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Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by SunnyHours, Jun 6, 2014.

  1. SunnyHours

    SunnyHours Well-Known Member

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    I was going to start a new thread similar to this thread, so here it goes. I've been to multiple doctors for my back problems and joint problems, and more recently for my anxiety and ADD.

    Since it was mental I was asked my drug history, and every time I told a doctor or psychiatrist I was told the same thing...that I should stop and it's probably a big part of my problem, or they don't say it but the way they looked at me says it all.

    One time I told them I was vaping 130mg (0.13g) a day. I told her I was using it medicinally for my back pain and anxiety. She asked me if I ever thought about Rehab. LOL

    Any others have experiences like that?
     
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  2. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu i don't ever wanna go to bed

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    I have back and neck problems, and shoulder joint weakness and the constant need to stretch to relieve it temporarily. It's terrible, but I can say one thing with absolute certainty, smoking weed was a great help when I used to do it. That wouldn't be the cause.. And as for ADD and Anxiety.. Seriously who hasn't been diagnosed with that. I was a visual learner, smartass and a bit hypo in school because I was bored with life at home and messed around in class because I wasn't coping well with my parents while they were in the process of a nasty separation. They pinned me with ADD because apparently meds were the only thing that could keep me calm.. Nobody every bothered to talk to me about it, they just assume. ADD isn't real, it's not a chemical inbalance, it's not a disorder, its just a bit of extra energy or a different type of mind. It has its advantages and its disadvantages just like every other trait that a human can have. Don't worry about that shit man :)

    And as for anxiety, it's something you have to work on, and you have to work hard to get through it. Im still trying, and it takes time. Stay strong.
     
  3. MuushuPork

    MuushuPork Well-Known Member

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    I was diagnosed with ADD at the ripe old age of 19. I was diagnosed by being asked 7 of the most generalized, generic questions I can imagine. One of them was "are you depressed?".

    just my exp.


    EDIT: If you look up Testosterone and mmj you see it says heavy use can effect sperm count and testosterone, but they mean smoking and not vaping. And Im very sure there is a huge difference.
     
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  4. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Sorry DV, but THAT is bullshit. ADD can be totally debilitating and CAN have a very negative affect on ones life, and this is coming from one who has it, and who one of his twin sons have it and to play it down as "just a bit of extra energy" is a slap in the face to those who have had deal with it or those that do have to deal with it, as nothing more than an just annoying fly.

    For YOU, it may have just been a minor annoyance but for others, it can be sooooo much more than that.

    It just this kind of thinking that really needs to stop in regards to mental illnesses and mental abnormalities.

    I'm curious. Do you also believe that one who is on the manic side of a bipolar episode is experiencing "just a bit of extra energy" or one who is depressed is experiencing just a bit of lack of energy or that one who has dyslexia just sees the world in a different way and therefore doesn't need the training to overcome it or one who is schizophrenic just has the ability to peer into another dimension.

    Sorry to come off a bit strong here, but you hit too close to home with that statement.

    ADD is VERY real, IS a chemical imbalance, and IS a disorder AND much like any other type of mental or physical disability or illness, there is a wide variance on how debilitating it can be.
     
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  5. SunnyHours

    SunnyHours Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, I'm having so much trouble because of my ADD...I can't keep a job and I feel worthless, I also have no memory...granted it might be something else like CFS since I'm always tired and unmotivated...

    I don't think ADD is being "Lazy"...since I'm so far past "Lazy"...it's much harder than you think....
     
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  6. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu i don't ever wanna go to bed

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    I'll first just share my own personal experience with it, and I will also confess that I haven't done years of study and research on it, but my partner also was diagnosed with it as a child, and then again as a teen and she was a nutcase. She has since changed her diet and stopped taking the medication and it's effectively made her a lot more calm, and she is learning techniques every day to quell her erratic, incessantly thinking and hyperactive side while still embracing them and using it to her advantage.
    Now that being said, it may again be a case of falsely diagnosed ADD, but it may also mean that she shares similar symptoms as yourself and that it is actually just a type of person and NOT that there is something wrong with you.

    Feeling worthless isn't attributed to ADD, that it some kinks that you have to work through as a masseuse would work through knots in your back or something. It's not easy man and even I feel that way on most days. Inbox me and we can talk through it and raise your self esteem. Even a bit of a chat every day will see a difference, and I'll share some tricks that I try to use every day to change the mental habits of feeling that way.

    My memory sucks balls as well dude. I forget the tiniest things. i thought it was because I took drugs for like 5 years, but that isn't it. To be honest, I never cared. I often live a very placid and careless life (while still active and with a lot of pressure) but I have to accept that I won't remember most people I meet in the day and an array of other 'important' things. Luckily my partner has a god memory and she keeps me in check. That is my cure. It is in that different light that I don't see it as a disability. We are all different and that's just the way it is. Fuck memory. We don't need to remember things as well as others. It helps you live more in the moment anyway :)

    And as for being unmotivated, i'd say that stems from having lack of responsibility as a child, or not being eased into it slowly and instead just being heaped with the weight of the world one day. I know a lot of people, including myself, that were in that situation as kids and now lose motivation easily or do now know how to build it up and maintain it themselves.

    I don't think that way about schizophrenia and other serious disorders, but I don't like to think of them as a disorder or ailment. We are all the way we are, and being diagnosed or labeled does not mean you are going to die and it does not change who you are. Sometimes nothing can change it. There is medication for serious things, but I think there are also always herbal remedies to combat those same negative traits that we either do not associate with, or do not find useful in our lives (like hallucinations, or anxiety) but with smaller things like memory loss, feelings of low self-worth, etc; I believe you are no different to the next person. Why mentally place yourself at a handicap and believe that there is something wrong with you for your whole life? You only get one, enjoy it! There is an absolute multitude of celebrities, successful people, and HAPPY people who are diagnosed with severe ADHD, OCD and all of these other mental disabilities that simply thrive as a result of their own individual fixation on ONE thing, their incessant internal dialogue, their dedication, hyperactivity, annoying nature (comedians) and other traits that the western medicine world would have you believe needs to be stunted with a pill.

    In your eyes this may all be belittling a serious thing, but that's just how I feel and I can guarantee you I am far from a normal person. On some days I believe I was UNDER-diagnosed in regards to my depression, anxiety and ADD, but on most days I know that it's who I am and you can't label a single aspect the ever-changing liquid state of human consciousness.
    I hope I haven't offended you, it wasn't my intention! Hopefully this at least explains my train of thought when I say things like that which can be perceived as VERY out-of-line and closed minded.

    Peace out brother.
     
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  7. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Just because you have had some success in dealing with ADD and have made some personal adjustments in how you view your own self-worth to allow that to happen does not mean that "ADD isn't real, it's not a chemical imbalance, it's not a disorder". All it means is that you have had some success in dealing with it as have many others.

    Kinda like Dyslexia. Some VERY successful people have Dyslexia and have learned various techniques on how to deal with it but that doesn't mean that it's not real, or that it's not a disorder.

    See the following list:
    http://www.dyslexia.com/famous.htm

    And I have no doubt that the list for ADD is just as long with just as many successful people on it as well.
     
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  8. SunnyHours

    SunnyHours Well-Known Member

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    It is true that some people that are diagnosed with ADD or ADHD in truth only have minor traits of it, which pretty much everyone has.

    And to tell you the truth, up until recently I thought I was in that group. But strangely enough the more things go and the more I fail. And each time I fail my anxiety towards my future climbs toward the roof, and as that anxiety becomes worse, my concentration and memory takes a dive. After a while and many failures, it's hard to get back up only to know you'll fall again tomorrow. For now, I need to change something before I get back up because things just aren't working.

    I don't believe in ghosts but I believe in ADD :rofl:
     
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  9. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu i don't ever wanna go to bed

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    Well really, what is real.. It's just a name for a generalised series of personality traits which is often inaccurate. Whatever, ADD is legitimate. It's just best not to associate who you are with ADD. It just reinforces the negatives & builds an ego around it.

    Yeah fair enough, I respect that.
     
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  10. SunnyHours

    SunnyHours Well-Known Member

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    Just to be clear, when I said I wanted to make a new thread, it wasn't about ADD...
    I wanted it to be about the Medical Field refusing to see any use as being therapeutic hehe
    P.S: A moderator opened this thread, I didn't make it...
     
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  11. Ox45

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    I also have really bad ADD, since I was in elementary school. Luckily I'm a web developer so weed and design go hand and hand when it comes to creativity. However there's day I just cant seem to focus or concentrate on one task and MJ makes it a bit worse.

    What helps me if need to get a project done, I get up early in the morning around 6:30am, head over to starbucks, throw on my headphones and get a coffee, work my ass off for about 4 hours straight. Then I reward myself with MJ when I get home.

    I had to stop working from home because I would just vape MJ all day and troll on youtube without getting any work done.
     
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  12. PoisonousHydra

    PoisonousHydra MMPR Patient

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    Since you're a fellow Canadian, and I happen to be a patient under the MMPR system, I will give you by far the best link I've found discussing all aspects of cannabis from a medicinal perspective, straight from our government themselves. Unfortunately, I do not see any mention of ADD, or ADHD, specifically.

    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/med/infoprof-eng.php
     
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  13. Crumpet

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    I got into MJ two years ago (and am also a Canadian patient under the MMPR program) specifically to HELP with some of my ADD traits.

    It's possible that you might be using strains that exacerbate some of your less desirable ADD traits. Have you tried anything you know for sure to be a good strong sativa? I find that good sativas help my focus (as long as I don't overdo it!) and enable me to be much more productive with my work. If I overdo it or accidentally reach for an indica jar, then forget trying to get any work done for a while...
     
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  14. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!" Accessory Maker

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    Been a special education teacher for a lot of years, and can tell you unequivocally that ADD & ADHD are VERY REAL and can be academically as well as emotionally debilitating. Severely ADD/ADHD kids are akin to Klingon children - they are alien in emotional, attitudinal, intellectual & energetic nature. Society is ill equipped to deal with it competently because it is little understood. Medications can ameliorate the overt condition of the child to a manageable degree, whereupon a child is transformed to an educable state of mind - and over time with maturation can be weaned off the meds if also supplemented with good cognitive modeling and conditioning to offset the condition. Adult ADD is also very real, and can manifest in a wide variety of ways. I can personally attest to that. Ever get into an interesting conversation with a friend and without notice find yourself/your mind off in a completely different train of thought for a while, only to have to force-snap yourself/attention back into the present moment and try to catch up courteously? This is one example of an ADD episode - distraction. Many, like myself, do however reap some benefits from the condition - competency in multi-tasking. I live with it in so many ways - it is a part of who I am and my individuality. No shame, no blame - I make the best of it, and there are some good things about it too. Anyway, don't get me started - I could write volumes - as an educator and as an individual with personal experience. BTW: Good sativa dominants work well for me, like coffee calms kids under 5 yrs. My thoughts form better without the distractability that can cause mental/emotional interference. It flips a switch in my brain that also majorly alters my often judgmental thought processes for better balance in fairness and tolerance. Etc......
     
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  15. SunnyHours

    SunnyHours Well-Known Member

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    I don't know man, I've had a fucked up childhood, so it might be a multitude of things. I had tons of responsibilities though cuz from 12yo I had to take care of my alcoholic father and keep him out of trouble. I never had good grades because I had to stay up late to keep an eye on my Dad, or sometimes he'd even come to wake me up. The sad thing is that even though I took care of him all these years, now he's clean, I'm the one in trouble and he can't be bothered to help me out...
    Goes to show that some people shouldn't or at least do not deserve to be helped!
     
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  16. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu i don't ever wanna go to bed

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    Don't worry about it man! It shows excellent character and goodwill that you helped him out, even as a child you made the conscious decision to be a good support for him. The thing about good-doing however, is that you can't expect anything in return, because it just leads to disappointment and spoils the selfless and pure act of giving / helping out. We are all here for you anyway so fuck him and his sobriety haha. He just isn't a helpful person and therefore isn't worth the time of day to even think about him.


    and Snappo.

    I never considered it from that point of view, and when you put it that way; yes there are a lot of SERIOUSLY afflicted sufferers of ADD/ADHD. It's a tricky one because as you said (quite eloquently as well!) that society is ill equiped to deal with it, while ironically society is the thing that produces it. All of the hormones and chemicals in food, baby formula, medicine, all of the incessant TV and technology that has worked its say into the human way-of-life.. It's a shame, but I hope we move towards treating it and respecting it for what it is instead of prescribing Ritalin. Parents are the main ones who need to change their attitude on the matter because if they have never considered the fact that their child will be born with (or develop) a mental disability; they will never be prepared to deal with it as a good parent should!
     
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