Discontinued The Grasshopper

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
I just watched Vape Critics review. I always take his reviews with a grain of salt just because I take everyone's reviews with a grain of salt. I feel like reviews help steer me, but I have learned that in no way should I trust one person's opinion but rather a collective mind of opinions (such as FC). When the Cloud first came out, FC was going nuts, and even with its growing pains, it's still the best vape I have ever used (still using my cloud evo).

That being said, cutting through his bias, how hot really is the vapor? Let's say I'm going out to bar with a friend, can we reasonably take a bunch of hits outside with it quickly? Or will it actually get too hot? Or is a better tack to take a LARGE hit and be one and done.

I do have my titanium on order, and I'm no stranger to hot vapor, as my pax at high temperature got pretty hot at times. How is it compared to that? A bit hotter?

It is hot, on higher temps it can be very hot, concentrated heat drawn fast against your throat tongue or lips, but you can adjust technique for it to be manageable. The physical heat is easily controlled by clicking off between hits, am turning it off toward he end of my hit 95% of the time to clear the heat out and I am only using the SS for now. Back to back it can get warm, but with proper technique the mouthpiece won't get physically hit and it is an ergonomic shape (I remember people saying they put the whole oven in their mouths bc it was better insulated there but not necessary this way at all).

The vapor itself can be hot and harsh in the way a conduction session vape can be on upper temps (meaning above level 3 here in my experience) especially one with a short vapor path oven/chamber right under the mouthpiece. Here it can be hotter bc the heater is much more powerful, meant to work with very fast big rips, rapidly heating (and clicking) when engaged to maintain temp. So in a way the vapor quality could be lower than your Pax and comparable to other session conduction vapes, but the hits will be better bc of the pure convection, stronger and more efficient, and low temp wise overall better imo.

I haven't gotten to try using with others yet though, Ti will cool quicker though right, so using this proper on demand vape technique it should work well. If you want to keep it on and pass it without any chilling, you can get blasted real quick with even one or two big hits at non low temps, but you would have to tolerate a decent amount of harsh heat is all I think, many people don't have issue with that, some definitely will.

maybe vpae critic is pissed off because he had to wait for his ghand also paid for it...but who knows sometimes I have the opinion that he is getting paid or at least gifted...

and regarding hotness of vapor which other portable is compareable...

Yeah honestly for me, even through that big glass piece I posted a photo of it the upper temps are still hot and lower vapor quality than some other vapes I have, but the power in the package is the cause. Comparably it really is like a Cloud Evo and not like many portables, it's like a mini Evo with like zero vapor path so that's a lot of hot air is all, the way the heater works, it's just the nature of this unique design. It's like a Lily stock mouthpiece maybe with the hotness of the vapor if used at upper temp settings, or a very short stem ss tip ss bowl log hit perhaps...

I come from a bong background right, and so the smoking mentality is still in my blood.
As a whole, the vaping experience for me has altered my appreciation for cannabis, and it has a lot to offer.
I think the GH offers perfect middleground.
If you spend a bunch on a Mighty - you will get a mind-blowing vaping experience. That's how I would explain my encounter with that brilliant device.
But the 'vaping' experience is a far cry from hitting a fat bong. It's slow and pleasant, and not properly extreme.
The hopper is more extreme than the Mighty, ever, ever so slightly less extreme than my EQ, and generally just what I'm looking for.
It fades the transition between smoking and vaping.

Yeah man you need to try some more manual convection on demand vapes, all require some level of technique but the reward is often bong like hits, true smokers' vapes in my experience (for me Daisy/Lily and Milaana mainly, but quite a few others too, possibly including logs depending on use). There's just something slightly different about more automatic convection like the ones you mention :2c: But yes as a vaper's vape GH is like the ultimate, stealth and convenience like a wax pen or exig with precison and still plenty of power.

I agree.
He spends like 3-4 minutes bashing the design, asking why it looks like a pen and why there's a pen clip. Seriously? Then goes into the nuances of the pen clicking and how you need to put "a decent amount of force" into it. Like, it's obviously designed to look like a pen, and you need a decent amount of force so it won't turn on in your pocket or another location.

I get it's his opinions, but it felt like he didn't even think about the design or anything about it.

Edit: In regards to the heat, I personally always use it with the silicon mouthpiece. The first time I used it I noticed the heat and I had to adjust my technique, now I never notice it. I do notice when I pass it around some people find it does get hot on their lips, but again you just have to tell them to only have a light grip.

Yeah the pen design is the source of a lot of the cons for the vape, it is incredible that it does not sacrifice power or convenience for the pen form though like you would expect based on other small vapes. It is truly like Thermovape evo evolution in a lot of ways, more automatic a desktop in a slimmer form and the crazy part is near identical to a fancy space pen. I do feel thats really cool but having used other stealthy vapes I could see it working well without those limitations, still being super stealth with less overall performance sacrifice...

But yes proper technique avoids issues for a solid vape, like the Elevape and many many other amazing powerful efficient portable vapes. Why Vape Critic proves himself a poor authority on the subject, he can only handle automatic for the most part and doesn't learn to use a new vape and get the most of it... maybe that is how the masses are though?

i think he is using Hopper wrong. he talked about few hits before it is getting hot. but this is aint no session vape. user should be coughing and sweating after clearing that bowl in two big rips. this is one hitter. i think he doesn't get this concept. because he opens up a chamber and gives a stirring like to fcuking launch box. WTF? is anyone else doing that? and he is first one to suggest that fine grinded material is better for a Hopper. :hmm: i heard people not grinding herb at all, or just grinding it coarse. others say that it gives better air flow and therefore a cloud also. plus not clogging that screen so badly as a powdered weed.

very, very fishy his review this time. he say opposite things to general feedback.

Yeah as automatic as it is, it is still best used like an on demand pure convection manual vape, it has its own quirks and proper technique can overcome them. Like I said he is a vapor fool, like not knowing the battery situation, he made up his mind before he got it how he would use it and how he felt about the hype. I don't get why there are several pages talking about him, we are all here bc this is a far better resource than his garbage, I learned he was a waste of time after my third vape (joined here after number 2)...

Yeah courseish grind is good, but screen can get clogged depending on pack and draw anyway, sometimes I do open mine up and see it all compacted at the top and I poke it free and loose again (usually if there is some fine mixed in, depends on strain etc, so that is indeed a decent factor as you say) This is definitely a rare pure convection vape that really does work without stirring easily, but like pretty much every single one I have ever used it can still benefit from a little stir. There are ways to avoid stirring like in Elevape and Milaana, here it is easier to do, but it also possible to need to stir depending on use is my point.

That this is a fantastic on demand pure convection vape, mixes a lot of elements and has a lot of pros and cons, but it is a vape capable of properly fucking combustion (based on my own definition and experience with it all) and that often entails a learning curve of some sort. And if you read the threads here, you will usually know what to expect and adjust accordingly. If you watch VC reviews, you'll end up with a less effective vape, but simpler in a sense, so let's move on shall we? ;):D
 

nikcorda

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im gonna try to keep this short, cause im obviously in the minority here... but it didnt work haha

i do like my grasshopper, i will reluctantly say "game changer", but its far from perfect. and i will mainly agree with vape critic here on his review.

my background: stopped combusting mj about 2 years ago for various health reasons (life long asthma sufferer, and used to smoke a pack of cigerettes a day in my late teens early 20s quit about 10 years ago, lots of wheezing and getting sick, etc). now in my early 30s i only use a silver surfer with a regular whip, and a pax on the way to work before i got the hopper. both give me good cool vapor, pax was a bitch to clean and didnt taste that great though. but very rarely any combustion for 2 years. have smoked my whole life, current usage about an 1/8 every 5 days, so i have a decent tolerance. my health has improved a lot since i stopped combusting, so im never going back.

now the hopper: ive owned a hopper for about 4 weeks now. was a may 2015 Ti pre order, but got tired of waiting and got a refund, bought a SS retail unit from a guy on reddit instead. just sent it back to hopper labs cause its broken, bad charger right out of the box, now my back end gets very hot during usage, real poor battery life, only two bowls or about 12 hits off a full charge, dial on the backend was loose and had a lot of play. have four batteries all the same thing.

from day one i noticed that the actual vapor coming out of the hopper is very hot above setting 4 on the hopper. the mouthpiece temperature on my lips does not bother me at all, just the vapor temperature. for me personally its unusable without a whip at least 8" long or some kind of water, it "burns" the back of my throat. ive tried to use all parts of my tongue to redirect the vapor, pointing the hopper to different parts of my mouth, but still its just too hot. im fairly certain it almost legitimately burned my tongue one time on setting 4.5.

now on settings below 4 i can use it dry, no silicone mouthpiece, no issues at all. but you dont get big thick clouds either. still works, but i love those big clouds it can produce with a short whip or water piece.

i will say that flavor and efficiency of herbs used are amazing. im not a fan of flavor on temp 5, it gets kind nasty towards the end, i usually stop at 4.6 or so. and those of you who are not hopper fanboys will note that vape critic mentioned these two benefits in the review as well. nobody caught that?

also, the vape critic did mention that the heat issue was only at the top of the heat range, above 3.8 or so, nobody else caught that either?

i disagree with him about the stealth factor. i get it. the clip is cheap as f*ck but whatever, it looks exactly like a pen and i enjoy that stealthiness.

this is all for flower, concentrates are a different ball game, and i dont have much experience there yet. but i tried a little shatter wrapped in cotton, on temp 5 through a water piece, and its works very very well.

EDIT: my solution to the issues, carry a small whip or water pnwt type device. i dont mind, and it makes the hopper completely useable for me

all just my .02, not worth a damn, ymmv :peace: :tup::leaf:
 

Bass Vaper

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Any best practices to share for use when outside? I've yet to get any vape to work well outside (Pax, Pn Pro, Hopper).

Seems that even with the Hopper on 4 I struggled to get hits today (and other times). Light load, fine grind, no luck.
 
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Vapetrees

Vaped Out
Any best practices to share for use when outside? I've yet to get any vape to work well outside (Pax, Pn Pro, Hopper).

Seems that even with the Hopper on 4 I struggled to get hits today (and other times). Light load, fine grind, no luck.
Are you sure it just doesn't feel like you're not getting clouds because the outside air makes it hard to see the vapor? As opposed to being inside and the air is not moving as rapidly allowing you to see the vapor? I haven't had any problems using mine outside. I even take off the mouthpiece and check the oven to see if I actually vaporized the herb.

@nikcorda Not a "fanboy", and I caught everything said in Vape Critics review, but maybe something is wrong with your GH and his. While I agree with you that the taste on the GH gets bad on temperature 5, I haven't had any issues with mine burning me at all. One of the reasons the taste gets bad is because it's at 410 degrees, and it extracts so quickly that the taste doesn't last. I still think it's better than most conduction vapes I've tried at the same temperature.
 

hi_there

Well-Known Member
Seems that even with the Hopper on 4 I struggled to get hits today (and other times). Light load, fine grind, no luck.

Try 4.25? It should work the same inside and outside, unless you have crazy cold weather.


Just wanted to chime in on the GH vs. FF2, got my FF2 last week and have enjoyed it.

Too be honest this pair is perfect together. The FF2 for home with using the GH thru water right before bed and the GH for on-the-go. If you go to a friends house or have friends over it is fun to have both of these moving around. Instant vape at home and on the go at all times, gotta love technology!!!
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
Granted, I don't have a grasshopper, but what is the point of a super elite, super stealthy unit, if the purpose is hitting it with a water pipe?

I get using portables at home (all I own is a portable), but then something like this seems perfect for out and about use. I bite pens all the time, lol, so it'd be easy to hide.

Honestly, I'm not knocking it if it works, but just seems odd to me :shrug:
 
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moondog

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Granted, I don't have a grasshopper, but what is the point of a super elite, super stealthy unit, if the purpose is hitting it with a water pipe?

I get using portables at home (all I own is a portable), but then something like this seems perfect for out and about use. I bite pens all the time, lol, so it'd be easy to hide.

Honestly, I'm not knocking it if it works, but just seems odd to me :shrug:
I don't have mine yet either, but the appeal to me is that it is the "ultimate" stealth device for out and about but also, apparently, can be a great engine for powering a not-at-all-stealthy water rig in the home.

hi there: Sounds like you've got a nice lineup at your fingertips. If the FF2 didn't require the a smart phone app to access all its functionality, I would be VASing for it pretty heavily as a companion to the GH.
 

hi_there

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hi there: Sounds like you've got a nice lineup at your fingertips. If the FF2 didn't require the a smart phone app to access all its functionality, I would be VASing for it pretty heavily as a companion to the GH.

ya, i wonder why they did not offer a second way of doing it, with button taps and such. Maybe they will figure something out.

One thing I have to say about the GH - the fact that it gets too hot to use sans condom is a pretty big f-ck up in my opinion. Even at 4 it gets unbearably hot, I am sure at 5 after the first draw you would not be able to put your mouth on it.
 
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ya, i wonder why they did not offer a second way of doing it, with button taps and such. Maybe they will figure something out.

One thing I have to say about the GH - the fact that it gets too hot to use sans condom is a pretty big f-ck up in my opinion. Even at 4 it gets unbearably hot, I am sure at 5 after the first draw you would not be able to put your mouth on it.
I can vape a whole bowl on temp five no problem and no condom. Wrap your hand around the tip between draws and unless you have the most sensitive lips ever it should be fine.
 

hi_there

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I can vape a whole bowl on temp five no problem and no condom. Wrap your hand around the tip between draws and unless you have the most sensitive lips ever it should be fine.

You mean your lips are not touching the metal? Either way it is too hot, you should not have to do tricks. I would get in the GH2 they will make the vapor travel a tad further or figure something out.
 
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Custom Flower Hardware

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Vape Critic's Grasshopper Review:

Here you go gang. I know it's a replay from last October but after this shitty review I thought I would save you all 17min off of that painful watch to show you a good review with just plain good music to get you happy!:nod:. Fist let me say Vape Critic, you just lost a fan. Do be pissed off when taping first off. If you praise the FF2 for double the price it leads me to believe that you have be "taken care of". You get the same taste and vapor quality with convection no mater what the unit. The user has complete control. T1, Minivap, GH, FF, Milanna. Anyway, venting done. (By the way, this vapor was "sunlight enhanced". :tup:
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Try 4.25? It should work the same inside and outside, unless you have crazy cold weather.


Just wanted to chime in on the GH vs. FF2, got my FF2 last week and have enjoyed it.

Too be honest this pair is perfect together. The FF2 for home with using the GH thru water right before bed and the GH for on-the-go. If you go to a friends house or have friends over it is fun to have both of these moving around. Instant vape at home and on the go at all times, gotta love technology!!!

That's why I think GH and Milaana is an awesome pair, automatic digital stealthy supersportable and manual analog power portable, both pure on demand convection. What a time to be alive and fucking combustion
 
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Tdtour

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The vape critic mention you should use a water device with the GH. A lot of videos do show a lot of users using a water device to cool the vapor down. Vapefiend does iit in his vids. One point I kind of agree with is the silicone mouth piece does get dirty and it does look gross, think of a smokers teeth. As far as I can tell since Im still waiting on mine. Vape critic does seem off in this vid, he dropped the GH out of the box. He did not mention any issue with the hopper, je did not mention its lifetime warranty and if he needed to use it.
 
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Custom Flower Hardware

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I disagree, with the FF2 because of the long vapor path you get a cool tasty hit. With the GH you get a warm/hot thicker cloud that can still taste good but the taste for me is much different.
When the temp on the hopper is set lower (yes there is a low end to the temp spectrum on this device) the taste is every bit as cool and tasty as the ff. I can use it without the condom on 5 and still get a cool tasty hit just quicker because of my mastery of the power button. Click it off and coast residual heat (like the Mi) plus this makes my hit count like 25 not 12 per battery. Usually 5 bowls. Neither is better but totally different imho.
 

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now on settings below 4 i can use it dry, no silicone mouthpiece, no issues at all. but you dont get big thick clouds either. still works, but i love those big clouds it can produce with a short whip or water piece.

i will say that flavor and efficiency of herbs used are amazing. im not a fan of flavor on temp 5, it gets kind nasty towards the end, i usually stop at 4.6 or so. and those of you who are not hopper fanboys will note that vape critic mentioned these two benefits in the review as well. nobody caught that?

also, the vape critic did mention that the heat issue was only at the top of the heat range, above 3.8 or so, nobody else caught that either?

i disagree with him about the stealth factor. i get it. the clip is cheap as f*ck but whatever, it looks exactly like a pen and i enjoy that stealthiness.

this is all for flower, concentrates are a different ball game, and i dont have much experience there yet. but i tried a little shatter wrapped in cotton, on temp 5 through a water piece, and its works very very well.

EDIT: my solution to the issues, carry a small whip or water pnwt type device. i dont mind, and it makes the hopper completely useable for me

all just my .02, not worth a damn, ymmv :peace: :tup::leaf:

Great post!

It's not that people didn't catch his benefits of the Grasshopper, but it's moreso the way he presented the negative and the positive parts of the Grasshopper. He takes probably a third of a time briefly explaining the benefits of the Grasshopper, and then goes into another long-winded explanation of the negatives. Talking about the negatives is fine if you explain yourself, rather than just throw out ill-formed opinions.

I personally don't watch a lot of vape reviews since I prefer FC's opinions way more, so maybe other vape reviewers are like that as well. But I really disliked the way he talked in absolutes, stuff like "you can't use it about this temperature, it's way too hot".

I agree it's not perfect, but honestly the way it's designed to look like a pen I don't think there's anyway around the big flaws (hot mouthpiece, heat). I think once GH Labs starts developing a second vape, it'll be designed to look more like a vape and alleviate the GH's main issues.
 

gleo

Gluntorp Worldwide
Have had my SS from VF for six weeks now. It's still blowing my mind. Even though it's mainly kept on 4 (native) and 5 (do20-d), the vapor doesn't bother me one bit. Long story short, I have nothing but love for the hopper.

I used it this weekend to:
-assist in the late night cruise while listening to Skepta's "Konnichiwa" front to back.
-help me stay positive and energetic as I found my way back from the middle of an empty and intricate park.
-be my guide on the 2am taco run.
-shoot me into the clouds while I grooved at the roller rink.

Also...I keep it low-key when using it in public, but I just wanted to say that i have yet attract any unwanted attention. I still enjoy smoking, but this will continue to be my ride or die for when I'm on the go. The hits I get off this are sexy. THE GRASSHOPPA PLAYS NO GAMES. :D
 

vapviking

Old & In the Way
Here you go gang. I know it's a replay from last October but after this shitty review I thought I would save you all 17min off of that painful watch to show you a good review with just plain good music to get you happy!:nod:. Fist let me say Vape Critic, you just lost a fan. Do be pissed off when taping first off. If you praise the FF2 for double the price it leads me to believe that you have be "taken care of". You get the same taste and vapor quality with convection no mater what the unit. The user has complete control. T1, Minivap, GH, FF, Milanna. Anyway, venting done. (By the way, this vapor was "sunlight enhanced". :tup:
Thank you.
The Vape Critic seemed to be on drugs or something.
Fumbled with the hopper, dropped it (twice?). Rambled on boring me for about 4x longer than necessary.
I believe he should have scrapped this review and done another take.
His 'unboxing' and the attitude about 'not much in the box' made me wonder what he's expecting to be in there? why the long face?
My main disappointment is in the length and relative lack of actual information. His disappointment could have been expressed so much more efficiently.
It's easy to criticize the critic, I suppose. But this was a big waste of time. I won't accuse directly, but this lackadaisical attitude caused me to wonder if the guy might be unhappy that he didn't get an earlier (free) try at the Hopper.
btw @ShayWhiteGrow , I think you meant to write, "Don't be pissed off when taping...". And, is that Hopper from last fall still going strong?
 

elastic.plastic

Looking for interesting people and vapes
Finally got my hopper at a cannabis expo, but 4 days it worked well, yesterday it dies the temp sensor death. Blue/Red light flashing, time for return to dealer :( but lifetime warranty and replacing within 48h is a pretty good service from my salesman.. hope to have a hopper without issues soon (was a SN within the 2700s)
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
Granted, I don't have a grasshopper, but what is the point of a super elite, super stealthy unit, if the purpose is hitting it with a water pipe?

I get using portables at home (all I own is a portable), but then something like this seems perfect for out and about use. I bite pens all the time, lol, so it'd be easy to hide.

Honestly, I'm not knocking it if it works, but just seems odd to me :shrug:
It's the ergonomics, along with the portability that make it ideal for water pipes.
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This is the EQ, it's tethered to the wall, has tripping hazards, is totally cumbersome.
It will also burn you properly given the chance.
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Hopper speaks for itself!
 

Vapetrees

Vaped Out
It's the ergonomics, along with the portability that make it ideal for water pipes.
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This is the EQ, it's tethered to the wall, has tripping hazards, is totally cumbersome.
It will also burn you properly given the chance.
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Hopper speaks for itself!
Wow, I want a piece like that now lol.
 
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