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How to Make BHO At a Consistency that will work with Persei Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by c10h12n20, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. c10h12n20

    c10h12n20 New Member

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    According to the support staff at Delta9Vapes, the Persei Portable Essential Oil and Herbal Vaporizer will only work with BHO that has a consistency similar to budder. Their staff specifically said that shatter would not work.

    My question is this:

    If someone was making their own BHO, what should they do to make sure that the final product is in a form that will work with the Persei?

    For hypothetical purposes, let's say that this person is currently extracting oil in a Pyrex dish and purging it in a vacuum for about 10 minutes to remove excess butane. What process should be implemented to bring the consistency to a point where it will not cause problems with the Persei (assuming that there is not a collective for 1000 miles)?
  2. Puffers

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    Shatter works for me loaded some this morning in a 2.4 cart. Dpending on how gkassy it is, it may take a bit longer to start hitting or to prime. If its really hard to get going i would suggest a low power cart to give a slow heat up to get the concentrate to the wicks without flash frying everything. If you want to make a budder or wax (inferior to shatter imo) you would whip the bho under low heat this will whip air and moisture into the oil making it more buddery or waxy. You can also decarb your oil/herb and make the oil more viscous without whipping.
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  3. Doug

    Doug Just passing time

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    What does the decarbing of the oil do to the effects?
  4. c10h12n20

    c10h12n20 New Member

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    Hey Puffers,

    Thanks a lot for your insight!

    I will suggest whipping and decarbing to my hypothical friend :)
  5. fake name

    fake name Well-Known Member

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    Try whipping first, decarbing will be more viscous than wax or budder usually, and often degrades the taste. Whipping with low heat should work very well, but I reccomend whipping post vaccum purge, to make sure no residual solvent gets trapped.

    If whipping doesn't work, then go for the decarb, it should work great in the cart, it can just be a bit of a difficult to work with.
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  6. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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    I honestly wouldn't worry about whipping it IMO. I have zero problems running shatter through my carts on my persei even the on high power. Shatter is easier to handle, stores for longer, and is better purged IME. When I get budder i normally purge til it either is shatter or a thick oil. As fake name pointed out decarbing I would suggest as a last resort it normally boils most of the tasty terpenes out and can make the oil hard to handle. Unless you use a dram jar for oil storage cheap and handy to have around anyway.
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  7. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    Nothing specifically I would think, aside from removing the carboxyl group from the molecules.

    The idea behind the recommendation is based off a post around here somewhere, made by a guy over at icmag (he is apparently respected on that site), that states that cannabinoid molecules still in their acid forms (THC-a, CBD-a, etc) form a more shattery consistency, whereas decarb'd forms (THC, CBD, etc) tend to be a lot runnier/never fully solidify.

    As for practical use, aside from the consistency, I don't think there's anything that matters. Decarbing it is a good idea for "cold" edibles (such as steeping weed in Green Dragon) so that your body gets the usable cannabinoid forms as opposed to their acidic naturally-occurring states. We're vaping it anyways so even with non-decarb'd stuff we heat the oil up to vaporizing point which will decarb it.
  8. gvape

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    If you want budder or wax low heat and whipping is your key, but again some strains will wax up easier then others.
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    Norlin Classic Rocker

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  10. TommydCat

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    FYI - whipping isn't true wax/budder.. It only comes from a longer purge process under vacuum and has lots less moisture than a whipped "budder" which looks much more oily in comparison. Not saying one is better than the other, just be aware whipping is more for looks/presentation than actual consistency.

    (Your own experience may vary, this is just from what I've seen ;))
  11. gvape

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    I have ran some strains through that just wax up easier than others. Sometimes no matter what I try it will just wax up, and other times no matter what I do it wont. I do have to say though, I DO NOT use a vacuum purge and I can get wax 90% of my runs from my techniques. Every once in a while I get a curveball, but my techniques have gotten pretty pin point over time. The heat is really the key for me. I have come to conclude that temperature has a lot to do with what consistency you get. Around 130 F I can get it to wax up just about every time. I get a better and waxier consistency if I do whip it, but again I dont have to. If I want shatter I dont let it get past 110-120 max, but it can wax. If you want an oil like consistency just get it up to 140. A quick flash to 170 F can bring it to a liquid form and get rid of the wax state if you dont like it. You can also always winterize your wax and get some nice shatter/oil.

    Again though I want to say this is from my experience and everyone has their own technique that they can get the same type of results. I have some things I do in my technique that I bet do absolutely nothing, but I just keep doing them because it works.
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  12. TommydCat

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    Amazing how people keep racing ahead of the technology and I love to read up on others notes, but yeah, some strains have their own ideas sometimes. Keep it real, bro! :)

    (Edit: rereading my post a ways back - I meant whipping as in the popular take the erl out of your jar, nuke it, then whip it as seen on youTube rather than whipping as part of the purge process - done for entirely different reasons. Sorry for any confusion!)
  13. fake name

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    I think I disagree with this. Are you saying whipped should have another term, like call it taffy? Wax is kinda a blanket term at this point, and I don't know about one being 'truer' than the other.


    Also, the vac purge style wax is accomplishaple with qwiso with a cold open air purge, no whipping. It has to be the right strain and the right environmental conditions, but the consitency is the same as the stuff waxing in the vac purge, super dry often crumbly. My tech for open air purge would require at least 5% water to 95% alcohol ( add some water after the final strain if using 99% Iso) to ensure the full purge of the alcohol, I don't think this actually effects anything consistency wise though.
  14. timmahsan

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    I have some hard shatter (completely new to concentrates.) My Persei is on the way and I was hoping to figure it out before it came. Just stick some of the shatter in shards into the filling tool and apply some low heat to melt it down, right?

    Am I going to have to worry about it becoming a hard shatter solid again and ruining the cart internals? Just wanting to be safe! It looks like all the BHO from my dispensary is all shatter.
  15. fake name

    fake name Well-Known Member

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    First world problems...
  16. timmahsan

    timmahsan treEnt

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    LOL. Yeah, just been getting into concentrates and shatter sounds/looks to be the best?
  17. gvape

    gvape Well-Known Member

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    Its all personal preference. I personally like wax better, but again its all the same and does the job, just how it handles.
  18. dannkk

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    It's not necessarily the best, but it's the easiest to see how it's purged, which can be important depending on where you're getting it. Butane can be emulsified into wax or budder, but with shatter, you can look at it closely and see the butane as small bubbles.
  19. TommydCat

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    I just picked up some very well done wax and it's flowing nicely through a 5.0 ohm cart like nothing else I've seen short of Pure Gold. Huge-ass clouds in seconds, no priming - literally just touch the button and you're hitting...

    I've got a few carts loaded with shatters that seem to flow well, but takes a second or two to prime and smaller clouds (but still clouds!). I found a taffy that smells and tastes SO GOOD but gummed up two carts beyond hope so I was reduced to dabbing the rest (rough life, I tell ya).

    I'm still taking notes, loaded about 12-15 different products into different carts (no dead carts yet, yay!) but not seeing a ton of consistency other than most dispensary errl just sucks...
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  20. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    What about QWISO in the persei? I've got some really nice (compared to my previous results) looking booger of hash I made from some prime buds. I did like a 10 second wash. Definitely more time could be done, but the end goal was purity so I could finally use my persei besides just the bender.

    I can start a new thread if need be, but I figured it would be best to just ask here. Do dispensaries generally have ISO or is it only about butane these days?
  21. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    None of the collectives I've been to have ISO hash. It's kief, hash, bubble hash, and BHO/CO2 oil.
  22. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    That is disappointing news. Why no iso hash i wonder?
  23. fake name

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    A lot of people in Cali rag on iso, it doesn't have the flavor and most people make Iso with very poor technique. So the Iso out there is grimy and rather than improve the tech, they just change the solvent. Out in Colorado there is some AMAZING qwiso, it's how I learned iso could be good and even great. But, for the most part flavor/smell is what sells, and Iso just doesn't pull the flavor.

    Honestly, I cant say I blame 'em, some bho really does taste incredible. For me, though, good iso gives a better high and medicates me more thoroughly .
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  24. Puffers

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    As long as it melts clean on the tin foil test it will work fine.


    I am pretty sure it's because butane extracts more of the floral terpenes from the herb giving it better taste along with butane being relatively cheap, efficient, and quick to extract with. Compared to Iso where you may need several washes to fully extract from the plant matter.
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  25. TommydCat

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    From others I've talked to on the subject ISO is expensive to obtain proper gear, otherwise the consistency is very difficult to control. I don't have any links to proof of this, however...

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