How much do you spend on herb and what you get for your money ?

[Slightly Medicated]

I had no idea they were doing that in Amsterdam. I wonder how strict they will be about it. I think that is one of the stupidest things I have heard in a long time. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to making money. I wonder how long before the tourist industry dies down there and people start begging to be able to sell to tourist.

 

[NewSchoolExplorer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/netherlands-coffee-shops-marijuana-tourists_n_1095231.html

As of January 1, 2012, a new policy will go into effect, banning all foreigners from marijuana-selling "coffee shops" in three of the country's southern provinces, USA Today reports.
In 2013, the ban will expand to the remaining nine provinces, which, of course, includes Amsterdam, a city popular with foreigners because of its lax drug policies.

I am sad to hear but I am glad to be able to vist Amsterdam

 

[Selah]

Tourists are banned from the coffeeshop in the southern provinces since the 1st of May, the rest of the country will follow in January 2013. If you want to find really good bud in Amsterdam try to avoid the shops in the center of town, they are really touristic and most of the time they sell you commercial quality. Try the shops in the neighborhood called "De Pijp". Or you can always go to big names like: "Barney's, The Greenhouse,De Dampkring etc..

With a bit of research you can even find cheap hotels which will let you smoke weed inside.

EDIT: A majority of people living there doesn't agree with the ban either. Drug related crime has skyrocketed since the ban. In the town of Maastricht even the Burger King has to fire people, there are no tourists enough to keep people working.

 

[m0sh]

Coffeshop owners said they will ignore the law (when it enters at Jan 2013) and police said its low priority to make sure they are out and they probably won't do it...

So its safe to say that in the end...we will keep smoking in Amsterdam despite all of this BS!!!

 

[Smokey]

Just came back from an Amsterdam trip, what a blast, everytime is so sweet, when you land and can't wait for the first weed to try...imho the Greenhouse's Super lemon haze is the best flavour ever tasted...I tried it also in the volcano and OMG. At Barney's they have plenty of volcanoes, every table has one of them xD Parvati charas also was a really good cream, I was craving for a nice cream in these few weeks.
Anyway I hope this isn't going to end soon, I can't believe they could shut such an easy and safe way to enjoy our bud.....I really hope they will ignore this BS and fight for everyone to understand this is the right way to treat MJ....not the way the civilized world thinks, or was made to think anyway.

 

[Selah]

I'm not so sure about this. In the southern provinces the police and a good part of the politicians don't want to follow those rules but they do. Coffeeshop owners will always follow the law,it's about their business and license, they will close the shops out of protest, but that's only temporary. Everything depends of how the political situation over there changes but I'm not so positive about this.

 

[m0sh]

We will have to see what happens...if the police won't try to enforce the law banning tourist from coffeshops then it will continue for a long time...with minor arrests once in a while IMO

 

[Selah]

Not trying to be argumentative here, but living next to the Netherlands I follow those issues rather fanatically. It's not really about what the police wants, they have very strict orders and they have to control the shops on a regular base. You also need to keep in mind that those coffeeshops are money making businesses, people who runs them won't put their license on the scale, a few busts and the shop is closed forever. In towns like Maastricht you won't see any foreigner in the shops, not a year ago no one would have believed such a thing was possible. But everything is possible, the dutch government has fallen and there will be elections soon and things can change, but they already stated a law was not something they could repeal so easily. Still plenty to buy on the streets however

 

[m0sh]

Well have to see what happens...I doubt that any actions would be against tourists

 

[steven22]

a gram can last me 2-3 days the most on vaping... thats if Im being frugal and staying satisfied at the same time.

but for me it really all over the place, I smoke out some friends...guests that visit out of town,parties etc.

I usually buy an oz at a time @ 300.. sometimes it lasts and lasts, other times not so much.

storyofmylife.

 

[Polmol]

An ounce of premium Jack can last me a year and a half, 240$

 

[djonkoman]

I can't say much about coffeeshops since I live in the north of the netherlands, but indded january 2013 is the date for the rest of us.
and here in the netherlands it's not like some other places where if there are laws that nobody agrees with it's like the laws are not there. the rules will be followed(a line you hear a lot when growing up in the netherlands, 'regels zijn regels' 'rules are rules' , used as an apology, like 'I'm sorry I have to punish you for this, I agree it's bullshit, but I have to follow the rules'), that's the attitude here in the netherlands. but plenty of people will look for holes in the rules/ways to circumvent it, or maybe even go in protest(altough with us dutchies it's often more talking/whining than actually taking action/doing anything about it)
but unfortunatly our attitude is that once a rule is in place, it will be followed. but reluctantly, so we won't do more then what the law requires us to do. this is one of the things I've always disliked about our culture, if you run into a ridiculous rule you can't discuss it, even if you have valid points and the person of authority agrees with you, the line 'regels zijn regels' is the absolute discussionstopper. and on the other hand we won't do more as what the rules require of us, eventough it would be better if we did a bit more. this can sometimes be really frustrating, since that way ridiculous rules never get changed, even if everyone think they don't make sense.

even our tolerancepolicy fits into this, in another country the same policy may exist withourt regulation, but here in the netherlands we have to make regulations for something of wioch the point is tp not follow the regulation...(the thought behind the tolerancepolicy is that weed is still illegal, but since we agreed it is only a minor thing, the police doesn't prosecute it as long as it happens in a good non-criminal way, in coffeeshops)

so don't count on coffeeshops just ignoring it, unless those coffeeshops announce they will ignore it. if they will, they will make it know in the media, since ignoring the card by shops is done to cause a courtcase, wich they then hope to win, so it's still in a way adhering to regulation and working in the system.

you will find exceptions to this in some circumstances, but this is a common attitude around here and something to consider when trying to predict what wll happen. a lot of us act like we are constantly being watched, even if we are sure we are not. and it's a cause of dwindling privacy, since some people will accuse you if you are in favor of privacy 'do you have something to hide?' 'what does it matter if the government knows everything about you including your DNA-profile if you have nothing to hide/do nothing illegal?'
ofcourse it's a radical generalisation, but to me it seems that this attitude is way less prevalent in other countries, especially more southern countries

 

[Venomous]

What was the driving force behind this?

 

[djonkoman]

drugtourists from belgium/france/spain who couldn't make the small efort to park on places meant for parking but instead parked in front of the coffeeshops gunking up the city centers. the southern provinces/cities asked for a bigger policebudget to deal with the trafficproblems, the minister took his chance by promising them more money for police, but on the condition that they would implement his crazy idea of a weedcard.
our biggest rightwingparty, CDA, centerright and christian was already working towards illegalisation for a while, wich they openly admit in their 'verkiezingsprogramma'(don't know the english word, it's a list with points you promise to realise when elected, ofcourse most of that never happens because of compromises)(ironically, the CDA was also the biggest party in the government that instituted the tolerancepolicy with coffeeshops)
and the current government, currently demissionair, consists of this party, and the 2nd biggest rightwing party(liberal right, rich guys who want more privatisation, in favor of big business etc, to clarify liberal is more synonymous with rightwing here), the VVD, this party's current leader also wants illegalisation.

and those parties are backed up by the far-right populist PVV of geert wilders, who also wants illegalisation. and he is a crazy muslimbashing attentionwhore. he thinks smoking weed is just a crazy leftish hippie-hobby.

so the reason is on moral grounds of the morals the parties currently in power have.

 

[Venomous]

drugtourists from belgium/france/spain who couldn't make the small efort to park on places meant for parking but instead parked in front of the coffeeshops gunking up the city centers. the southern provinces/cities asked for a bigger policebudget to deal with the trafficproblems, the minister took his chance by promising them more money for police, but on the condition that they would implement his crazy idea of a weedcard.
our biggest rightwingparty, CDA, centerright and christian was already working towards illegalisation for a while, wich they openly admit in their 'verkiezingsprogramma'(don't know the english word, it's a list with points you promise to realise when elected, ofcourse most of that never happens because of compromises)(ironically, the CDA was also the biggest party in the government that instituted the tolerancepolicy with coffeeshops)
and the current government, currently demissionair, consists of this party, and the 2nd biggest rightwing party(liberal right, rich guys who want more privatisation, in favor of big business etc, to clarify liberal is more synonymous with rightwing here), the VVD, this party's current leader also wants illegalisation.

and those parties are backed up by the far-right populist PVV of geert wilders, who also wants illegalisation. and he is a crazy muslimbashing attentionwhore. he thinks smoking weed is just a crazy leftish hippie-hobby.

so the reason is on moral grounds of the morals the parties currently in power have.

Is this because of the socialist taking over the seats in the government? I had read something around 2006 that the democratic socialist party in the Netherlands had gotten the majority of the seats.

That's really too bad. What's the likelihood of this getting amended?

 

[djonkoman]

Is this because of the socialist taking over the seats in the government? I had read something around 2006 that the democratic socialist party in the Netherlands had gotten the majority of the seats.

That's really too bad. What's the likelihood of this getting amended?

not at all, I wish the socialists would be in power... the SP, the socialist party, is in favor of complete legalisation.
they did indeed rapidly gain votes that election, they were a minor party but became a major one those elections. they participated in talks woth other parties to form a government, but those talks failed and they stayed in the opposition. since they didn't get in the government eventough they had the seats to achieve it some people were disapointed in them. they partly atract the same voters as those voting for the PVV, people disappointed with politics and the major parties. also eventough the PVV is far-right, their economic stance is very similar to the SP. their far-rightness is more expressed in their stance on immigration
the SP didn't have a majority tough, in our system with more as 2 parties it's very rare for one party to get a majority, in fact I don't think that has ever happened. parties always have to make a coalition after elections that forms a majority, but our current (demissionair) rightwing government is a minoritygovernment, the PVV isn't officially in the government but backs them up giving them a majority. except on some issues, so on those issues this government had to try to gain votes from the opposition. the SP weren't even the biggest party those elections, they became the third party, the special thing was how much they grew, so they were seen as the big winner of the elections.

I often notice that in the US you use socialist as a kind of insult and synonimous with communist, but it is not. socialism has the same ideals as communism(more rights for the workerclass, more equality etc), but socialism is about achieving those ideals trough the democratic system, while communism tries to achieve it trough revolution. so there isn't something like democratic socialism, since socialism is by definition democratic.
our biggest leftwing party, the PvdA, wich is almost always one of the 2 biggest parties(the other being the CDA) is originally socialist too. here in the netherlands socialism isn't seen as negative, it isn't an insult, and socialists are not afraid of calling themselves socialist. (PvdA stands for partij van de arbeid, wich means 'party of the labor')

all our leftwing parties are either in favor of keeping the tolerancepolicy, maybe with some improvements like finally regulating the backdoor, or complete legalisation. so the current policy could be turned around of the leftwingparties gain a majority in the upcoming elections(in september)

 

[Venomous]

At the rate were going here with a forced gov healthcare system, we're turning toward democratic socialism. I think a lot of people in the US think socialism is dictatorship, which can obviously form some type of negativity. If people actually studied different parties, they would gain a better understanding.

Our culture is very different from the Dutch, however when you look at the success of other countries, you have to wonder how fucked up the US has become... Ever since the patriot act here, things are changing... And not in a good way. We now have to deal with drones flying in our airspace that can be operated by police and other law enforcement.

 

[L337Zombie]

I grow my own usually but in between crops or if I'm out I buy an oz or two from a buddy but that's rare. And Usually I smoke about a half ounce a week. Lol

 

[Venomous]

I grow my own usually but in between crops or if I'm out I buy an oz or two from a buddy but that's rare. And Usually I smoke about a half ounce a week. Lol

Wow that's a shitload of weed lol!

 

[L337Zombie]

Lol, it really doesn't seem like much my buddies smoke near an ounce a week but depending n a few variables. Usually I also make a bunch of concentrates with my flowers because I have a high tolerance. XP

 

[Venomous]

How much does one plant yield you?

 

[L337Zombie]

I yield somewhere between 5-7 ounces per plant.

 

[Venomous]

I yield somewhere between 5-7 ounces per plant.

Wow, that's great. That would last me over a year

 

[L337Zombie]

I slightly envy your tolerance.

 

[Puffers]

I grow my own usually but in between crops or if I'm out I buy an oz or two from a buddy but that's rare. And Usually I smoke about a half ounce a week. Lol

Do you still combust or is that vape only? I guess if your making bho and dabbing a decent amount a half oz a week vape only would be pretty easy lol