@Oogendoogan easy bro. The fine mesh is not to replace the standard screen, it is too flimsy. It rests on top of the screen in the funnel bowl. I know exactly what you mean though. They are damn hard to work with afresh. Jojo sent my funnel bowl with one already installed. He shaped it perfectly to hold like a firm little nest. He had it crimped over and pinched together in 1 or 2 lines/rivets if you know what I mean. I got 2 extras which I still have. I tried using one in a smaller bowl for the Elev8r, similar size/shape to funnel bowl. Well, it was a complete flop! Literally lol! I was hoping for a stiff! Instead I got a screwed up pair of jeans that badly needs ironing and holds it's shape like a wet papee boat!! Sound familiar? So I dont know how Jojo does it. Maybe some schooling will be offered some day. I still have ir, and the other one (which I daren't touch now). My hopes in asking Jojo for the extras was to use them for my upcoming Herbo Ti, as the bowl and sceen design lets tons of particles through. So I'll have another go but I ain't super confident.