Little Known History Stuff (They don't mention this in school)

gaseous_clay

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I love little facts from history that you come across and say "Yeah, they forgot to mention THAT in history class!"

Since it was just US Independence Day, dig this.

George Washington not only was the leader of the Continental Army, but he helped to create the whole reason the war started.

"No Taxation Without Representation."

Parliament levied the tax to pay for the French and Indian War. They figured the war was for the Colonies, so why should London foot the bill? There was a lot going on that led to the war, but a 21 year old British Major named George Washington (who was ordered to act defensively, but had the authority to act) made a surprise attack that was one of the keys to starting the war.

So Washington kicked off the war that led to the conditions that started another war, which led to his being President of the new nation.

That kinda makes him both the father and grandfather of the US!
 

Farid

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I think it's interesting that Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, King George V of England, and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia were all cousins, yet they were all leaders on different sides of WWI.

It's also crazy that during the Iran Iraq war, we helped Saddam gas Iranian troops, providing him with satellite imaging from US intelligence satellites showing Iranian troop movements. We even went as far as sending intelligence analysts to Iraq to help Saddam's army interpret the images and to make sure the artillery sending the gas would be on target. Pretty nuts when you consider that his use and possession of chemical weapons was the justification for invading in 2003.

A more recent thing that I find interesting is that in Syria, there has been fighting between groups sponsored by the DOD and groups sponsored by the CIA. The CIA is sponsoring Salafist rebels, while the DOD is sponsoring the SDF, a Kurdish dominated rebel faction. As somebody who supports the Syrian government, seeing American tax dollars spent on funding 2 different rebel factions is infuriating. It validates the conspiracy theory that the US does not want peace in Syria, it just wants perpetual civil war.
 

farscaper

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A bit about old George. ..

The Revolutionary War:

When the Revolutionary War broke out, both sides looked to recruit Indian allies. The Continental Congress passed a resolution to call on Indians for support in case of real necessity. Several Indian nations in Maine-particularly the Penobscot and the Maliseet-quickly allied themselves with the colonists feeling that the colonists would recognize their aboriginal rights. In 1776, General George Washington asked the Passamaquoddy of Maine to send him warriors.

In 1778, 30 Stockbridge (a Christian Indian community) soldiers died fighting for the American revolutionaries against the British at White Plains, New York. Among those killed were chief Daniel Nimham. As a result of bravery in this battle, General George Washington promoted Hendrick Aupaumut to the rank of captain.

While many Indians aided the Americans in their struggle for independence, in 1779 George Washington sent 5,000 American troops under the command of General John Sullivan to destroy the villages of the Onondaga, Cayuga, and Seneca as punishment for aid which they had supposedly given to the British. Washington’s orders are for

“the total destruction and devastation of [the Indian] settlements and capture as many prisoners as possible.”


The American forces made no distinction between those who had been American allies and those who had aided the British. The Americans destroyed 40 villages and 160,000 bushels of corn.


And then there was...

1921 Tulsa Race Riot

One of the most significant events in Tulsa’s history was the Race Riot that occurred in 1921. Following World War I, Tulsa boasted one of the most affluent African American communities in the country, known as the Greenwood District. This thriving business district and surrounding residential area was referred to as “Black Wall Street.” In June of 1921, a series of events nearly destroyed the entire Greenwood area.

On the morning of May 30, 1921, a young black man named Dick Rowland was riding in the elevator in the Drexel Building at Third and Main with a woman named Sarah Page. The details of what followed vary from person to person, and accounts of an incident circulated among the city’s white community during the day and became more exaggerated with each telling.

Tulsa police arrested Rowland the following day and began an investigation. An inflammatory report in the May 31 edition of the Tulsa Tribune spurred a confrontation between black and white armed mobs around the courthouse where the sheriff and his men had barricaded the top floor to protect Rowland. Shots were fired and the outnumbered blacks began retreating to the Greenwood Avenue business district.



In the early morning hours of June 1, 1921, Black Tulsa was looted and burned by white rioters. Governor Robertson declared martial law, and National Guard troops arrived in Tulsa. Guardsmen assisted firemen in putting out fires, took imprisoned blacks out of the hands of vigilantes and imprisoned all black Tulsans not already interned. Over 6,000 people were held at the Convention Hall and the Fairgrounds, some for as long as eight days.

Twenty-four hours after the violence erupted, it ceased. In the wake of the violence, 35 city blocks lay in charred ruins, over 800 people were treated for injuries and contemporary reports of deaths began at 36. In 2001, the Tulsa Race Riot Commission released a report indicating that historians now believe close to 300 people died in the riot.

 
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Saw this the other day and seemed interesting:

Albert Einstein was offered the role of Israel’s second President in 1952, but declined.
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HighSeasSailor

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In WWII, the US researched and tested the use of incendiary bombs attached to bats for use against the Japanese, who still built cities out of wood and paper:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

Between WWI and WWII, Weimar Germany developed a libertine culture that was unmatched in its tolerance for decades. From the wikipedia article, "an estimated 500 such establishments, that included a large number of homosexual venues for men and for lesbians; sometimes transvestites of one or both genders were admitted, otherwise there were at least 5 known establishments that were exclusively for a transvestite clientele." To say nothing of the period's profound influence on arts, film, music, etc etc, all while riding out a depression that made the American Great Depression look like a holiday:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture

Fritz Haber, the most tragic man of the 20th century, bar none. Won a Nobel Prize in 1918 for discovery of a process to economically produce ammonia on a large scale, which was CRITICAL for maintaining sufficient production of fertilizer to keep the early 20th century world fed. Had he not done this, mass starvation almost certainly would have taken place instead and the world would be very different.

During WWI, being a patriotic German, he applied his knowledge of chemistry to warfare, and earned the title "the father of chemical warfare" for his contributions to the development and deployment of chlorine gas, and later his team developed Zyklon A - yes, the predecessor to the infamous Zyklon B, which was developed as a pesticide but was most notably used in the Nazi gas chambers.

It's at this point that it should be mentioned that besides being a devout, hardcore German patriot, Dr. Haber was a Jew. He converted to Christianity and declared fealty to Germany, but I think we can all guess what the Nazis thought of that. He escaped and died in exile, but a number of his family were killed in death camps, likely using Zyklon B:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber
 
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CarolKing

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This is part of an article about the Greybeards the 37th Infantry of the Civil War. I had a great great great grandfather that was part of this regiment. I've been been fascinated by this group of servicemen. It says that the younger men were embarrassed into joining the war when seeing these old men marching down the streets of their town.

Many of the soldiers had served in the military before, some as far back as the War of 1812. Nearly 600 of the 914 officers and enlisted men in the 37th were more than 50 years old, 48 of them were 60 or older, and 9 of them, 70 or older. The oldest was Curtis King, age 80. (Perhaps he was considered hearty enough for duty because he had five children under 16 years old.) For many of the troops, however, age would be a hindrance; neither King nor any of the 70-year-olds would complete their three-year enlistments. Nearly 350 Greybeards would eventually accept disability discharges. But at the outset, they had the fighting spirit of youngsters. Sixty-four-year-old Allen Summer spoke for them all when he boasted he “would kill a rebel with as clear a conscience as ever I killed a wolf.”

My great great great grandfather survived and excepted disability. They say he was never the same afterwards.
 
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farscaper

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Good old Lincoln didn't know exactly what to do about these blacks...

“better for us both, therefore, to be separated.” - Abraham Lincoln

On September 22 1862, Abraham Lincoln issued his preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, in which he declared that as of January 1, 1863, all slaves in states in rebellion against the Union "shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free." To commemorate the occasion, we invite you to consider some surprising facts about Lincoln's views on slavery, and the complex process that led him to issue the document he later called "the central act of my administration, and the greatest event of the 19th century."

1. Lincoln wasn’t an abolitionist.
Lincoln did believe that slavery was morally wrong, but there was one big problem: It was sanctioned by the highest law in the land, the Constitution. The nation’s founding fathers, who also struggled with how to address slavery, did not explicitly write the word “slavery” in the Constitution, but they did include key clauses protecting the institution, including a fugitive slave clause and the three-fifths clause, which allowed Southern states to count slaves for the purposes of representation in the federal government. In a three-hour speech in Peoria, Illinois, in the fall of 1854, Lincoln presented more clearly than ever his moral, legal and economic opposition to slavery—and then admitted he didn’t know exactly what should be done about it within the current political system.

Abolitionists, by contrast, knew exactly what should be done about it: Slavery should be immediately abolished, and freed slaves should be incorporated as equal members of society. They didn’t care about working within the existing political system, or under the Constitution, which they saw as unjustly protecting slavery and slave owners. Leading abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison called the Constitution “a covenant with death and an agreement with Hell,” and went so far as to burn a copy at a Massachusetts rally in 1854. Though Lincoln saw himself as working alongside the abolitionists on behalf of a common anti-slavery cause, he did not count himself among them. Only with emancipation, and with his support of the eventual 13th Amendment, would Lincoln finally win over the most committed abolitionists.

2. Lincoln didn’t believe blacks should have the same rights as whites.
Though Lincoln argued that the founding fathers’ phrase “All men are created equal” applied to blacks and whites alike, this did not mean he thought they should have the same social and political rights. His views became clear during an 1858 series of debates with his opponent in the Illinois race for U.S. Senate, Stephen Douglas, who had accused him of supporting “negro equality.” In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites. What he did believe was that, like all men, blacks had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason slavery was inherently unjust.

Like his views on emancipation, Lincoln’s position on social and political equality for African-Americans would evolve over the course of his presidency. In the last speech of his life, delivered on April 11, 1865, he argued for limited black suffrage, saying that any black man who had served the Union during the Civil War should have the right to vote.

3. Lincoln thought colonization could resolve the issue of slavery.
For much of his career, Lincoln believed that colonization—or the idea that a majority of the African-American population should leave the United States and settle in Africa or Central America—was the best way to confront the problem of slavery. His two great political heroes, Henry Clay and Thomas Jefferson, had both favored colonization; both were slave owners who took issue with aspects of slavery but saw no way that blacks and whites could live together peaceably. Lincoln first publicly advocated for colonization in 1852, and in 1854 said that his first instinct would be “to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia” (the African state founded by the American Colonization Society in 1821).

Nearly a decade later, even as he edited the draft of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in August of 1862, Lincoln hosted a delegation of freed slaves at the White House in the hopes of getting their support on a plan for colonization in Central America. Given the “differences” between the two races and the hostile attitudes of whites towards blacks, Lincoln argued, it would be “better for us both, therefore, to be separated.” Lincoln’s support of colonization provoked great anger among black leaders and abolitionists, who argued that African-Americans were as much natives of the country as whites, and thus deserved the same rights. After he issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln never again publicly mentioned colonization, and a mention of it in an earlier draft was deleted by the time the final proclamation was issued in January 1863.

4. Emancipation was a military policy.
As much as he hated the institution of slavery, Lincoln didn’t see the Civil War as a struggle to free the nation’s 4 million slaves from bondage. Emancipation, when it came, would have to be gradual, and the important thing to do was to prevent the Southern rebellion from severing the Union permanently in two. But as the Civil War entered its second summer in 1862, thousands of slaves had fled Southern plantations to Union lines, and the federal government didn’t have a clear policy on how to deal with them. Emancipation, Lincoln saw, would further undermine the Confederacy while providing the Union with a new source of manpower to crush the rebellion.

In July 1862 the president presented his draft of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation to his cabinet. Secretary of State William Seward urged him to wait until things were going better for the Union on the field of battle, or emancipation might look like the last gasp of a nation on the brink of defeat. Lincoln agreed and returned to edit the draft over the summer. On September 17 the bloody Battle of Antietam gave Lincoln the opportunity he needed. He issued the preliminary proclamation to his cabinet on September 22, and it was published the following day. As a cheering crowd gathered at the White House, Lincoln addressed them from a balcony: “I can only trust in God I have made no mistake … It is now for the country and the world to pass judgment on it.”

5. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t actually free all of the slaves.
Since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation as a military measure, it didn’t apply to border slave states like Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri, all of which had remained loyal to the Union. Lincoln also exempted selected areas of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control in hopes of gaining the loyalty of whites in those states. In practice, then, the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t immediately free a single slave, as the only places it applied were places where the federal government had no control—the Southern states currently fighting against the Union.

Despite its limitations, Lincoln’s proclamation marked a crucial turning point in the evolution of Lincoln’s views of slavery, as well as a turning point in the Civil War itself. By war’s end, some 200,000 black men would serve in the Union Army and Navy, striking a mortal blow against the institution of slavery and paving the way for its eventual abolition by the 13th Amendment.
 
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Farid

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During the fall of Yugoslavia, the prelude to the wars in Bosnia, and Kosovo, the Serbian leader Milosevic conspired to help Yugoslavia split up, while in public pretending that he was trying to hold Yugoslavia together. The best example of this was that when Slovenia declared independence and the Ten Day War began, Milosevic intentionally allowed Slovenia to leave Yugoslavia with relatively little violence. The Generals in the JNA, the Yugoslav Army, all instructed Milosevic that if he allowed Slovenia to leave that other countries would demand independence and that Yugoslavia would descend into civil war. Milosevic presented himself as a Yugoslav nationalist, but in reality he was more interested in Serbian interests than preserving Yugoslavia. He did everything he could to put the Serbs in a better position, and did very little to try and stop the civil war though compromise or political action.
 
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