Is RSO vapable?

misanthrope · Mar 30, 2016

Hello Everyone,

I've not posted for quite some time, but there is something I've been wondering. Is RSO vapable and if so, ThabThaThabjsis it doable in a Solo or Ssv?

I have read different things online, some of which warn against the risks of inhaling solvents etc

Forgive my ignorance if it's been asked before, but is rso considered a concentrate?

Thanks in advance for letting me know. This is the best forum on the internet for excellent info. Cheers.

Vaponly · Mar 30, 2016

misanthrope said:
Hello Everyone,

I've not posted for quite some time, but there is something I've been wondering. Is RSO vapable and if so, ThabThaThabjsis it doable in a Solo or Ssv?

I have read different things online, some of which warn against the risks of inhaling solvents etc

Forgive my ignorance if it's been asked before, but is rso considered a concentrate?

Thanks in advance for letting me know. This is the best forum on the internet for excellent info. Cheers.

If we are talking about traditional "Rick Simpson Oil" then no I would not vape it.

It is extracted using naphtha, aka zippo lighter fluid (Light Petroleum Distillate) and contains quite a bit of plant wax.

THEORETICALLY this should not be a problem if you ingest it. :shrug:

misanthrope · Mar 30, 2016

Vaponly said:
If we are talking about traditional "Rick Simpson Oil" then no I would not vape it.

It is extracted using naphtha, aka zippo lighter fluid (Light Petroleum Distillate) and contains quite a bit of plant wax.

THEORETICALLY this should not be a problem if you ingest it.

What if Isopropyl was used rather than naptha? Does that make a difference?

I've got to admit, I'm not that hot on terminology.

seaofgreens · Mar 31, 2016

That is curious. I hadn't heard of that being the "traditional," way of making RSO...

Anyways...

The important thing when making RSO is that the material being processed has been decarboxylated.

This just means taking the material you want to use, and heating it in the oven until all material has gone above... I believe 90 C. Someone can/will correct me if that is wrong I hope.

By doing this, you are activating the material, so that what you extract is immediately digestible without the need for heating.

The extraction, so far as I am concerned, is exactly the same as any other form of extraction. a quick wash technique with isopropyl for instance, should work just fine.

The end result is now something you are able to eat and get effect from, but it is also something I see no reason why you couldn't also stick on a nail and dab. Probably wouldn't taste great though, as decarboxylizing also gets rid of most of the terpenes as well. Might not be the best way to consume it either.

The use of naphtha is not a requirement to achieve RSO though... Just my opinion.

CarolKing · Mar 31, 2016

There is an RSO recipe on FC. It didn't include lighter fluid. Not sure where it is, do a search.
I think it was @smokum that posted the recipe.

The RSO that I've gotten at the dispensaries you can only ingest it in food. They don't use lighter fluid either when they make it.
I tried using a vape pen with RSO, it doesn't work.

It's under the concentrate thread I believe.

Vaponly · Mar 31, 2016

Here is a link to what Rick Simpson has to say about his extraction methods:
http://phoenixtears.ca/articles/solvent-residue-in-the-oil/

While I am sure there are other ways of doing it, here is a traditional way, Rick Simpsons way. I think the idea is to decarb the material and then pull as much stuff out of it as possible (using lighter fluid). It should not be a big deal if used as he intended.

Doing a quick wash with ISO on decarbed material will produce qwiso that has been needlessly decarbed if your intention was to vape rather than make edibles. :2c:

misanthrope said:
What if Isopropyl was used rather than naptha? Does that make a difference?

I've got to admit, I'm not that hot on terminology.

And I am by no means an expert on RSO or concentrates in general. Just reciting what I have read.

If the material was decarbed and soaked rather than quick washed in ISO then the oil will be full of plant wax. I would imagine that it would be quite harsh if vaped.

weenstoned · Mar 31, 2016

Regardless of the safety it will taste really gross (dabbed RSO that I think was made with alcohol once or twice). Better off vaping real concentrates, or flower.

CBDFarm · Mar 31, 2016

It can be done in small amounts. I have done it before out of an atmos. If using larger amounts it tends to pool up due to the consistency of RSO. Better dabbed, but it is doable.

BurninateDabs · Jun 19, 2019

misanthrope said:
Hello Everyone,

I've not posted for quite some time, but there is something I've been wondering. Is RSO vapable and if so, ThabThaThabjsis it doable in a Solo or Ssv?

I have read different things online, some of which warn against the risks of inhaling solvents etc

Forgive my ignorance if it's been asked before, but is rso considered a concentrate?

Thanks in advance for letting me know. This is the best forum on the internet for excellent info. Cheers.

Yes you can dab RSO, and I'm sick of people going omg you're wasting it and telling me how it's a topical or an ingestible, that it's flammable so it can't be dabbed or vaped. They seem to forget if they put fire to their other cocentrates it catches fire too.
Now I wouldn't buy a syringe of RSO to dab all of it I will end up eating the majority of it.
Don't listen to people who say you can't dab RSO that haven't tried. I have tried. Several times, in fact I'm going to take a dab of Flo RSO when I'm done on here. The effects come on very strong but don't last as long as other concentrates.

weenstoned said:
Regardless of the safety it will taste really gross (dabbed RSO that I think was made with alcohol once or twice). Better off vaping real concentrates, or flower.

And a lot of your concentrates are made from just as flammable butane, you aren't applying the flame directly to it. You can in fact, dab RSO.
My credentials? CA budtender 2016, mmj patient since 2014, over 400 strains reviewed, activist that goes into the news and teaches at cannabis education centers, multi state MMJ cardholder. 6 grows and 3 extraction runs (obv not that much but still, did it to learn)
So if you haven't actually tried dabbing RSO, don't say you shouldn't do it.

Baron23 · Jun 20, 2019

BurninateDabs said:
Yes you can dab RSO, and I'm sick of people going omg you're wasting it and telling me how it's a topical or an ingestible, that it's flammable so it can't be dabbed or vaped. They seem to forget if they put fire to their other cocentrates it catches fire too.
Now I wouldn't buy a syringe of RSO to dab all of it I will end up eating the majority of it.
Don't listen to people who say you can't dab RSO that haven't tried. I have tried. Several times, in fact I'm going to take a dab of Flo RSO when I'm done on here. The effects come on very strong but don't last as long as other concentrates.

And a lot of your concentrates are made from just as flammable butane, you aren't applying the flame directly to it. You can in fact, dab RSO.
My credentials? CA budtender 2016, mmj patient since 2014, over 400 strains reviewed, activist that goes into the news and teaches at cannabis education centers, multi state MMJ cardholder. 6 grows and 3 extraction runs (obv not that much but still, did it to learn)
So if you haven't actually tried dabbing RSO, don't say you shouldn't do it.

RSO is yet another term that once had a specific meaning which has been badly blurred by cannabis marketing.

It does indeed stand for Rick Simpson Oil and hence its what Rick Simpson says it is and nothing else.

And yes, Rick Simpson used(s) Naptha. Google Naptha and I believe most (certainly I) would NEVER dab that shit.

His oil is purposefully a full spectrum, keep all of the dirty shit in there, extraction and the way he did it has, IMO, a dangerous purge process. He uses rice cookers while me.....if its hydrocarbon extracted and ain't well purged in a vacuum oven then I ain't dabbing it. Others may do as they please, obviously.

They are selling syringes of "RSO" here in MD's med program. They do NOT use Naptha but rather its an uncleaned up butane type extraction. By uncleaned up, I do not mean that they don't well purge the product in a vacuum oven, but rather there is no attempt to winterize, dewax, distill, or in any other way separate the resultant extraction. This so called RSO is indeed dabable...its properly purged and has been tested for solvent. I just don't see why I would want to dab all of that wax and lipids but I do dab pressed rosin and its fairly dirty also.

Oh...and please pardon me if I'm not over-awed by your credentials. :rolleyes:

hafalump · Jun 20, 2019

A friend makes this with grain alcohol and a freezer, it is dabable, and can b added to flower and vaped or combusted.

Grubby_Pawn · Jul 12, 2019

I've been 'dabbing' and smoking hash oil for at least 15 years. I like to put a dab into some weed and hit it on a bong or pipe. Never decarboxylated though. As far as I'm aware, this happens the moment you put a flame to it... just like with dried flowers. Decarboxylation is for edibles, like butter... that don't get the blow torch treatment.

Jeeshy · Jul 24, 2019

you technically can dab or smoke RSO but it tastes kinda bad and leaves a lot of residue behind, terrible for vape pens but if you have a nail you can clean easily and you really wanna vape the stuff, it does work.

Hashley · Sep 6, 2019

Baron23 said:
RSO is yet another term that once had a specific meaning which has been badly blurred by cannabis marketing.

It does indeed stand for Rick Simpson Oil and hence its what Rick Simpson says it is and nothing else.

And yes, Rick Simpson used(s) Naptha. Google Naptha and I believe most (certainly I) would NEVER dab that shit.

His oil is purposefully a full spectrum, keep all of the dirty shit in there, extraction and the way he did it has, IMO, a dangerous purge process. He uses rice cookers while me.....if its hydrocarbon extracted and ain't well purged in a vacuum oven then I ain't dabbing it. Others may do as they please, obviously.

They are selling syringes of "RSO" here in MD's med program. They do NOT use Naptha but rather its an uncleaned up butane type extraction. By uncleaned up, I do not mean that they don't well purge the product in a vacuum oven, but rather there is no attempt to winterize, dewax, distill, or in any other way separate the resultant extraction. This so called RSO is indeed dabable...its properly purged and has been tested for solvent. I just don't see why I would want to dab all of that wax and lipids but I do dab pressed rosin and its fairly dirty also.

Oh...and please pardon me if I'm not over-awed by your credentials.

Only correction: RSO in MD is filtered. The lipids and removed before decarb. and all solvents are purged.

pakalolo · Sep 6, 2019

Baron23 said:
Oh...and please pardon me if I'm not over-awed by your credentials.

This comment is unnecessary and potentially inflammatory. Please remember our first rule: Be Nice.

Baron23 · Sep 6, 2019

pakalolo said:
This comment is unnecessary and potentially inflammatory. Please remember our first rule: Be Nice.

The poster I was addressing specifically used his credentials to support the superiority of his views over other contrasting views. Therefore, I did at the time (two months ago) feel that commenting on the lack of awe at his credentials was valid.....that is, while a bit snarky, my point was that his opinion was not more valid than other members contrasting opinions.

My credentials? CA budtender 2016, mmj patient since 2014, over 400 strains reviewed, activist that goes into the news and teaches at cannabis education centers, multi state MMJ cardholder. 6 grows and 3 extraction runs (obv not that much but still, did it to learn)
So if you haven't actually tried dabbing RSO, don't say you shouldn't do it.

but I take your point to heart, apologize to the mods for any inconvenience I may have caused, and will certainly try to avoid doing anything similar in the future.

Hashley said:
Only correction: RSO in MD is filtered. The lipids and removed before decarb. and all solvents are purged.

Hi Hashley - wow, didn't know that. Then what distinguishes the "RSO" sold in MD versus the various names used for distillate syringes?

And how do they filter the RSO? I do not believe its winterized and the RSO I have seen and bought was very dark, VERY sticky and gunky.

I do know that in MD there are syringes sold...called distillate droppers and other things which is indeed decarb'd and are much clearer and I think de-fatted.

It can get very, very confusing and the fact that industry just makes up names for these products as they wish doesn't help. haha

Hashley · Sep 6, 2019

Baron23 said:
The poster I was addressing specifically used his credentials to support the superiority of his views over other contrasting views. Therefore, I did at the time (two months ago) feel that commenting on the lack of awe at his credentials was valid.....that is, while a bit snarky, my point was that his opinion was not more valid than other members contrasting opinions.

My credentials? CA budtender 2016, mmj patient since 2014, over 400 strains reviewed, activist that goes into the news and teaches at cannabis education centers, multi state MMJ cardholder. 6 grows and 3 extraction runs (obv not that much but still, did it to learn)
So if you haven't actually tried dabbing RSO, don't say you shouldn't do it.

but I take your point to heart, apologize to the mods for any inconvenience I may have caused, and will certainly try to avoid doing anything similar in the future.

Hi Hashley - wow, didn't know that. Then what distinguishes the "RSO" sold in MD versus the various names used for distillate syringes?

And how do they filter the RSO? I do not believe its winterized and the RSO I have seen and bought was very dark, VERY sticky and gunky.

I do know that in MD there are syringes sold...called distillate droppers and other things which is indeed decarb'd and are much clearer and I think de-fatted.

It can get very, very confusing and the fact that industry just makes up names for these products as they wish doesn't help. haha

Hey friend!
So I can only speak for Grassroots, because that is the company I work for.
Our RSO process is as follows:
Cannabis flower is processed thru our closed loop hydrocarbon system.
That cannabis oil is then Winterized in 200 proof food grade ethanol.
Filtered (3 times) thru 3 different microns to extract undesirable lipids/fats/waxs.
Then Solvent recovered to extract the Ethanol back out of the product thru a form of rotary evaporation.
After that, the product is poured into a container to be Decarbed, to be made into activated THC.

It will remain a dark color. Not because of impurity

Hope this helps

Typical RSO made at home using cannabis flower and alcohol, is NOT filtered to extract fats and lipids and there for will result in a lower THC potency due to undesirable being left over.

Distillate, is made AFTER the RSO step.
That RSO is then put into a still and the terpenes are extracted out of that product. then another run is done on that product to pull only the THC out. what you are then left with is a yellow/golden product that is considered either first pass distillate. and can be distilled even further to keep increasing potency over 90% THC

Baron23 · Sep 6, 2019

Hashley said:
Hey friend!
So I can only speak for Grassroots, because that is the company I work for.
Our RSO process is as follows:
Cannabis flower is processed thru our closed loop hydrocarbon system.
That cannabis oil is then Winterized in 200 proof food grade ethanol.
Filtered (3 times) thru 3 different microns to extract undesirable lipids/fats/waxs.
Then Solvent recovered to extract the Ethanol back out of the product thru a form of rotary evaporation.
After that, the product is poured into a container to be Decarbed, to be made into activated THC.

It will remain a dark color. Not because of impurity
Hope this helps

Typical RSO made at home using cannabis flower and alcohol, is NOT filtered to extract fats and lipids and there for will result in a lower THC potency due to undesirable being left over.

Distillate, is made AFTER the RSO step.
That RSO is then put into a still and the terpenes are extracted out of that product. then another run is done on that product to pull only the THC out. what you are then left with is a yellow/golden product that is considered either first pass distillate. and can be distilled even further to keep increasing potency over 90% THC

thank you so very, very much. Grassroots RSO is the one that I have experienced and I'm so glad to have some facts straight from the horse's mouth.

Its very hard to get really very specific facts like this from dispensary employees. They try, but most often really don't seem to have the details.

So, then you would agree that Grassroots RSO is indeed dab worthy?

Again, I'm very grateful to you for this explanation. :rockon:

By the by, I love Grassroots products here and I like Herbology Gaithersburg a lot also. Used to work out in the gym with the guy who manages it now....and he's a very cool fellow, indeed.

Cheers and again, thank you.

Hashley · Sep 6, 2019

The budtenders try. But its a lot like a liquor store clerk or a pharmacist, they cant have all the answers about the products...but they are doing there best with all the hundreds of products to remember.

However, I am happy to help and give any information I can to inform patients of there meds!
As for dabbing RDO, you can do it..it just might not taste as delicious as sugar or crumble does. Rso is more known as a sublingual. (Absorbed under the tongue for quick acting relief...it bypasses the liver and straight to the blood stream thru three main arteries...doesn't give your liver a chance to convert the thc to 11-hydroxy. Which has different effects than thc absorbed thru the blood or lungs)

Hope you stick with grassroots and our expanding variety of concentrates and treats!

Baron23 · Sep 6, 2019

Hashley said:
The budtenders try. But its a lot like a liquor store clerk or a pharmacist, they cant have all the answers about the products...but they are doing there best with all the hundreds of products to remember.

However, I am happy to help and give any information I can to inform patients of there meds!
As for dabbing RDO, you can do it..it just might not taste as delicious as sugar or crumble does. Rso is more known as a sublingual. (Absorbed under the tongue for quick acting relief...it bypasses the liver and straight to the blood stream thru three main arteries...doesn't give your liver a chance to convert the thc to 11-hydroxy. Which has different effects than thc absorbed thru the blood or lungs)

Hope you stick with grassroots and our expanding variety of concentrates and treats!

I do love Grassroots and thank you for your participation here.

I was just at the local Liberty store and we had a long conversation about the various "RSO" sold now in Maryland and they do tend to agree that Grassroots approach is a bit different than say GLeaf or Verano.

They believe that the other RSO's that are sold are made straight from ethyl wash and no BHO extraction.

BUT, there is no information that is nearly as good as yours...its from the horses mouth. I do wish other growers/processors would provide this detailed info that really let's us know what it is that we are consuming.

Thank you again for your openness and transparency. I think reflects very well on Grassroots.

You don't happen to be the lab manager I met at Herbology once during a vendor day visit? I know, how the hell would we know! haha But shortly after Herbology opened, I went for a Grassroots visit and talked for a while with a fellow who I believe said he ran the extractions lab but I may be not remembering this accurately.

Cheers

Hashley · Sep 9, 2019

Baron23 said:
I do love Grassroots and thank you for your participation here.

I was just at the local Liberty store and we had a long conversation about the various "RSO" sold now in Maryland and they do tend to agree that Grassroots approach is a bit different than say GLeaf or Verano.

They believe that the other RSO's that are sold are made straight from ethyl wash and no BHO extraction.

BUT, there is no information that is nearly as good as yours...its from the horses mouth. I do wish other growers/processors would provide this detailed info that really let's us know what it is that we are consuming.

Thank you again for your openness and transparency. I think reflects very well on Grassroots.

You don't happen to be the lab manager I met at Herbology once during a vendor day visit? I know, how the hell would we know! haha But shortly after Herbology opened, I went for a Grassroots visit and talked for a while with a fellow who I believe said he ran the extractions lab but I may be not remembering this accurately.

Cheers

Hey, I am actually the Lab admin.
I may have seen you on a tour, I am the red headed one hah.
But yeah, our approach is not the traditional approach, but it does make for very good concentrated pre activated medicine, that is very potent!
Our black cherry maduro strain specific RSO tested at 900mg per gram. Most of out RSO test at around 800mg-900mg per gram. So its a great deal for your money!

I am happy to answer question to help keep patient informed on our products as best as I can!

Thanks for your support for grassroots, I know herbology appreciates it too!

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