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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by cheeseholidays, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. Old School

    Old School Vape13man

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    Well they finally arrived today so I thought I'd offer up my initial observations.....

    Like others I was also surprised by its small size but I do like it.....:tup:

    I was a bit more than disappointed learning that the heater is obviously under the herb chamber...... I was so hoping that it was going to be wrapped around the walls of the glass stem but it clear resonates from below the stem.....sure some slowly creeps up the walls but nothing like my inhalater......

    Now that all said I've already modified or fashioned a spacer then installed a screen that was provided so good snug fit.....this was perfect it allows me to get complete extraction w/o stirring something I've never ever dreamed of doing w/Inhalater & always achieved max/comp extraction.....never really reach 100% comp but it was always very dark brown coffee and this was a key indication it's was properly extracted it would simply fall out or blow it out..... actually this was how I know the heater is down below chamber because the top portion of stem simply couldn't get cooked/extracted completely...........the spacer I made basically cuts the stem chamber in half but it makes it extract much more evenly cuz I'm just not into stirring obviously not at all.....:cool:

    Now just because it has fallen a bit short on my perhaps grand expectations......

    I do want to state this is a very nice well constructed sexy small little vape so I'm still obviously getting to know / learn how to get some fairly decent rips...... I guess I'm one of those clouds chasers or so I've been label in past but to be honest I don't run at it hard I prefer to temp step but I do also prefer a bit more visible vapor upon exhale........it just feels much better.....:nod: if I run at it too fast too hot I can't handle it at all regular coughin fest.....

    So conclusion: thus far although disappointed it wasn't quite what I had hoped for it is still a pretty sweet little unit able to provide quite tasty vapor as my learning curve improves.......
    :rockon:

    OS :myday: :peace:
     
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  2. Dynavaper

    Dynavaper Karma Farmer

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    I am a bit puzzled about people feeling the need to stir with the Argo.
    Every stem that took out of it was evenly roasted without me doing anything. Strange...
     
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  3. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    I seriously can't understand it either, if there's anything not vaped in any Arizer stem it just means you haven't vaped it long enough . . .
     
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  4. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I agree, I too don't stir. But I think I understand others? Perhaps it's that 'instant gratification' thing? That is once 'the clouds' get thinner they want more, more, more?

    Then again, it's their vape with their herb involved so they should do what they want.

    OF
     
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  5. John Coaltrain

    John Coaltrain Well-Known Member

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    I've just discovered that Fury 2 dosing capsules work very well with the ArGo.

    I bought some to use with my Solo II, but I find them to be a little loose fitting for that vaporizer. But with their caps off, they seem tailor made for the ArGo aroma tube.

    This is helpful for those who are looking to take a few strains/sessions on the go, since you don't have to pack extra tubes and/or loose flower. They are also perfect for micro-dosing with the ArGo.

    If that isn't enough, they keep the oven nice and tidy.
     
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  6. Old School

    Old School Vape13man

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    I too am seriously confused here as well how can this be....... I read this entire thread before I decided to pull the trigger all this talk & in fact praise of how evenly it "roasts" the herb......
    I'm sorry guys I just can't see how that adds up cuz even when I do manage to get a completely extracted "roasted" it is plain as the Italian nose on my face that the herb at the tip of the stem is much much darker in color.....in fact w/o the space I've added the herb furthest from the opening was still green......

    That was a couple different attempts & it was around about suggested that I might need to go longer well trust me I think 3 10min sessions should be enough time to get the job done but let me just assure you that if it wasn't..... You can take it to the bank I'm going to run at it a 4th time.......but if the taste of that portion closest to the heat source is so badly overcooked that the taste is overwhelming then I typically can't continue......:puke:

    I've been enjoying getting to know this device / design better I'm finding I favor 170c to start out before that 10 mins is up I've jumped up to 180

    2nd run I jump to 200c unless it didn't have much of a rest if it just shut off & I'm ready to continue right away I'll only bump to 190c.....but before it's over I'll be at 200 for sure....

    3rd run bump it to max 220 again if little to no rest time then I'll walk up to 210 1st so w/spacer so 1/2 cap let's say I often don't finish the 3rd 10m session........as I mentioned I will pull until there's nothing left to talk about....

    So I'm not really sure how we can be experiencing such very different results....

    Like I said I've been experimenting trying coarser grind...... I've had some huge fun last night w/reclaim which worked very well.....

    Maybe y'all have technique suggestions I'm all ears but at the end of the day that heater is clearly below the chamber so it is over cooking that which is closest to it.....

    I've been playing w/timing as I suspect that is likely the biggest difference..... I'm used to a different timing methodology or protocol......my vaping rhythm if you will......

    This design reminded me of my very 1st purchase which I gave away......it was the DLX vapor blunt.....the DLX was a cool hydra tube double shower head which I kept cuz its an absolute must when I use the grasshopper......

    Lastly....... as for wanting more More MORE !!!

    Yeah I'm just gonna own this one cuz your right if I take a pull & it feels less than it should I'm ready to step up that temp until it feels right again........ that said I also can't under any circumstances jump too soon too quickly or I'm coughing my ass off.......

    OS :peace:
     
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  7. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I think I get this part too. We're talking about subjective measures here, typically related to experience with a different vape or vapes even. Our experiences, judgements and goals differ. Mighty subjective for simple comparisons?

    You point, I think, to one of the major strengths of Solo/Air/ArGo: It suits a wide range of owners and techniques well. It reliably delivers what folks want (which is why it has so many loyal owners).

    You 'temperature step' to boost extraction rates (as do many others), some pull the stem and stir, some of us 'take it as it comes'. No right or wrong way, really? For myself, I'm patient enough to sip happily away knowing I'll eventually get all of the available fractions I want. Rather than mess with stirring to speed it up or bump the temperature at get 'better clouds' even if they are made up of fractions I'm trying to avoid. For you raising the heat is the obvious solution to me it changes the nature of the vapor in a direction I don't want. We both win with our individual techniques.

    As do the guys that find stirring suits them better.

    Solo delivers.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
  8. arb

    arb Semi shaved ape

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    I can't stir them without dumping it everywhere anyhows........lolz.
    Arizer handhelds still blow my mind how they make such a tiny pinch of cannabis last so long and still have a strong effect.
     
  9. Old School

    Old School Vape13man

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    OF I'm intigued..... on 1 hand patient enough to eventually get the fractions you want......then on the other hand trying to avoid other infractions.....????

    So what are these "infractions" you speak of.....?

    arb I totally agree just say no to stirring.... I did make a shorter spacer for the other stem so it's basically 2/3 so 1/3 spacer and I'm trying to get that to extract completely but it's still too light colored on top..not green I'll go w/tan.....but if I try to go that extra 4th run its just a bit too nasty tasting for me.....

    OS. :peace: :sherlock:
     
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  10. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Watch the spelling, please, FRACTIONS not infractions? Important difference. I'm generally looking to avoid 'the heavy stuff' and with it couch lock and irritation. The latter being personal perhaps, but higher temperatures bring more of the components that make me cough and so on.

    FWIW 390F does this well for me. And of course 'heat soaks' are a component as well, you can get denser hits that way without stirring or temperature increases?

    I typically stop with light brown ABV. Lighter in color than tobacco. Sometimes I'll load a stem or two of this ABV when I'm looking for more sedative effects? BTW you can use this 'revape' technique to help control smell in special cases. Vape a load a hit or two, then pull it. Most of the smell is gone (in the first few hits) and most of the THC remains, something we learned 'in the day ' with MFLB.

    OF
     
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  11. c76man

    c76man In search of the best terps and smoothest vapor

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    After many stems and several days, I'm super happy with the Argo. Pretty good battery life, works as solid as any of the vapes in this family, great heat up time. Rather than prefill a stem, I prefer to just fill stems as I go to keep the smell better contained. This one has definitely found a spot in my regular rotation. My only concern is how many stems I might break while I'm out and about and being clumsy.
     
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  12. fabronaut

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    gonna catch up on the thread in a bit while I clean up and get ready. mine arrived today, and I'm gonna charge it soon and hopefully try it out tonight!

    I got slightly hosed on cross border tariff, and customs took WAY too long to clear it. I mean, shit... 420EDC would've bought from Arizer, sold it back across the border as they had the best bundle / extras pricing, and now they're triple dipping on taxes? shit, I gotta work for the government or something...

    anyway, the extra $42 CDN or so that got tacked on at the border (also picked up a couple extras -- bubbler stem? mini grinder... or did it come with that?) still justifies the extra battery, protective case, and doob tubes they threw in there. whatever the extras were. I suppose that's about the same as if I bought it from a retailer with zero extras and paid tax though, so maybe it works out. perhaps

    any suggestions on first time use? plug in, charge, burn off twice, then pack it up to rip?

    I'll maybe pick up some of those Fury 2 cartridges you guys mentioned, just to keep it stupid clean. I like having it off the bottom of the chamber a bit for that extra touch of convection, as I occasionally did with my OG Arizer Air with a double screen pack (above and below in the glass stem). all about those terps :)

    dammit guys, I think I might even get a Dynavap or Lotus soon, just to have the novelty of something different. and I've been so intermittent / infrequent that even this was a hell of a splurge for me! I was perfectly happy with my Air, but I figured I might as well upgrade to another Arizer model so my buddy wouldn't buy some crappy vape without asking me first. it always astonishes me how many people don't do any research whatsoever and just buy the first thing they come across...

    edit: so I skimmed this thread and saw that there's a place in Toronto I could've bought the vape at, and it would've shown up much sooner. still looks like I got the better deal from 420 EDC, even after eating the customs charge, as they throw in a *LOT* more stuff for the same price. (I suspect Arizer has a minimum advertised price through their authorized resellers, barring sales.)

    so if you are in Canada and want one sooner and with less hassle, try that Toronto Hemp Company shop (THC), but if you want a better accessory bundle and don't mind the wait, I'm pretty happy with 420EDC. even after the mandatory hazing by customs, it's still a better overall deal if you were planning on getting a spare battery, a case, and a water attachment.

    quick follow up, having burned it off a few times...

    how many cycles before it stops smelling like roasted plastic / weird chemicals? :lol:

    I think I'll take a swing at using it tonight anyhow. haven't put anything in it as I was kinda hoping it would just burn off quickly.
     
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  13. Altreac

    Altreac Newb Vaper

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    I know when I first got mine, when doing the burn off, I blew into the air intake on the bottom after it got hot. A small puff of vapor-like stuff came out.
     
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  14. fabronaut

    fabronaut Well-Known Member

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    Good idea! that didn't occur to me at the time, unfortunately. I burnt it off a few times and figured "ehh, if that isn't doing it, guess I'll just use it."

    I'll do a mini comparison to the (original, first run version, as I bought it immediately upon release) Arizer Air.

    I gotta say... this is a damn good vaporizer. :) I think I saw a picture or two of it, but I had no clue as to how small it was! I think I figured it was maybe 30% larger than it actually is -- not quite as large as the Da Vinci models I glanced at years ago when I was researching my first vaporizer purchase, but not THAT small. I knew the tech would've come along over the years, but damn. what a time to be alive! :rofl:

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly complain about draw resistance... there's almost none. anyone who thinks the draw resistance is a problem may possibly have some issues with lung capacity or breathing, in which case, I'm not qualified to comment on that.

    I'm generally comparing that to my Air, but also various Pax models and a couple desktop ones my friends have had over the years, and recently some "Zeus" branded Crafty clone / ripoff. the draw resistance is so low that when I loaded the chamber and took a moderate pull that would have been equivalent to what I would've used on the Air, I immediately ended up with bits in my mouth. that's really not my thing, so I pulled out the stem, tapped it out, stuck one of the four supplied screens in the stem, reloaded it, and all was well!

    having the granular temperature adjustment is really nice. I also don't understand complaints about "instant on" versus the heat-up time. this thing heats up damn fast. subjectively, it seems to be at least 2 - 3x faster than the original Air's warmup time. mind you, I'm using this indoors presently, not in sub-zero Canadian winter temperatures, which would obviously take longer and be harder on the battery.

    the standard accessories in the ArGo box are thoughtful and well packaged. it comes with the charger, a micro USB cable, 4 screens, 2 glass stems, a stirring tool (which I would use to scrape the bits out of the screen when cleaning if needed -- stirring isn't necessary!), and I think a small carry case? at first I thought one of my glass stems cracked in transit / packaging, but it turned out it was just the protective plastic sleeve around it. top marks there. the 420 EDC package is an awesome value add, as you get your choice of several options (additional battery, more stems, grinder, IIRC) and a case for the same price as I found other online stores listing it. I suspect Arizer enforces a minimum advertisable price (MAP) with its sellers, so this is a very smart way to provided added value while respecting that requirement. highly recommended.

    initial impression of the battery life was kinda meh, but that could've been due to a combination of factors (multiple burnoffs, fiddling with the temperature), so I won't get into that. wouldn't surprise me if the batteries don't last as long as they would in the Air for me, given that this thing heats up so damn fast. it would be nice if I could tune the heatup time to stretch the battery out, but that's probably a firmware thing that is set at the factory and locked in place for a good reason, I presume.

    so yeah, my only gripes initially would be very minor things.
    • I wish they'd kept the entire chassis metal, as grippy plastic can kind of decay after a few years into that weird slimy, sticky mess, possibly due to a combination of moderate heat and the oils on our hands? I'm basing this off of experiences with a few remote controls we've had in the house. it doesn't seem to be the same type of rubberized material that can get all funky. maybe it's the rubberizing and it's not a plastics issue, I have no idea. I still think all metal would be classier and possibly slightly more durable, but the plastic is probably there to keep it cool in the hand during use, with most of the heat being dissipated around the intake and heating core chamber.
    • that battery door cover seems like it might not hold up to abuse. it looks sturdy enough, but I kinda prefer the simplicity of the threaded bottom on the Air. anything with moving / mechanical parts is generally the first thing to fail. I don't plan on swapping batteries all that frequently to avoid general wear and tear, possibly throwing a small rechargeable portable Li-Ion and micro USB cable in my stash case to top up the unit when it gets low. (assuming there's enough current / amperage to charge it?)
    • similar nervousness about the spring loaded top. it works well enough, but I'll only use it when absolutely necessary. I'm going to keep it in the supplied crush resistant carry case with the top permanently down (stem up). I don't see myself carrying it outside of the carry case frequently, and if I do, Mark at 420 EDC recommended I put it in a soft / cloth case if I'm going to toss it in my pocket, to avoid possibly scratching the OLED screen, which is a good tip.
    • would've been nice to have some inverted plug caps in the box as well, as opposed to just the rubber stem caps that only protect the stem when it's in the "use" position (stem up, spring loaded top down). just seems to be a bit of an oversight, as wouldn't people want to keep materials from falling out when transporting it? I would think the spring loaded cover is intended to go up and cover the stem, but the cover can't be up with the rubber cap on.

    as mentioned, can't accurately comment on the battery as of yet. I have two batteries (thanks again to 420 EDC for putting together a fantastic bundle, Mark was a pleasure to deal with), so if one turns out to be a lemon, I'll figure that out in a few weeks.

    I also bought a bubbler stem and took advantage of the 420 EDC bundle and got a WPA stem with my purchase. maybe I'll take a swing at using these on the weekend if I get the chance. I'd recommend this vape to anyone who wants something that's easy to use and probably more reliable than the competitors. from what I gather, Arizer has been doing this for a long time, and I don't think my minor complaints are going to be much of an issue in actual day to day use. :)

    it's funny that I am even considering day to day use, as I went through phases where I didn't partake at all for a month or two, but the convenience and ability to "tune" my session temperature according to the strain I'm using and experience I want is absolutely divine. that was the main reason I upgraded, but I gotta say... the additional portability (or should I say "palm-ability"?) and lowered draw resistance are equally compelling. I never knew I would've wanted that in the first place!

    pretty good odds that I'm gonna buy myself the affordable Dynavap soon as well for a different use case -- going out to punk shows and concerts, like I am tonight! I used to make a habit of rolling a bunch of j's in advance and loading up a cigarette case, but that's a lot more expensive and I mostly just ended up sharing them around. it's fun to look like a big spender sometimes though, haha. :cool: the usual caveats apply: it's a lot harder on the lungs / body, the smell gets everywhere (though I mostly like that!), and even though it's all legal for recreational use here now, there's still a stigma in some venues and it's not like cops and security people will all change their attitudes overnight. a vaporizer will get you there with less chance of being cast as a social pariah, so hooray for that!

    I'm excited to bring my ArGo with me when I'm keeping an eye on my stuff, but for something that can really take abuse, is even more pocketable, and won't break my heart / budget if I erm.... somehow misplace it... I'll be getting the Dynavap. more compact, super low tech, but again, a totally different use case. (can't really regulate the temperature per se...?)

    the Arizer Go is a winner. go buy one, ya turkeys. :nod::clap: it's so damn good, I'm getting back into the habit in a big way along with other healthy habits (like long neglected exercise!). not sure what higher praise I can give than that! :love:
     
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  15. Old School

    Old School Vape13man

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    1 week in......

    I set out to replace my 6 yr primary daily driver the Inhalater 5s a portable log vape where the heater is literally wrapped around the stem a very powerful efficient system of extraction... something I knew would be difficult to replace.....that said......

    This little guy gets very close indeed....

    Sure like all of vapes there are slight nuances that require differing techniques to be used...... I'll go ahead & share what I've figured out works for me.....before I do ty to OF & others for their comments as they helped quite a bit with said learning curve......

    1st after pulling out the stem a couple times & the ARGO biscuit was not in the stem any longer but rather had gotten stuck to the heater bowl..... Lmao......if this happens to you as well don't panic I just simply carefully slipped the stem back in gave it a twist before pulling it came right out afterwards....

    To be honest the fact that we/I are getting biscuits or hockey pucks is an indication it's not completely extracted....anyway 1st thing I learned was to give it a slight packing.... I now use the tip of my pinky to concave the stem........I also give it a tap upside down make sure it all stays in good.....

    2nd enlightenment......
    Don't completely seat the stem..... Brilliant........ this was for me ARGO's finest hour IMHO.....well technically that needed to be coupled with "heat soaking" which basically comes down to rhythm or timing so ty for that folks....

    Especially you OF..... I even tried your 190 only method & got the same results but I just couldn't bring myself to give it to the abv jar....... I feel ripped off cheated almost.....not satisfied for sure so I guess I'll be needing ALL of the fractions.....ty ha ha ha :rofl:

    Ok so my protocol after 1st week is to pack coarse grind concave it so it can't contact bowl when I finally do seat it...
    I set temp to 220c but only partially seat the stem then I let it reach temp then heat soak a bit before taking my 1st rip.... very tasty most rewarding... each rip thereafter simply amazing several on par with what I'm used to.... I found I liked the timer set to 12 min sessions...

    2nd run again up on 220c.....reason being once I realized the heater was down below the bowl I'm now heat soaking that area with all it can create so that when I begin my rip I'll draw all of that heat into the actually herb chamber stem.....so now during the 2nd run I'm seating the stem closer to the bottom as needed......

    So bottom line for me is......

    I'm quite pleasantly surprised with this vape......

    I can't say it replaces my Inh 5s but something I wasn't expecting is I feel as though it fills in for my grasshopper..... I love the GH ass kicker no question however I couldn't handle the super hot vapor so hydra tube has become part of that protocol...... well the ARGO partial seating offers users like myself the ability to fine tune just enough the ratio of conduction / convection.....

    So yea....... I lovin this little thing.....its the bomb for sure......

    ARGOoooooo get sum.....:rockon:

    OS :peace:
     
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  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Great update, glad you're quickly becoming fast friends. Easy to do, it's a great unit like Solo and Air.

    You might try 'hamster style' for your above issue. Hold the stem 'upside down' (bowl up) and slide the unit over it. Then hit it upside down (like a hamster sucking on his water bottle) a hit or two. This 'glues' the ABV into the stem without any contact with the bowl bottom. After a hit or two, you can safely invert it and let the 'glue' aspect fight gravity for you.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
  17. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    Let me tell you why....I am one of those that stirs pretty much every vape I use...even vapcaps.


    With using the Arizers with the glass bowls/stems as the oven/bowl......when you use the vape without a rig and the vape is upright in position....the oven is upside down and open to the heater below....so your flower can fall on or touch the heater plate at the bottom of the vape oven.

    So what happens is that you loose flavor quicker by letting the most vaped/extracted part of the load always at the forefront of the extraction.....thus giving you the flavor from the most heated up part of the load.

    So I stir after 3 or 4 draws to rotate the most un-heated/extracted flower bits to the top of the stem...or what is the bottom when inserted....then it is next to or on the metal heated plate.

    So by stirring at least 1 time....I can keep the taste better for longer through the bowl extraction process.

    I try to get the most of of possible taste as I am a med using and use mostly top shelf flower.



    Pro Vape Tip:
    With that said, if you do not want to stir....but want to not burn/over extract 1.3 of the load as it is sitting on the metal plate...... Take your first draw with the vape upside down so the flower will then stick together bits will not fall away from the load. Then just continue normally with the stem upright over the vape. You could actually only have it upside down for the first draw for about half of it if your flower is sticky or dense enough.



    Hope this helps some and explains to others why I stir even in these smaller loaded vapes. Sure I could just not stir and finish the bowl...I have many times. But if I want the most taste I can get and keep going through the session......stir is mandatory. The only time I would not stir...is if the stem is packed for a few draws only...like half full or something....and that rarely will happen for me.
     
  18. Hackerman

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    Stirring definitely makes the whole thing more efficient. With that said, I never stir. I use the rationalization that it makes the ABV better for edibles. Truth is, it's just more hassle than I'll succumb to.
     
  19. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    Yup....I agree Hackerman......but I will put up with the hassle/inconvenience because I am a taste snob......haaaaa
     
  20. Dattisso

    Dattisso Spacevaper

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    My favorite electric portable vape, the Argo, was out on loan at a friend, who was trying to fuck combustion. In the end he couldn't...

    But man, did I miss my Argo more and more and was I glad to get my Argo back! :) (after four months).
    Especially for on the go and outside it's my stealthiest one and at home it's a very nice session vape when I want something different than my butane vapes.

    Someone here mentioned that the dosing capsules of the Fury 2 perfectly fits the Argo stem (without the capsule cap), and yes it does!
    So now it's easier for me to microdose and it's even more portable and stealthier, 'cause I can prepare five dosing capsules for the Argo for on the go! Nice! :tup:
     
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  21. MonsterWithoutBorders

    MonsterWithoutBorders Philosophim

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    I am in Canada today with arGo. Why is that newsworthy one might ask. It is the only vape I can easily get clean to get over a border with without worry (or over a wall with). Victoria dispensaries recommendations accepted.
     
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  22. indicandescent

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    Hey! I've been ArGoing for about six months or so, a very welcome portable counterpart to my log vape I use at home. Am I understanding this correctly, that you are not "locking" the stem into place / not fully inserting it? I had never thought of trying this, and I'm curious what the advantage is? Better airflow or?

    And just to chime in on the recent question of full extraction and use habits, I agree with others that don't like to stir and don't get FULL full extractions for the portion of the stem furthest from the heat. I usually vape two ten minute sessions, starting the first in the 370's and usually bumping up to 385ish halfway through. Second session bumping up to 300 - 395 to finish it out. I have tried going for further sessions on stems but this seems to result in poor flavor. The flavor on session two is usually OK and by the end is pretty deteriorated. Are the folks that are getting fully dark brown the whole stem through doing it just for the sake of economy or is there some secret tip to keeping flavor alive longer that I'm unaware of?
     
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  23. John Coaltrain

    John Coaltrain Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I insert fully. I've experimented a lot with retracting the stem slightly – with both my ArGo and Solo II – but find it not advantageous overall; it does reduce draw restriction, but at the expense of producing a wispier draw. I believe if one finds the draw too restrictive, one is simply drawing too hard. Let the vapour come to you, rather than drag it to you; receive rather than take.

    I got away from stirring for a while, but returned to it recently. I feel stirring does result in both a more consistent and thorough extraction, and helps also to maintain flavour. I determine the extent of extraction not by colour, but by flavour.

    My thinking is that the flavour is negatively affected when the flower closest to the oven becomes 'over-cooked,' and when one doesn't stir, that affect increases, since that flower continues to darken and emit increasingly burnt-popcorn-esque flavours. Stirring results in a rejuvenation of flavour, since flower which hasn't been darkened by close contact with the heat of the oven can now offer its comparatively more pristine fruits to the user.

    I also feel that by stirring, I don't have to temp-step as often, or as high. This is a bonus for me, since I like the low temperature affect (particularly in the day/afternoon), the more cerebral-stimulating, energizing affect as opposed to the tranquilizing affect of higher temperatures (though those are nice in the evening). I don't have to reach those higher zombifying temperatures in order to extract from the flower furthest away from the oven.

    I really feel my return to stirring has mitigated considerably the issues of both taste depletion and uneven extraction. And since I'm dividing my sessions into at least two – why not give a little stir in-between?
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2019
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  24. Old School

    Old School Vape13man

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    Yes you do in fact understand me correctly......

    The benefit / advantage I've found is it allows me to capture just what your looking for......longer lasting flavor....

    Here try this once just to try it..... I see you like to start at 370....instead try starting at 385 but don't seat 1/4" of stem (you can use the protection guard as a guide) go ahead & let it reach temp & rest a moment then enjoy a few rips there....excellent flavor here....

    So then when your ready you can either step up temp or insert further or a combination......a bit of time tuning.... & all this while preserving taste if your holding off on fully seating until the very end...... the kill run....

    Bottom line the advantage is flavor preservation as long as possible while still able to extract nice healthy rips....
    :rockon:

    OS :peace:

    Edit:

    Let the vapour come to you, rather than drag it to you; receive rather than take.

    NICE...... Very well put.......
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2019
  25. Powerslave

    Powerslave New Member

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    Hello everyone..first of all i want to thank everyone in this amazing community..this place is a wiki for stoners/vapers..i am thinking of buying the argo, but i would like to know if it can be used with dosing pods..like flowermate's nano for example..has anyone ever tried it before? Also another choice for me is the DaVinci Miqro (i love the looks of it), but i want something with dosing capsules..i know that many use the Argo with Fury pods, but i see that it works more as a spacer, and this is not my intension..i want to preload and just pop the capsule in..
     
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