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CannaButter Hurts (paindul), what did I do wrong?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by HarmlessJohnny_5, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. HarmlessJohnny_5

    HarmlessJohnny_5 Well-Known Member

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    I made an extract I used one ounce of Dutch Hawaiian little over 20% THC I do not know the terpene profile but it smelled absolutely utterly amazing in the bag sweet pungent and also "dutch treaty". I used a sous vide and well clarified butter about three and a quarter ounces after being clarified for 1 oz of quality Shake. The resulting cannabutter is incredibly dark green and smells very strongly like the strain, also a very strong chlorophyll smell.

    Here is the problem: I cut out a couple of small chips and ate them to see how strong it was and I swear I could feel it moving through my entire digestive tract. I felt it bottoming out in my stomach as I got nauseous and sick to my stomach I felt it enter my intestines irritating the hell out of them all the way through as I got diarrhea and tried to vomit out the toxins which of course we're no longer in my stomach.

    What the hell did I do? Is this stuff way too concentrated, can I dilute this and then make something that doesn't have any sugar in it and eat that? Is it simply that the terpene profile of Dutch Hawaiian is really irritating from an edible point of view? Is this something that happens with specific people that happen to be sensitive to these terpenes and essential oils as irritants?

    I hate to throw that away, but in its current form my body cannot tolerate it.

    I'm trying another batch now of something that's a lot less strong smelling has less terpenes and that I rinsed in water several times while keeping it inside of a Giant tea bag. I will try this sous-vide a on it tomorrow, as I have been drying it in a dehydrator at below 115 degrees.



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    And 2.2 or so grams of sunflour lecthin
     
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  2. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    I would never use shake to make edibles ... the key is to make sure none of the plant matter actually stays in the butter, and with fine shake it would be difficult to ensure it is all strained out I would think. The cannabis leaves themselves shouldn't be eaten as they can be quite hard on the stomach, and that's probably what you are experiencing.

    I'm sure there are ways to do it, and to avoid the chlorophyll taste you could cold water soak it first a few times to flush out all the green stuff ... but if it's fine and still ends up in the final product, it's going to cause you digestive issues (unless you have a really strong stomach :))

    Sorry if this isn't the feedback you were hoping for ... maybe some other members will have some differing opinions as well ...

    Good luck!

    (I prefer to make edibles with concentrates if possible, then this completely removes this problem from the equation ... much less bad taste then you get from flowers ... although if you really, really know what you are doing with flowers, there are apparently ways to make the flavor amazing! --ie. blanch your canabis first, etc.)
     
  3. Alexis

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    Just make sure you strain the final product through cheesecloth or coffee filters.
    The plant matter can be very irritating to the digestive tract. If you didn't do this, you could re-heat your first batch and strain it. Let us know please how it works out, good luck dude.
     
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  4. sickmanfraud

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    Let's see if I understand. Did you make cannabutter using one ounce of cannabis and 3.5 ounces of butter?

    That is too concentrated. Try adding another stick or 2 of butter and take smaller chips.
     
  5. HarmlessJohnny_5

    HarmlessJohnny_5 Well-Known Member

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    In will dilute this into avacados perhaps, i washed in 300 micron bags so i would not wash away tricombs, i filtered final prodect through same 300 micron bags.

    I'll try it again, I'll post. (felt sooo bad for like 10 hours.... i feel gun-shy lol!)
     
  6. HarmlessJohnny_5

    HarmlessJohnny_5 Well-Known Member

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    Can't seem to find the option to edit my previous posts so I suppose I will add this here. I've taken pictures but I realize now I haven't got a clue how to handle that here the original cannabutter is an incredibly dark dense non-transparent green I've deluded it 5 to 1 to make a small test batch and it is as clear as colored glass. After school today I'm going to knock that sucker out :-) and either enjoy it or have a nightmare hell day LOL
     
  7. sickmanfraud

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    Hit or miss can have bad consequences as you already found out. Do the math you had 28 grams at 20% THC (you did not mention a decarb, but in the future bake cannabis at 240F for 40 minutes). if we assume a 100% extraction you have 20 x 28=5600mg total THC in 105 ml of butter. that works out to 53 mg of THC PER ML. A teaspoon would have 5ml x 53 or 266 mg.

    THIS BUTTER IS TOO CONCENTRATED. Even diluting it 5 to one, it may be too strong for most recipes.
     
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  8. HarmlessJohnny_5

    HarmlessJohnny_5 Well-Known Member

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    I decarbed using sous vide and a mason jar (hot water bath, 103 degrees (95 C) for about 90 min or so). I think you are right, even diluted with the coconut oil it still looks darker than most, still smells Lovely, god this pot has so many wonderful flavors, I really like the smell of some strains : ) As good as roses in my opinion. Gonna take that dose diluted into a cup of seeds and nuts and lecithin and water blended and frothed into oblivion.
     
  9. MyCollife

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    I’m with sickmanfraud.


    I once mixed about 12 grams with lecithin, a stick and 1/4 of butter and the baked goods were very strong. I could have easily added the rest of the 2nd stick of butter and maybe even more.
     
  10. Boden

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    Serious note: Do not tighten the lids down. Barely down is perfect. It won’t stink like oven method but if you can’t smell anything you have a pressure bomb. Not a joke.

    You need to get the herb to 100*C (212*F) to properly decarb. It should be golden brown with no green after decarb. 100*C for 100 min is good. I use a mason jar (with lid) in a steamer. Give it a shake at 50 min.

    1 oz to 1 lb clarified butter, start with 1.5 lb if you are clarifying it yourself. You’ll end up with ~ 1 lb.

    To infuse:
    In mason jar, add hot butter to herb, close jar finger tight ( it needs to breath a little bit) put back in steamer for 120min. Shake the jar every 20 min to mix.

    I filter with a fine kitchen strainer. Nothing special needed as long as you use a course grind at the beginning.

    Edit: the tummy ache is from the chlorophyll that was left behind because you didn’t get to 212F for long enough.
     
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  11. sickmanfraud

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    Next time divide you cannabis in half. With half decarb the way you are now. The second half decarb at 240F for 40 minutes. You will see the difference with the post decarb comparison of the cannabis. If you are still unsure, use both halves in a comparable recipe. Then compare the results. 240 F for 40 minutes will blow the 90 min at 100 C right out of the test/
     
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  12. Boden

    Boden Aspie polymath

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    Question: Why 240F when the reaction takes place at 212F?
     
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    Boden Aspie polymath

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    This may help: https://www.researchgate.net/public...drocannabinol_Kinetics_and_molecular_modeling

    Much above 212 you risk degrading THC into CBN in the presence of oxygen if you go too long.
     
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  15. HarmlessJohnny_5

    HarmlessJohnny_5 Well-Known Member

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    understood, this was based on the test I read re the sous vide, they sent sample of the same herb before and after at different times
    the sample at like 60 min was nearly 90% decarboxylated at 90 min it was 100% decarboxylated but the THC % was only slightly higher and there was no thcA anymore. I am preferring this to avoid the more nervous energy aspect of the thcA.
     
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  16. Boden

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    The trick is to cross the 211.73*F line long enough to Decarb, as well as decompose the chlorophyll but not so long that you start decomposing the THC. 100 min is a good average for pretty dry herb.

    I use steam because it is an easy way to hit a stable 212F at my altitude. (Basically sea level)
     
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  17. HarmlessJohnny_5

    HarmlessJohnny_5 Well-Known Member

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    pretty good method, I like that and good reading on the link, thanks man : )
     
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  18. sickmanfraud

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    You guys can refer to a decarb article 7 years old (in a fast moving topic).

    I just checked the lab results I tried to send you guys to and there was less than 1 % CBN and almost total THCA conversion to THC. Using 240 F for 40 minutes.
     
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  19. Boden

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    If you look at Fig. 2 in the article 240F (388.7K) would be ~ 35 min in a vacuum. 40 min in free air is about right.

    Since the OP wanted to use low temp that’s what I offered.

    These numbers are just starting points. If I want a heavy body feel I change the time temp ratios to degrade more THC. There is no right answer. The answer depends on what you want.
     
  20. sickmanfraud

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    240 F for 40 minutes was shown in lab tests to activate maximum THC while degrading the least to CBN. I personally used to get very anxious with Sativa tinctures (THCA) since the suggestion when I started making tinctures was something along the lines of 225 for 1/2 hr?? I really don't remember exactly what temps we were using in 2013 to decarb.
     
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