next generation e-nails?

ReeferChiefer said:

Could someone elaborate for me the advantages and disadvantages of convection heating for dabbing? I'm really leaning towards the Liger v2 over a D-Nail quartz halo but need to know more before pulling the trigger. A $200+ setup needs some thinking before purchasing

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To attempt to answer your original question I have not gotten convection dabbing to work yet with my V1 sapphire insert at temps as high as 890 on my Auber RDK 300 w/Quartz Halo.

Admittedly however Im new to convection dabbing and I have not tried the insert yet with the SIC.

Iv tried putting the dab on the insert and caping the nail immediately. It does not work the best because it takes a long time for any vapor to become visible. If you actually draw before you get any vapor you can taste all of this crazy flavor as the dab starts to vaporize.

Iv tried leaving the insert on and then dabbing off of it when its relatively hot. The flavor is incredible but at best this is hybrid convection/conduction dabbing.

My only meaningful conclusion is that sapphire is maybe the tastiest thing I have dabbed on so far and D-Nail Halos are the only option right now if sapphire is something you want.

Of course I have been to head shops. lol They will sell whatever sells, whatever is popular. Head Shops don't always have quality as a priority, whether or not they do carry quality products. It's a business after all, not only do they provide what the customers want, they also provide what will likely sell anyway, regardless of what product is or isn't the best out there.

What do you suggest it means that your head shop only sells a certain product?

Riceandbeans said:

To attempt to answer your original I have not gotten convection dabbing to work yet with my V1 sapphire insert at temps as high as 890 on my Auber RDK 300 w/Quartz Halo.

Admittedly however Im new to convection dabbing and I have not tried the insert yet with the SIC.

Iv tried putting the dab on the insert and caping the nail immediately. It does not work the best because it takes a long time for any vapor to become visible. If you actually draw before you get any vapor you can taste all of this crazy flavor as the dab starts to vaporize.

Iv tried leaving the insert on and then dabbing off of it when its relatively hot. The flavor is incredible but at best this is hybrid convection/conduction dabbing.

My only meaningful conclusion is that sapphire is maybe the tastiest thing I have dabbed on so far and D-Nail Halos are the only option right now if sapphire is something you want.

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Thank you for your input. No, saphire doesn't cross my mind, really.

ReeferChiefer said:

Of course I have been to head shops. lol They will sell whatever sells, whatever is popular. Head Shops don't always have quality as a priority, whether or not they do carry quality products. It's a business after all, not only do they provide what the customers want, they also provide what will likely sell anyway, regardless of what product is or isn't the best out there.

What do you suggest it means that your head shop only sells a certain product?

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Well your point was that D-Nail is only raved about here. OK so here and retail locations because as you say, its what the customers ask for. They aren't coming in asking for knockoffs generally right?

So the main vaporizer forum and retail. Where else are people discussing enails but not talking about D-Nail?

I agree their shit is crazy expensive, but its definitely worth it to some. I had sold my terpz enail for the dnail. Plus my titanium/sic parts could easily outlive me, I figured I'd get "the best" as applied to me, and enjoy it for as long as humanly possible without an upgrade of any kind.

darkrom said:

Well your point was that D-Nail is only raved about here. OK so here and retail locations because as you say, its what the customers ask for. They aren't coming in asking for knockoffs generally right?

So the main vaporizer forum and retail. Where else are people discussing enails but not talking about D-Nail?

I agree their shit is crazy expensive, but its definitely worth it to some. I had sold my terpz enail for the dnail. Plus my titanium/sic parts could easily outlive me, I figured I'd get "the best" as applied to me, and enjoy it for as long as humanly possible without an upgrade of any kind.

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My point was that here and only here have I ever seen this sort of energy wasted in promoting at any cost the superiority of any one product. Ever. That doesn't mean people elsewhere won't have nice things to say.

Every head shop sells knock off style products, even china products.

It's not about what you talk about here, it's the defensiveness towards one particular product in the face of someone comparing said product to what people would consider unworthy of mention in the same sentence.

I agree with you there, invest money on quality if you intend to pay once for quality smoke, rather than a bunch of times for lower end products that may not last the test of time.

Is there one eNail that is above and beyond the rest?
New to these devices and I can't really tell what I should be looking for.

How do you all go about selecting the right e-setup for you?

FlyingLow said:

Is there one eNail that is above and beyond the rest?
New to these devices and I can't really tell what I should be looking for.

How do you all go about selecting the right e-setup for you?

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I would suggest anything that comes with an Omron LCD PID controller. This one specifically is my favorite, it's reliable and heats the coil very quick compared to most other controllers.

Omron PID

So I would say anything that comes with that brand controller. There are many different companies that sell their own style of enail, cases and coils will vary but those things generally have no significant difference. The PID is where the performance difference is, IMO. Other than that, I guess you should be looking for the best bang for your buck and a good warranty.

Here is one good option, both product and retailer. Of course you will be able to find something more affordable but not necessarily with this particular PID controller. Again, just my opinion here, my best experiences as far as reliability and performance have been with Omron.

http://gimido.bigcartel.com/product/best-quality-enail-with-coil

As far as the actual nails are concerned, the D-Nail seems to be the most popular here, using a Flat coil heater. I personally prefer the Liger v2 style banger nail, it requires a conventional style coil heater to fit around it.

Read through this thread a bit, you will find a lot of helpful info.

ReeferChiefer said:

It's not about what you talk about here, it's the defensiveness towards one particular product in the face of someone comparing said product to what people would consider unworthy of mention in the same sentence.

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The problem with this is you are comparing things you haven't tried. So you can't say why you feel this way or that way about it until you try it really. You are just guessing that the knockoff is comperable, without any reasoning other than they are both quartz and use a flat coil. That's where the similarities stop IMO. And quartz is definitely not all the same.

I'm not saying dont get anything but D-Nail, I'm saying dont claim something is similar when you have no idea how the D-Nail actually is.

alittledabwilldoya' said:

Looking sexy!

That travel rig looks a little lonely ...


How long (or how many grams) do you think it took to get that much reclaim in the dropdown?
And is that a 20mm and a 16mm, or just a weird camera angle?

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I think I had been through about an ounce of Shatter/wax since the last cleaning. It's nice and shiny right now, just cleaned it! That Reclaim is going to make some ridiculously strong edibles too!

Travel rig is a little less lonely in his little enail case! Check this out.

ReeferChiefer said:

Could someone elaborate for me the advantages and disadvantages of convection heating for dabbing? I'm really leaning towards the Liger v2 over a D-Nail quartz halo but need to know more before pulling the trigger. A $200+ setup needs some thinking before purchasing

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I love the Liger and can assure you, you won't regret the purchase. Josh at CCA will take care of you and You can get the whole setup now without waiting for any crucial parts to your setup. I am not going to speak on how much better or worse one is than the other since that is highly subjective. What I can tell you is that the CCA Liger is made from the very best materials I have seen and the craftsmanship and machining is wonderful. You can tell when you first hold it that it is a work of art and not a mass produced nail. Even the inserts seem higher quality than any other quartz in my collection and the SiC is the smoothest, most well finished I have seen.
If you vape flower there is also a hash/flower vaping attachment for the Liger body coming out soon but I wouldn't make that a deciding factor.
Every one of my friends that has an enail and has tried my Liger ordered one...Period. Even the guy with the quartz errlectric setup, so that tells me something right there. You will love the Liger V2.0 now just decide what color you want. Don't forget to use the FC 10% off if you do buy something from him.

darkrom said:

The problem with this is you are comparing things you haven't tried. So you can't say why you feel this way or that way about it until you try it really. You are just guessing that the knockoff is comperable, without any reasoning other than they are both quartz and use a flat coil. That's where the similarities stop IMO. And quartz is definitely not all the same.

I'm not saying dont get anything but D-Nail, I'm saying dont claim something is similar when you have no idea how the D-Nail actually is.

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I agree, but again, it's the defensiveness to ONE product, the way people defend it as if it were a person... Anyway, it really isn't that serious, not serious enough to have this much back and forth. I've judged glass function that I've never used before based on what I have used before. Sometimes if you're knowledgable enough you're ok to do so unless you make extraordinary claims about said product.

mrbonsai420 said:

I think I had been through about an ounce of Shatter/wax since the last cleaning. It's nice and shiny right now, just cleaned it! That Reclaim is going to make some ridiculously strong edibles too!

Travel rig is a little less lonely in his little enail case! Check this out.

I love the Liger and can assure you, you won't regret the purchase. Josh at CCA will take care of you and You can get the whole setup now without waiting for any crucial parts to your setup. I am not going to speak on how much better or worse one is than the other since that is highly subjective. What I can tell you is that the CCA Liger is made from the very best materials I have seen and the craftsmanship and machining is wonderful. You can tell when you first hold it that it is a work of art and not a mass produced nail. Even the inserts seem higher quality than any other quartz in my collection and the SiC is the smoothest, most well finished I have seen.
If you vape flower there is also a hash/flower vaping attachment for the Liger body coming out soon but I wouldn't make that a deciding factor.
Every one of my friends that has an enail and has tried my Liger ordered one...Period. Even the guy with the quartz errlectric setup, so that tells me something right there. You will love the Liger V2.0 now just decide what color you want. Don't forget to use the FC 10% off if you do buy something from him.

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Thank you so much, I do keep hearing great things about it and I do believe I am convinced by now lol. How is your experience using it without the inserts? I plan on purchasing both inserts but was wondering how much of a difference it makes to use it without them. Also, do you know what other dabbers are compatible with the nail? I would like to buy a HappyDaddy dabber soon but am not sure if it will fit the CCA caps.

mrbonsai420 said:

I think I had been through about an ounce of Shatter/wax since the last cleaning. It's nice and shiny right now, just cleaned it! That Reclaim is going to make some ridiculously strong edibles too!

Travel rig is a little less lonely in his little enail case! Check this out.

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Nice!
And that's not much reclaim for an ounce!

FlyingLow said:

Is there one eNail that is above and beyond the rest?
New to these devices and I can't really tell what I should be looking for.

How do you all go about selecting the right e-setup for you?

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I just got into the dabbing game six months ago.
From my research I found:

D-Nail Halo
Liger V2
Happy Daddy Genesis
Errlectric

Errlectric has the best control unit, but it's a closed system that will only support it's own coils and nails.
Happy Daddy looks well designed, but I don't have first hand experience with it; there is a thread here where it's users indicate they like it.
In my opinion the winners are D-Nail & Liger simply because they use Silicon Carbide (SiC) for their dabbing surfaces.

I love my SiC Halo
SiC is the way.

I thought DNail had a DIY kit.. has it been discontinued?

My pukinbeagle direct inject is getting close to a year old. Looking for a new setup: it looks like liger vs dnail. I'm leaning towards liger. Has anyone compared the sic insert in the liger to the dnail sic halo? It looks like the cost is similar, close to $250 without discounts. I have a 20mm coil but need to get a flat coil if I go with the dnail. Any suggestions will be helpful. I'm thinking liger with both Quartz and sic insert with storm cell carb cap. Or dnail slim series, new flat coil, dnail sic halo, dnail carb cap 2.0.

PoopMachine said:

I thought DNail had a DIY kit.. has it been discontinued?

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Not that I know of. I just used it to build my 1.2 Maybe they are making the changes so people assemble the 1.3 instead?

I could of sworn I saw one about 2 weeks ago on their site. Oh well, I just cant pay $400 for one of their controllers. If I could build it myself and save a few bucks I would. I dont even know if it would be better than my Terpz unit which is pretty darn good but I was toying with making the leap.

EDIT: Out of stock I guess
http://www.d-nail.com/dnail-diy-705

ReeferChiefer said:

I agree, but again, it's the defensiveness to ONE product, the way people defend it as if it were a person... Anyway, it really isn't that serious, not serious enough to have this much back and forth. I've judged glass function that I've never used before based on what I have used before. Sometimes if you're knowledgable enough you're ok to do so unless you make extraordinary claims about said product.



Thank you so much, I do keep hearing great things about it and I do believe I am convinced by now lol. How is your experience using it without the inserts? I plan on purchasing both inserts but was wondering how much of a difference it makes to use it without them. Also, do you know what other dabbers are compatible with the nail? I would like to buy a HappyDaddy dabber soon but am not sure if it will fit the CCA caps.

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you're missing the point everyone's making. when you make broad blanket statements concerning quality of a knockoff and comparing it directly real thing, yet you have never used said real product, people are going to call you on it. i think a lot of people come on this forum and especially this thread to seek advice on what to get and to see others opinions. but your opinion isn't really valid as you've only used knock offs. don't give misleading info/advice about a product that you have never even used before. this forum also happens to be home to some big time dnail heads and dnail beta testers, so you picked literally the worst place besides maybe the dnail facebook page to make these comments.

and for the record, i don't even own a dnail product so don't lump me into some "dnail fanboy" group.

brasszilla said:

you're missing the point everyone's making. when you make broad blanket statements concerning quality of a knockoff and comparing it directly real thing, yet you have never used said real product, people are going to call you on it. i think a lot of people come on this forum and especially this thread to seek advice on what to get and to see others opinions. but your opinion isn't really valid as you've only used knock offs. don't give misleading info/advice about a product that you have never even used before. this forum also happens to be home to some big time dnail heads and dnail beta testers, so you picked literally the worst place besides maybe the dnail facebook page to make these comments.

and for the record, i don't even own a dnail product so don't lump me into some "dnail fanboy" group.

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Nice first post, still disagree. thanks.

brasszilla said:

you're missing the point everyone's making. when you make broad blanket statements concerning quality of a knockoff and comparing it directly real thing, yet you have never used said real product, people are going to call you on it. i think a lot of people come on this forum and especially this thread to seek advice on what to get and to see others opinions. but your opinion isn't really valid as you've only used knock offs. don't give misleading info/advice about a product that you have never even used before. this forum also happens to be home to some big time dnail heads and dnail beta testers, so you picked literally the worst place besides maybe the dnail facebook page to make these comments.

and for the record, i don't even own a dnail product so don't lump me into some "dnail fanboy" group.

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I appreciate your points, but people commenting on the knock-off who have not used it is just as invalid as me commenting on a d-nail I have not used. I would hardly say I gave misleading info/advice and if anything my statement was pretty narrow and hardly telling everyone to go buy one right now. Having used various nails along with the fact that both the d-nail and the knock-off are a quartz dish heated by a flat coil I felt it fine to make an educated guess that the knock-off is relatively close (maybe 80%). This is just as valid as people guessing the knock off is a piece of shit and the d-nail halo is magic.

PoopMachine said:

I could of sworn I saw one about 2 weeks ago on their site. Oh well, I just cant pay $400 for one of their controllers. If I could build it myself and save a few bucks I would. I dont even know if it would be better than my Terpz unit which is pretty darn good but I was toying with making the leap.

EDIT: Out of stock I guess
http://www.d-nail.com/dnail-diy-705

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Hey... it IS. I had the terpz. PM me or ask me questions here if u want. Its on topic. Its not like the terpz doesn't work, but the d-nail works a lot better. It also was a seriously fun project. No soldering = anyone can do it just have a dab and take your time. Very very fun. I offered to assemble them to another member a while back. That offer stands, if anyone wants to save some cash and pay shipping both ways, I'll build it for free. I enjoy it. IDK if its cheaper than just buying the d-nail when u factor in shipping etc, and of course you'd have to trust that I won't steal it, but the offer is out there for my FC friends.

I say talk to them via email see if there is an ETA if you are interested. Probably updating it to 1.3. You could see if they have any 1.2 DIY kits laying around they could sell you. Maybe if you ask nicely they can take parts from the repair pile they must have and make a kit? IDK , I don't work for them, but I went from thinking they were a "pay for the brand" company like Apple or Gucci or some shit I don't need in my life, to really being almost fan boy. I acknowledge the other stuff works though, I just really think its worth it. Their customer support is a breath of fresh air compared to most oil related companies. I've had some real issues with other companies. Enough that I'd be happy to pay more for d-nail at this point, instead of trying to save cash and ending up buying twice. My terpz setup being the perfect example. It was cheaper than the d-nail. but I ended up buying the DIY anyway.


@weenstoned I get what you are saying but the difference is in the technology itself. IMO anyway. The d-nail has features like the wic surface, and the sapphire insert etc. If we were comparing direct clones I'd say its fair to make educated guesses. Like the knock-off to the real thing is probably fair to compare. But this is comparing apples to oranges. I do think that if someone makes a wic surface, or a sapphire insert other than d-nail, those would be worth comparing for sure!

I'm a huge D-nail fan and I'd try a "knockoff" sapphire halo right now for example. Hell if china had a cheap quartz halo I'd try that too. Thats all fine, but its just comparing dissimilar items AND doing it without trying it that bugs me a bit.

I'm into discussion both ways here. I hope it stays civil, thats my personal intentions anyway. I just don't think you can compare a truck to an SUV, especially if you've never driven a SUV. This feels the same to me. Close but worlds apart and they really need to be used to be experienced.

weenstoned said:

I appreciate your points, but people commenting on the knock-off who have not used it is just as invalid as me commenting on a d-nail I have not used. I would hardly say I gave misleading info/advice and if anything my statement was pretty narrow and hardly telling everyone to go buy one right now. Having used various nails along with the fact that both the d-nail and the knock-off are a quartz dish heated by a flat coil I felt it fine to make an educated guess that the knock-off is relatively close (maybe 80%). This is just as valid as people guessing the knock off is a piece of shit and the d-nail halo is magic.

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weenstoned said:

I appreciate your points, but people commenting on the knock-off who have not used it is just as invalid as me commenting on a d-nail I have not used. I would hardly say I gave misleading info/advice and if anything my statement was pretty narrow and hardly telling everyone to go buy one right now. Having used various nails along with the fact that both the d-nail and the knock-off are a quartz dish heated by a flat coil I felt it fine to make an educated guess that the knock-off is relatively close (maybe 80%). This is just as valid as people guessing the knock off is a piece of shit and the d-nail halo is magic.

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This thread needs some stoke!

Ah, choices:

@darkrom I am strictly comparing to the quartz halo without any other dishes or inserts coming into play. Frankly I can't say for sure that the wik actually makes a difference, but I don't think you can say it makes it a whole new thing (truck vs. suv). It is more like a more aerodynamic car, it might be a smoother ride or have better gas mileage but at the end of the day a clunkier car is still a car. That is why I still feel comfortable saying that I doubt it makes more than a 20% difference if even that. If you need the perfect thing that's fine, but a knock-off can be almost as good.

Just want to clarify that being a quartz dish heated by a flat coil they are not that dissimilar.

Not entirely sure the wick surface makes sense, to me a clean smooth surface should promote a better spread, just looking at my experience of soldering, start feeding in from the colder side and it will flow towards the hot spot as long as the surface is clean.

ReggieB said:

Not entirely sure the wick surface makes sense, to me a clean smooth surface should promote a better spread, just looking at my experience of soldering, start feeding in from the colder side and it will flow towards the hot spot as long as the surface is clean.

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I'm no scientist. Can't explain it , but as someone who owns wic on the insert I definitely like it. It spreads super nicely. Idk why, but I do know its quite nice to dab on.

^^^ Capillary action.

Here are some quotes from the Wik info page on the D nail website: http://www.d-nail.com/info/science/wik/

"When you use a nail with the Wik™ surface, the increase in essential oil distribution across the surface directly corresponds with an increase in energy transfer, allowing your essential oil to absorb more heat from the dish in the same amount of time. This leads to a faster and more even vaporization."

"The Wik™ surface also serves the same purpose as "seasoning" a nail. The current understanding why seasoning a nail works is that small bits of carbon are left behind, which act as vapor nucleation points to assist in boiling the oil. The Wik™ texture is naturally abundant with these nucleation points, so you always get the benefit of a seasoned nail, even when it is brand new or completely clean."

If you go on the page theres a larger more detailed section with graphs and such that are interesting but a little over my head.

which is why it doesn't really make much sense, carbon deposits usually act as an insulator.