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Effects of bud vs trim

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by juneshayek, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. juneshayek

    juneshayek Active Member

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    I know this sounds strange but the high from trim or low quality weed feels a lot better to me than real bud! Real bud feels trippy and icky in a sense. Almost like my body is slightly aching like when you're just starting to get sick. Trim makes me euphoric and relaxed. It feels nice.

    The differences between indica dominant and sativa dominant strains is a lot more subtle to me than the differences between various parts of the same plant, regardless of being indica or sativa.

    I've tested this with around 20 different types of weed, and recently had a chance to grow my own, and I can directly compare the high from the bud vs. e.g. fan leaves. Yes, vaping fan leaves from my plant actually gets me high and feels amazing! The bud is dank but feels like crap, honestly.

    What do you guys make of this? I'm puzzled since it pretty much goes against conventional wisdom.

    P.S.: I'm extremely sensitive to the effects of weed. I don't know if that means anything in this context.
     
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  2. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    Sounds to me, like you have a very low tolerance, and are getting way too stoned when you vape the buds.

    How much bud/leaf do you vape?
     
  3. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Sounds like low tolerance, but I suppose it's possible you enjoy the effects of the smaller bulbous and sessile trichomes more than capitate stalked trichomes.

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  4. TeeJay1952

    TeeJay1952 Well-Known Member

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    I used to split chickens with a fellow that only liked dark meat. Find a "bud head" and arrange an exchange.
     
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  5. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member

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    Yep ... sounds to me like your tolerance is just extremely low as well ... might want to try just vaping like a crumb ... .01 or so ... possibly less ... (like dab size but flower ... so the size of a grain of rice or so ...)
     
  6. juneshayek

    juneshayek Active Member

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    I hear you, guys. But I've been getting blazed on average twice daily for the past year and a half. Could it really be low tolerance then?

    I vape on average 0.005 grams of bud per session, or 0.02 grams of trim per session, or 0.1 grams of fan leaves per session. So obviously bud is a lot stronger than trim and leaves, I get that, but that's not the issue here. Even if I smoke half the amount of bud, it still doesn't feel as good as the trim.

    Bud, for me, just has a sort of sharp feel to it, while trim feels a lot more soft and mellow, regardless of dose. I've experimented a LOT with modulating dosage, and these differences are irrespective of that.

    What if trim/leaves just have a bad rep from the combustion days because they taste crappy when smoked? For vaping they taste fine and give me the nicest high. Sometimes it almost feels like a different drug compared to bud.

    Has anybody here ever tried vaping trim? What were your experiences? If not, maybe give it a try if you ever get the chance.

    also @invertedisdead, that's amazing with the sessile glands, I had no idea! I was looking at my fan leaves and trim under a microscope and saw what looked like little droplets of oil. So that's what that was. Makes sense now!
     
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  7. crawdad

    crawdad floatin

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    even with a built up tolerance level im still a sensitive person to partaking. ive vaped, cooked in oil and combusted trim and can relate to the "feels like a different drug" perspective. certainly far more mellow reaction would be one way to describe it. id explain it as a hybrid experience where own-self is able to remain more conscious and aware during the session versus becoming a bit numb in favor of a heightened sense of natural sensations.
     
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  8. jojo monkey

    jojo monkey Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Not strange at all. Actually very observant!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165946/
     
  9. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    I had some minty trim one time that vaped and had the best mellow high... that mint and then :love:

    though, I actually have had some cinderella 99 flower that had exact effect... but, not many strains do that as it does seem heavier... you could boost your metabolism some too to better metabolize compounds from the buds check this link- it explains how http://themodern.farm/studies/Omega-3 Deficiancy Abolish Endocannabinoid Function.pdf
     
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  10. vaporcloud

    vaporcloud lurking kiwi

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    I've vaped most parts of the plant. When I have had no bud I've vaped fan leaves. So that normally means my tolerance is very low. No bud=low tolerance for me as a daily user. Initially the high is acceptable, mellow and satisfyingly but as soon as I'm ready for a boost I can't get to where I want to be due to the lower quality of fan leaves vs bud. Plus I generally find leaf and trim to be more stoned than high. The euphoric effects are way less.

    This is my experience only but due to the seasonal nature of supply in NZ sometimes all you can get is crappy regs or trim.
     
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  11. juneshayek

    juneshayek Active Member

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    very interesting input, @vaporcloud. Definitely a more stoned feel on leaves, but I can still get high on them if I vape enough. As for bud, it definitely feels high, but also sort of "on edge" to me.

    Also interesting to hear about your low tolerance in spite of daily usage. So that really is possible and not just me imagining things!
     
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  12. chris 71

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    I had a what was called a personal production licence for a few years and grew my own . i cant wait till it becomes legal up here in canada next summer so i can do this again it was great thing being able to grow my own .

    I remember watching the tricombe devlopement and scoping different parts of the plant one thing i recall is the tricomes on the sugar leaves matured faster then the ones on the buds them self , with more amber ocuring before the ones on the buds maybe thats your answer as wel as a lower tolerance

    take a look at this too https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-cannabis-trichomes-importance-n430

    i have preached it before i also believe that the optimal time to harvest isint necessarily when the plant has reached its most highest thc potential . i think it needs to ripen further even if it means a lower thc percentage especialy for those of us who arnt good with the racy edgy type high
     
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  13. grampa_herb

    grampa_herb CO2 Oil bigot

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    Interesting. Back in the day I used to buy in quantity, sell the bud and keep the shake. The shake got me higher but customers preferred the bud.
     
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  14. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    You can most likely 'cure' your way out of this. :nod:
     
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  15. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    all those bud thrichs drop to the bottom and stick to the shake... potent stuff
     
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  16. juneshayek

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    Yeah, sounds like this is what happened with my own plant. The trichomes on the bud are all clear as glass. As for the bud I've bought, it has opaque trichomes and sure feels better than my own bud, but still not good as my leaves.

    Hmm.. interesting. Do elaborate if you have any more info. My bud's been curing for a month now and still feels the same.
     
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  17. steama

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    Curing is mostly done to smooth out the herb for smoking by getting rid of chlorophyll and other aspects that cause harshness when the herb is smoked.

    The other main reason for curing herb is decarboxylation or the conversion of non-psychoactive THCA to the psychoactive THC form. The cure takes place over the cure period of about two and a half months with the end result being a more smooth and more potent product. I would also say a more soothing product.

    Curing herb requires moisture and time. You need to leave enough moisture in the herb to promote a cure but not so much there is a risk of mold. When you cure you can test moisture levels by feel. Once the herb has cured or ripened to the preferred amount you can then dry most of the remaining moisture for storage. Eliminating moisture and giving your herb fresh air will slow or stop the cure...it is up to you how far you go.

    The finished herb, imo, should be barely past the point where you can feel moisture with your index finger. If you feel moisture dry a little more. At this point, there is still a enough moisture left to keep the buds nice for a long time.

    These methods and techniques take a little time to learn but once you do you with soon be in complete control of curing your herb.

    I would get a magnifying glass or a loop so that you can examine the trichomes before, during, and after your cure. You may wish to stop your cure once the trichomes begin to turn to a golden, creamy, amber color.

    :2c:
     
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  18. vaporcloud

    vaporcloud lurking kiwi

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    I dunno mate. I'm not sure curing does anymore than making the bud nicer to consume. As for making it more potent I can't see how. The potency is related to the strain. As I produce my own product I've tried quick drying vs a slow cure dry and find potency doesn't change much.

    I was given some lovely cured bud last month. Looked great smooth as a baby's butt to vap but my 2 day quick dry home grown blew it away. Just a better stain. I gave the cured bud to a mate.
     
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  19. asdf420

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    Weird.. since curing supposedly allows a chemical reaction from non-psychoactive CBGA to THCA.
    https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/222426
    https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-cbg-cannabinoid

    and since CBGA reacts into both THCA and CBDA, I don't know how some strains end up with more THC or CBD...
     
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  20. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    the key to curing is to ferment the sugars into acetyl alcohol... the sugars are harsh and curing mellows them out and brings out flavors etc... this effects how it vapes as well because alcohol helps carry the vapor better than sugar
     
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