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Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by 215z, Jul 31, 2014.

  1. 215z

    215z Well-Known Member

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    Hi all!

    I'm looking to get a heat injector. But, I suck at using log vapes. I had a Vapor Brothers 8 years ago, and could never get the technique down. I saw videos of the VXL Evo and its ELB's, and I'm smitten. The ELB's are everything I want in a flower/hash vape. No stirring, poking, and repacking.

    Is the Evo the best way, or the only way to use ELBs?

    Is there another heat injector I can use with ELB's? I would not shell out for the Evo, if there is another device I could use that is easier to replace/repair when it breaks.

    I see alot of videos of people using their log vapes with their bongs - so I only folks are happy. But does it take the same technique (that I lack) involving log vapes? I never could get all my green to evenly vape, and the Evo makes the process look easy for dummies.

    Thank you for the help
     
  2. Ratchett

    Ratchett Delta 3D Studios Designer Accessory Maker

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    I think a few of us would agree that if you're interested at all in log vapes - consider the E-nano - I think it's fair to call it the "poor man's EVO".

    When it's up to temperature, the Nano can put out some SEROUS heat on tap. Of the few different vaporizers I have, I always use the E-nano with my combusting friends because it's so damn efficient and easy to use!

    E-Nano's are so easy to use with a bubbler it's ridiculous (and smaller than the EVO, so it pairs well with glass). - Simply toss a GonG stem on the bubbler loaded with some herb, and toss the nano on top - voila, simple as that. I was leery of Log vapes to begin with, but quickly changed my tune the day I got my Nano.

    Also from a durability standpoint, the Nano is hands down more durable. It's a simple elegant design, but extremely reliable, there are no parts to break from sudden impacts. Whereas the EVO has a delicate glass vapor path which must be shipped out for repairs if broken.

    I'd say quit searching and buy a Nano - you won't regret it! I actually went and bought a second one in some exotic Afzelia burl from @Snappo - you can't do that with an EVO!
     
  3. 215z

    215z Well-Known Member

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    My concern is getting even convection and complete extraction without constant stirring and repacking of wands. That's what turned me off the VB and kept me combusting all those years ago.

    Has log vape technology improved so that air circulates completely around the packed bud, or can air circulate the bud around the airstream (like with Evo)?

    Also, am I wrong in comparing the Evo to other log vapes (isn't a Solo a log vape too?), is it special in some way I'm not comprehending? Or is it just the ELBs that make the difference for me? If so, can you confirm if I can use ELB's or something similar with the Nano?

    Sorry for all the questions, thank you in advance for taking the time to answer them.
     
  4. Ratchett

    Ratchett Delta 3D Studios Designer Accessory Maker

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    First off, I think you need to understand the VapeBrothers vape and the E-Nano are different designs. One has no temperature regulation, the other does. One sits at a 45 degree angle, the other can be used really at any angle you want/need. I personally had a VB knockoff about 7 years ago, HATED it - tried to use it when my first true vape died after fucking combustion. STILL hated it - it's something to do with the angle and the placement of the herb in relation to the heat. You simply can't compare the two - while a session with my knockoff VB would take forever and still not fully vape the herb, the Nano is a CHAMP - massive clouds from so little herb.

    The E-nano is pretty much as simple as you can get for a convection vape. It's a long ceramic heating element inside a stainless steel tube. With your GonG stem placed on the stainless steel tube. The heat is directed down through the center of your herb. When I finish my first good draw, you can clearly see the load is perfectly cooked in the center. Air circulation around the load is determined by how dense your material is and how tight you pack it, and how close the herb is to the heat port (adjustable basket screen can be moved up or down to change load sizes and distance from heat)

    Typically I do need to stir once or twice to get it fully evenly vaped. But If you LOATHE stirring, you can heat-soak the GonG stem before starting your hit. This allows the heat to build inside the glass stem, and therefore introduce a bit more conduction heating to the mix (produces more even brown color throughout the load, and bigger milky clouds in your bubbler).

    No, I would not consider the Solo a "Log" vape, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. The whole key to a log vape is it's simple low-tech design. The Nano and other similar log vapes have no temperature control system to monitor and regulate the heat. They are merely a heating element, with a voltage controller to determine how much juice to send to the heater. Trial and error by users have found that typically the Nano vapes dry herbs between 6.0 and 7.5. Going to 9 or 10 will cause combustion. When vaping reclaim I set it to 8 for massive clouds. Additionally, the wood used on the exterior of log vapes is an insulator. It helps trap the heat and "pre-heat" the air before it enters into the heating tube.

    No, you cannot use ELB's in the Nano, but you can pre-load a bunch of GonG stems if you have extras..... The nice part is these are replaceable, and cheap - it's the only part of the Nano which might break. Seriously, with the removable cord on the V2 Nano, there's really no way you can break the nano itself...
     
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  5. z9

    z9 Well-Known Member

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    @215z You can't fairly compare a log to an EVO. Hell for that matter, you can't fairly compare a Solo to the current logs on the market (E-Nano, UD, HI) IMO - the Solo might be similar in use to PD's or Rock Zaps but it can't match the airflow and power the newer logs have. I loved my E-Nanos (yes, I liked them so much I had two) and they hit hard, really hard for their size but they can't stand up to the Cloud. You have to pack an bowl/stem/gong and stir with with almost every vape on the market be it log vaporizers or 7th Floor products (LSV, SSV, DBV). Any log vape or even a heavy hitter like the LSV is going to create a hotspot in your load, the most experienced users can minimize this but its going to happen no matter what because of their design. Heatsoak or not, you will never overcome the hotspotting. With that being said, the E-Nano allowed me to completely kick combustion. The Nano is a great, durable little device that can really hold its own against much larger desktops. Like @Ratchett said, there's almost no way to damage the new E-Nanos with removable cord. You may break gong and stems but never your vape.

    I believe that some people successfully use ELB's with the LSV, but I may be wrong. The LSV/SSV are the only direct-draw vapes I've tried that can match the vapor output of a Cloud but there is a learning curve. I haven't tried a sub and I'm not including fan assisted vaporizers when I say this.


    I now have an OG Cloud and EVO and I love them both. The OG Cloud is the most mindless vape I have ever used, zero technique - just dense clouds every time. There was absolutely no learning curve to speak of as I jumped from an E-Nano and UD to an OG Cloud. The EVO does require some technique, but it will create and even roast no matter what you do. The ELB's drew me to the cloud as well, I was tired of hot spotting and stirring, breakable stems, replacing screens, screen placement, etc. The design of the Cloud's airpath and use of ELB's create the lovely, even roast and big hits that they're renowned for - I don't think the same roast is obtainable from any other direct-draw vape on the market (withholding the Sub based on videos of it) without agitating the load during use, especially a log vape.

    Check out the LSV or look for a used Cloud in the classifieds if you don't want to jump in to an EVO - IMO the OG Cloud still holds its own in the big hit department
     
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