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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by amberevil, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. amberevil

    amberevil Member

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    I started this thread as to not fill up other with my specific problems. I have read through the concentrates for noobs where you were all able to help me very much. Now I am back to a new purge trying to follow members advice.

    Starting material fresh frozen leaves.
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    whip it premium butane. Glass extraction tube. Un-bleached coffee filters, im going to use them up before going ss mesh.

    blew right to pyrex, scraped and now in vac on silicon pad. Hot water bath on hot plate.
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    So, the problem ive been having is I can't even get it to pass a lighter test, i thought thats why i bought the vacuum.:shrug:Anyways its at 29.0 and 100. i will flip after an hour and then ever half hour after that, at least till I go to bed. Feel free to chim In at anytime, all are welcome.
     
  2. Gray Area

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    Shouldn't you have left it on the glass and spread real thin?? Looks a bit like a lump from the pic.
    Idk to be honest only done QWISO personally, so that's just a guess...
     
  3. Skeena

    Skeena Standing stone faced like a statue.

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    I don't make oil but I think you want more surface area, try spreading it out in a thin layer and put it back into the vac.
     
  4. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    If it does not seem to be actively purging (bubbles forming), try raising your water bath temp by a few degrees. I usually end up at about 20"Hg @ 105F. Don't raise the temp too high with full vac pressure. If raising the temp lower the vac.
     
  5. amberevil

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    Thanks. Is that tech specifically for shatter or just a good purge all around? I am interested in making shatter but this batch is going to be formed to the inside of a carmex container for travels.

    When I leave for work or go to sleep, should I turn off the heat or just leave the bho on one side unable to be flipped? Also should I be de-vacing it?
     
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  6. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    Using that tek, I usually get shatter. While purging the liquid tane, do not let the temperature get above 100F. I have left mine overnight. I am very confident in my temperature control. Depending on how much you are purging, the flipping ( or lack thereof) while you are away should be no big deal. I try to burp it often. There is no point in leaving that tane in contact with the oil in the chamber. Better off getting it out of there completely.
     
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  7. amberevil

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    Do you mind sharing your burping tech. I.e. do you have the pump on while you let air into the chamber, and how low do you let the vac gauge get?
     
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  8. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    There are 2 valves on my chamber. I run the pump to get the pressure where I want it. Then close the valve on the pump side and turn off the pump. ( crucial to close this valve and not let the pump hold the vac pressure. There may be oil from the pump drawn into the chamber ruining your goodies).
    To burp, I just slowly open the other valve letting in fresh air through a filter. Open slowly because the sudden inrush of air can blow things around in the chamber. I let it go all the way down then start up the pump again.
    Lather, rinse, repeat.
     
  9. amberevil

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    Thanks. I hope I didnt already get oil in my oil. Im not sure if I let the air valve open whole the pump valve was open and pump on in this batch, but I have in the past so im wondering if that has been my problem thus whole time. If pump oil is in my bho will it make it fail the lighter test. Is It bad to get a little pump oil that got in a batch of bho and turned to canna caps.

    I was hoping to here from you die hard, thanks. I have already learned much from you through other threads. I know you have a best value vac set, as do I so I thought you could help. I wish mine was silicon like yours though. I have a neoprene gasket. I also need to step my heat source game up like yours, i am just not quite ready yet.
     
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  10. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    I think the pump oil is light mineral oil. It shouldn't hurt to ingest. But definitely no good for vaping/dabbing. IMHO The best way to see if this has happened is to pull the hose off of the valve side and see if there is oily residue in the hose. Maybe with a q-tip or something to go all CSI in search for oil residue.:science: I have slipped up for a couple of minutes with the valve open and never saw oil in the line.
     
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  11. amberevil

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    Well thanks for all the new info, im on my way home now so I will see what I.can do. I will give an update sometime tonight. Btw it was ridiculously shattery before I left today, and well on its way to being clear.
     
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  12. amberevil

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    Well thanks for all the new info, im on my way home now so I will see what I.can do. I will give an update sometime tonight. Btw it was ridiculously shattery before I left today, and well on its way to being clear.

    Update: the bubbles are not poping and disappearing fully but I have been flipping and twice I pressed it down to flaten it, was that the wrong thing to do?
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    Sorry for the b2b i thought i was in the edit screen but i dropped my phone and no longer was.
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2014
  13. farscaper

    farscaper Well-Known Member

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    run your vac on full vacuum longer. dont just shut it off when you reach a specific hg.
     
  14. amberevil

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    I have been waiting for you @farscaper. lol Any certain amout of time or even a guess just to give me an example of how long at full vac with the vac running?
     
  15. farscaper

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    I like to let the inital purge run until most of the activity is stopped then close it off. wait an hour and burp and cycle again. its pretty much exactly what @DieHard does I just wanted to include that actually letting it run after you reach vacuum expidites the process a little better because your concentrate doesnt have to sit in a butane enriched atmosphere.
     
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  16. amberevil

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    I forgot to upload my moarning picture
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    Update: just got home so i decided to run the vaccum for a min before i opened the chamber and fliped.
     
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  17. amberevil

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    Its still forming bubbles buts it kind of happing differentHavely.
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    Can anyone tell me how far along i am or what its doing?
     
  18. farscaper

    farscaper Well-Known Member

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    what does it look like out of vacuum?
     
  19. amberevil

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  20. farscaper

    farscaper Well-Known Member

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    peel it up and flip it like a pancake. and warm it up without vacuum see if any bubbles are left. if it looks see through and has no sparkly bubbles in it your most likely nearly done.
     
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  21. amberevil

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    So I did exactly that last night. Sorry I should have taken a picture but, it looked really nice. A little slab of medium colored amber, pretty transparent. Looked like Swiss cheese from whole in it where the bubbles were. I snapped a little peace off and lit it on fire, it slowly melted half way than flared like a sparkler. now ive flipped it a few times leting the vacuum run on full for several minutes. @farscaper, i know you said you do that only on your first purge, but i dont need rooks ob this run. Im trying to stuff it in a carmex container for travel.
     
  22. farscaper

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    then you can certainly vac all the smell out. and if you want a more sappy consistency bring the heat up to around 130 or 140 and let all the tiny bubbles vacuum off. then you will have decarboxylated errl. great for dabbing out of containers with a dabber tool.
     
  23. amberevil

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    I was hoping around a taffy but definitely less smell probably a good thing, im going past tsa.

    Most of my confusion come from my last two batches. I did things wrong such as a blow out coffee filter, scrape repacked. I whiped the bho at the beginning of the purge, and my heat source fluctuated a lot worse. But with all that I slowly raised the temp because I could never get it to pass the lighter test. Even as a dark runny oil that looked way over purged, it still failed thr lighter test.

    Before i started extractions i read so much from different fourms, but mostly from skunk farm and grey wolf(I want to know what and who they are, out of curiosity, I am very thankful for them). I was confident that I could do it all. But then starting was something new to me.

    This new confusion got me to finally register here and meet all you great people, thank you. I guess this was all just another great life lesson for me, I just hope I geat something smokable soon. I leave in a week. Thank you all again.
     
  24. farscaper

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    skip the lighter test for a taste test... it is oil... it will burn and sparkle some when high heat from direct flame is prestent....
     
  25. amberevil

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    I tried that with the last batches and I would describe the taste of them as almost burn hair. Very bad. I do get bho from a dispensary and have lit it up and ive seen it light up but not like this. Big time sparkled. Anyways that was two old batches, if I have the same problem with this one I will film it and post it.( I would have to figure out how to post a video for that). @farscaper thanks for the info tips, those two batches had me feeling like I would never figure this out.

    The bigest difference in my process and everyone else's, is my starting material is mostly leaves. (I didn't think that would make it harder to purge butane)

    Current batch is still forming and popping bubbles as I flip and leave at full vac. I have the same pump as @DieHard. ive been nervous over work it because it is getting hot. Any insight into how long I can fun my pump at a time diehard
     

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