt there are people who can make FAR better QWISO than I can.


    Everything about QWET is best for me though. Flammable instead of explosive, amazing flavor (beats all BHO I've personally tried or made) and its a food grade solvent that some sickos actually drink by the glass.

    IMO its the ideal solvent of those 3.

    I'd still love to try some full melt bubble some day, and definitely need to try CO2.
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  24. 2clicker

    2clicker for your health

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    i have not personally used this product yet but i think that KleenXtract is a game changer.

    i am all qwet myself. esp now with 200 proof ethanol!
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  25. 063_XOBX

    063_XOBX Ganjapreneur

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    I hope so, I ordered a quart after I saw your post a couple days ago.

    Based on my reading I should be able to run a QP (split over 8 runs to improve on what I learn from each previous one) for less than $40.
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