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PBW & the Chemistry of Clean

Discussion in 'Glass' started by t-dub, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    You guys should try citric acid or vinegar as a rinse agent
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  2. Monsoon

    Monsoon Well-Known Member

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    Still using the PBW to clean my Sublimator atomizer. I've shortened the time to 5 minutes per soak and mix 1/2 tsp into the water and another 1/2 tsp into the atty itself. Usually 2-3 soaks along with some scraping and rinsing is enough to get it clean again.

    I've been using it with great results other places too. I use it in my sinks and bathtub, just fill it with hot water and several tsp's of powder and it gets most of the grime. I've also poured some down the drains and they're all working better after.
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  3. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    Enjoy!!!
    before and after pbw!!!

    Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, and most importantly Thank you @t-dub
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  4. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl i i i

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    Still have a TON of PBW, enough probably to last me the next few years. I switched to distilled water for my water pieces and now I only have to run hot water through the glass to bring it up to temp and then add warm 91% ISO to clean. My vapes don't let little bits of material through, so that might play into my situation. I've also been using my Solo dry mostly due to minimal irritation.
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  5. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    I had not cleaned my piece since I got the lotus , then the nano. I Iso cleaned it and there were oil stains I could not get out (%70iso) , I PBW soaked for 15-20 minutes and boiling hot water and it all came out. I only vape thru this piece so its weird that it got that stained, I use filtered drinking water but I suppose distilled is even better, or how about some kangen water lol lol whats the perfect ph balance for vaping ???lol lol
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  6. olivianewtonjohn

    olivianewtonjohn Well-Known Member

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    Wow respect for a sick song. First it was blackalicious now you have slightly stupid? Oh yeah reminded me that I need to go get some PBW to try.
  7. Tweak

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    I seen you're video the other day and thought that had to be from combustion or dabs, impressive :clap:. Do you at least change the water?

    As much as I like my clean bubbler, RezBlock + daily clean is getting to be a PITA. I sit down and get my vapes ready just to discover I forget to rinse my bubbler, ugh.

    I've thought about just switching to plain water and letting my bubbler go, see if I can get mine as dirty as your's. But every time I attempt to it drives me nuts and I clean it. Does all that reclaim effect the taste much?

    Maybe I'll try it with my DHGate piece, if it ever gets here. There is always some PBW to save me.
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  8. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    Manufacturers actually add stuff like minerals to bottled water to give it better taste and "mouth feel". This will stick to your glass as the water dries and evaporates causing a white film to build up, just like our shitty ass so cal tap water. Distilled water has none of this and will dry perfectly clear.

    I've taken to rinsing out my piece in the tap then washing it out with some distilled water after each use (only use it with distilled as well obviously). Seems to work pretty well so far.

    Also I know its like a dollar per gallon for this stuff but if you want to be frugal:

    http://m.wikihow.com/Make-Distilled-Water
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  9. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    :clap::rockon::rockon::rockon:Thank you!!!!
    Nope no combustion, at all,I just like to push the vapes as hard as I can to show its potential.
    I use my piece heavily with my vapes, but I also prefer dabs thru it , so its a combination of oils and herb matter. The iso didnt do the trick but pbw got all those hard water staines out plus the oil stains as well.
    Looks like daily cleaning is the key or rez block as you mentioned.
    I hope to get my custom recycler soon that will be dedicated to my herbs or maybe dabs not sure yet, but one will be for herb and one piece will be dabs.


    Iam on slightly stoopid kick as we speak, :clap::clap::clap:
    :rockon: I love blackalicious, Thanks for the feedback!!!!:nod::nod:

    Yes get some pwb and soak to get spotless.
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  10. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    Wondering if anyone tried that jetdry stuff you add to dishwashers to get rid of and prevent hard water stains...

    No idea if it requires a heated dry cycle to work tho.
  11. brucebannor

    brucebannor The Cheshire Cat

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    Yup, many people in the glass appreciation groups try it. It works but it's too much hassle to keep up with, and it's completely unnecessary with PBW as it already has chelators to deal with hard-water. Almost always comes down to the better options are light rinse with cold distilled water after cleaning and the occasional white vinegar rinse if you notice any build up.

    JetDry also seems to make the glass slippery before it dries, so that makes it less popular.
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  12. chimpybits

    chimpybits Well-Known Member

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    Yep I haven't used ISO for my water tools in ages. I clean with PBW every so often (approx weekly), work in occasional quick rinse/water change when I'm so inclined and always rinse then fill with distilled water and a few drops of cran extract Botanic Choice. Works very well for me so far.

    The cost of the distilled water does add up and I should try to just make some.
  13. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    I tried JetDry ONCE . . . never again. Really slippery and it completely screwed up the bubble stacking on the piece, killed it, until I finally got it off the glass . . .
  14. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    Hi guys, I'm far from an expert on cleaning glass so I'm looking for some advice. I got my old combustion bong spic n span a while back, and have been catching up on other cleaning tasks since I want to sell some stuff and I'm bored on a t-break.

    I've gone through all my stuff with iso, and used grunge-off with great success for my small ssv spiral bubbler which was inaccessible and nasty. I've got some pbw but haven't tried it yet, and was thinking of using it diluted as a rinsing agent for the glass I've already cleaned. Or would a rock salt dilution be better for this (final rinse), I have no experience with it either but I have some.

    My other question concerns my pinnacle hydrotube with its painted logo. It won't hold enough liquid so I assume it will need soaking, and it has to be something strong because I can't access the inside of it for scrubbing. But if I soak it in something strong I would worry about the painted logo getting messed up. So what's the strongest stuff I can soak it in without screwing up the paint?

    I wish I had a cork for the top of the pnp tube, it would certainly simplify things :science:!

    edit: I figured it out, 99% clean anyways. But I'm still not sure when to use what for what. I know I want to use iso if I want to reclaim, but after that there's pbw, grunge off, and rock salt and I was just wondering how you guys decide when to use what.
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  15. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    I only use hot water rinses now since I am using cranberry extract (RezBlock) and my HT flush device. When I need more than that, out comes the PBW. Keep the sessions hot and short and rinse well. Repeat until you are happy . . . :D
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  16. brucebannor

    brucebannor The Cheshire Cat

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    To my knowledge salt is only used as something abrasive inside the glass (particularly with ISO because the salt doesn't dissolve in alcohol). PBW is biodegradable but it's a high alkali so I wouldn't want to leave that on my glass. You're supposed to rinse it when brewing so I don't see why we wouldn't want to as well. For the final rinse; preferably use distilled water, iso works if you let it evaporate (it can take a while) or as a last resort just use cold water. Hot water leaves more deposits than the same water but cold.

    PBW is strong enough to clean your PNWT. It's designed as a soaking cleaner to be used without scrubbing, in-fact that's why PBW has chelators. If you have hard-water and soak your glass over-night you'll get mineral buildup so it prevents that. I don't think you need to worry about the labels as their lead based, you'd need some serious acid to take those off.

    Simple Green is another popular, relatively inexpensive cleaner that people use on glass. Works just as well if not better than grunge-off and you'll get a huge gallon jug for the same price or less than a small bottle of grunge-off.
  17. vape4health

    vape4health Well-Known Member

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    After like a 3 day soak I (stained) a wine carboy with PBW. The carboy was purchased used with others and this one was nasty, something was aloud to dry inside. After a few attempts at cleaning with a drill mounted carboy brush I said fuck it and just filled it with fresh PBW and let it sit over a weekend. Now it has a white line at the water level that I can't get off, I haven't tried any tricks like vinegar but I think I still have that carboy somewhere. After the fact I read a few brewers saying not to do prolonged soaks like that, live and learn.
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  18. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl i i i

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    I keep reading that the white stains are from hard water and PBW. Vinegar of some sort seems to do the trick.
  19. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    Thanks for all your thoughts :tup:!
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  20. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Only other thing I can think of is this: The cheapest label I ever experimented with was on my Zob. After experimenting some of the green did come off on a paper towel and it is slightly lighter, but thats it. No effects on quality, baked on, labels. Old pic . . .

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  21. didolgi

    didolgi Well-Known Member

    Hi - I can't thank the people who created this thread and told us about the wonders of PBW enough!!!! I am a fairly new (less than a year) user of medical marijuana and its thanks to this forum that I've been able to learn and get off pain killers! I had been using RO water in my bubbler, and I rinsed it daily, with weekly sessions of Grunge Off. I thought I'd been taking good care of it, but after several days away I returned to a 100% dry and nasty looking bubbler! I never thought about the hard water we have here in LA. I'd been rinsing with tap water!!!! I'll let the photos speak for themselves.... This was two 15min soaks in PBW. I am amazed!
    Of course, with what I've learned in this thread I will be taking much better care of it.

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  22. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl i i i

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    Distilled water is pretty cheap if you buy it or make it. I use it now, love my small pieces that need little water for that reason. Yeah, the water is kinda shitty around here... at least the view is nice? :D
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  23. syrupy

    syrupy Where the gas is greener.

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    I've tried those methods and even had a still at one point. I must say, it takes FOREVER to make distilled water. I'm guessing it was more expensive running the stove that long, than just buying distilled by the gallon. The still looked cool as anything though. :)
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  24. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    True. I should point out that I never make my own. Its literally a buck per gallon to just buy.
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  25. Shrike

    Shrike EVOlved & Waiting to 'Hop

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    88 cents/gal in Wally World...

    My usual place to stock up on distilled...:)

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