The Summit by Vapium (Formerly MARK 1)

Hey Thanks for the welcome and positive reply. I think I will try and fix my old vape which is an Arizer Solo. I think the battery inside is dying, so the whole thing acts funky. If I can get that back working, I will happily wait the 3-4 weeks.

OF said:

No offense but your timing needs some work, for sure I'm not asking you to buy me any lottery tickets.......

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Actually I was looking up my lotto ticket numbers before I read the post and laughed at this part. Needless to say, I didn't win a damn thing.


By the way, no offense was taken.

Vape is an electronic cigarette which healthier choice than smoking cigarettes. There are many other alternatives of smoking like Bongs or water pipes.

The MARK 1 is an easy draw system which offers low inhalation resistance.

The MARK 1 vape is an easy draw system which offers low inhalation resistance. The device is recharged via USB and can be used while charging. Bongs and pipes are also best alternative of smoking which effects less on health.

A couple of observations to bore you all with, if i may.

The other day I lost my ss screen that i had cut out for my Summit. Had no time to fashion another so i had to grab a stock screen, which some may recall i am no fan of.

Observation #1. I may have been overly harsh in my assessment of the stock screen. It didn't seem to clog too quickly this time. Maybe i had particularly sticky material then, however i was also very careful to make sure the screen was placed at an angle to ensure airflow.

All was going well, but inevitably (for me) it became rather constricted after a stir and at higher temp. I couldn't be bothered to pull it out and reseat the screen so i powered on with the session using what people seem to refer to as pulling on a cigar type technique. A few puffs into the mouth and then inhale. It kinda worked. I could see wisps of vapor puff out of my mouth as i was doing this. Not something i enjoy, however. ..

Observation #2. What i see as a flaw may be intentional and/or a preference for others.

I prefer a fairly unrestricted airflow and slow my draw as required to get vapor i want. Some people talk about a manufacturer intentionally designing restrictive airflow to ensure a heater is not overwhelmed, or for whatever other reasons. I'd rather do this myself but can understand that some may not know, or be able to do this, so choice is removed to ensure 'proper function' or whatever.

Also, some people seem to prefer the type of vape which requires (encourages?) the puff on a cigar style of vaping.

You want free flowing? Use a mesh screen or ensure the stock scren is at an angle (still more restricted than a mesh screen but pretty good). You want a cigar puff experience? Place the screen more flush with the bottom of the chamber.

Anyway, to bring on home this rambling post, whether by accident or design, the Vapium seems to offer a choice of styles of vaping. Choose your preference.....choice is good.


@Hus sorry to hear your summit chose to stop performing. Bad choice...

I will be interested to hear some info about these 'big clouds and then nothing' reports, especially since yours started at peak performance and then changed, wheras others seemed to be performing this way from the outset, making some of us assume it may have been related to technique or expectations or the like.

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Hus said:

Hey Thanks for the welcome and positive reply. I think I will try and fix my old vape which is an Arizer Solo. I think the battery inside is dying, so the whole thing acts funky. If I can get that back working, I will happily wait the 3-4 weeks.

By the way, no offense was taken.

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Hey, now you've got a great plan there. You can get factory batteries several places, and our very own @CentiZen builds custom aftermarket ones with higher capacity batteries. I've never tried one, but the man knows his batteries and he's got plenty of happy customers around here ready to defend his honor......

Glad there's no offense at some OT comment intended to provide a bit of levity, or just a smile. You never know these days you know. Today's nano aggression is tomorrow's micro aggression.......

skunkhouse said:

Vape is an electronic cigarette which healthier choice than smoking cigarettes. There are many other alternatives of smoking like Bongs or water pipes.

The MARK 1 is an easy draw system which offers low inhalation resistance.

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skunkhouse said:

The MARK 1 vape is an easy draw system which offers low inhalation resistance. The device is recharged via USB and can be used while charging. Bongs and pipes are also best alternative of smoking which effects less on health.

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I'm not sure what you're saying, probably some sort of language issue? I agree with some, but not all, of what you say (and least what I'm thinking you're saying).

Electronic cigarettes are a subset of vapes I think. They evaporate 'juice', typically nicotine laden PG/VG using a hot wire by conduction. Basically all portables. The broader area of vapes also includes the ones that we use. Some of which are used for oil/extracts and can be similar, in fact using some e-cig parts in some cases. But they also include those that heat by other means than a hot wire or even conduction at all. Not to mention the even larger class of those who use bud directly.

And there's a whole set of corded vapes that have nothing much in common with e-cigs at all save the getting hot part, they never see nicotine for the most part.

Bongs and such are not alternatives to smoking, they are accessories? Blazing (smoking) is still going on, combustion is still happening. Stuff is seeing much higher temperatures because of the fire, chemical reactions are still happening (not present in vapes) giving a whole set of new chemicals (many toxic or carcinogens) to deal with. Some parts are removed by the water, but the remainder are still substantially dangerous? In fact this can lead to even higher exposure. Hookahs, basically bongs, are considered by many to be more deadly than smoking the tobacco in the normal manner (even though they are charcoal powered vapes for the most part).

WTs in general in no way make smoking safe. At best a bit safer. They are not, IMO, anything close to safe if there's combustion going on. The key is being a vape and keeping the heat low (and preventing chemical reactions) rather than burning the material (yuck, wasting good herb building a fire????) and releasing a bunch of unnecessary nasty stuff.

Does that confuse it enough?

Regards,

OF

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@Hus sorry to hear your summit chose to stop performing. Bad choice...

I will be interested to hear some info about these 'big clouds and then nothing' reports, especially since yours started at peak performance and then changed, whereas others seemed to be performing this way from the outset, making some of us assume it may have been related to technique or expectations or the like.

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Well first allow me to clarify. I didn't mean to say I had huge clouds or anything, but they were good enough for my expectations coming from the Arizer Solo. I perfected a technique (I will not claim it as mine yet cuz i'm not sure if it's been mentioned here and i overlooked it) by semi ripping for 2-3 seconds, wait for about 5 seconds. In the meantime of that 5 seconds, i would exhale juuuust a lil but inhale a lil more oxygen, then I would inhale again for 2-3 seconds and wait 5 seconds and exhale a lil. I would do that process maybe 3 or 4 complete times and when I finally exhale everything, a big WhOOSH of clouds would come out. To me that was the most effective way to get a good feeling within the 90 seconds. A few days after the perfecting the technique, my big clouds turned into barely visible fogs. LOL.

I cannot comment on what other people were doing or not doing. May be a bad unit from the jump or expectations. I admit, I was a lil let down AT FIRST, but after playing around with it i found a cool middle ground which led me to my technique.



@OF,

I will give look @CentiZen to see about the batteries. Thanks for the suggestion.

One has to not obstruct the air flow when using a SS mesh screen as it allows more air flow and that air can be hot. Toasted lips or tongues aren't fun. I think this also allows a bit more conduction, but the Summit seems to work best with the stock screen for some reason. Mostly on taste and coolness.
The SS mesh screen is getting better the dirtier it gets.
I like both ways, stock or mesh.

After playing with this vape for the last few days I feel I can finally say it has earned a rightful place in my rotation.

Took some time to figure out a good technique but now I'm producing clouds that rival any of my other portables excluding the Mighty. Considering its $250 dollars less though, I couldn't be happier.

Size is just what I was looking for and vapor quality is very respectable. Buzz feature is a nice luxury. Also loving the wide range of heat setting and the fact each setting moves up 10 Celsius (Very easy for me to keep track of temp).

For the features, size, and vapor quality the Sumit is quite the deal at under $150 with coupons. Keep a power bank handy and this vape is quite the travel companion.

Mrs. Claus got me some beefy Zen pipe cleaners that have nylon line twisted in them that make for a very effective scrub. My Summit is six months old now and I guess I've just gotten used to how restricted the air path had become. I also surmise it was worst right where the tube makes it's 90 degree angle bend from the chamber and that the soft Chenille cleaners that came with the Vapium did nothing more than make sure there was an air path. Anyway, after cleaning with a few Zens & Alcohol, I put the thing back together with only a Stainless Steel mesh screen and gave it a go.
I don't remember very much after that...

Sungodv said:

Mrs. Claus got me some beefy Zen pipe cleaners that have nylon line twisted in them that make for a very effective scrub.

Anyway, after cleaning with a few Zens & Alcohol, I put the thing back together with only a Stainless Steel mesh screen and gave it a go.
I don't remember very much after that...

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Yes, great tools indeed. Traditionally sold as 'Ream and Clean'. Superior in many cases than standard cotton ones because of the 'mechanical scrubbing action'.

From a pipe smoking past, let me offer a technique? Bent the tip on one end up a bit to 'fish' for the turn. When it (hopefully) pokes itself into the bowl, grab it with pliers and pull it through. The 'no tools' version needs you to force half or 3/4 of an inch through then bend the end at right angles, hook it with your thumb tip, hold it with the side of your index finger and push outward with your thumb tip to pull it through.

Secondly, wind a bit of the back end around a toothpick or something else small, pulling it into a spiral too large to fit without 'unwinding' to get small enough to pull through. This scrubs the walls as it get's pulled by rather than just clear a path large enough to pass the cleaner.

Finally, add a couple of drop if ISO to the center part (only on metal, not wood....). This will soften the junk and be wiped clean again by the spirals of dry cleaner.

A bit complex, but actually pretty easy to do once you figure it out. And it will definitely keep your Summit clean and happy.......so it in turn can make you happy.

Regards,

OF

Yes, did the bend the Zen end (a bit) and then fed from the MP end. Slowly. Made a 90 degree bend at one end to mark the other ends slight upward bend.
Once it poked itself out of the hole it was forcefully grabbed at each end and then the back and forth scrubbing action commenced.
Twice.
What a difference this made...I was blissfully unaware that the Summit was as clogged as it was.

I found dipping half a cleaner in ISO and then pinching down to the dry end made for a fairly ISO saturated Zen.

Sounds like a lost chapter of the Kama Sutra

Sungodv said:

Yes, did the bend the Zen end (a bit) and then fed from the MP end. Slowly. Made a 90 degree bend at one end to mark the other ends slight upward bend.
Once it poked itself out of the hole it was forcefully grabbed at each end and then the back and forth scrubbing action commenced.
Twice.
What a difference this made...I was blissful.

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someone mentioned that the summit has a dry bag. do they tell you to let the unit cool down before putting it in the bag? I wrecked my pax by storing it in a smell proof bag just after use. It never worked again. I figure the heat along with the material left in the heating chamber , probably produced moisture, then screwed with the electronics.

lingcod said:

someone mentioned that the summit has a dry bag. do they tell you to let the unit cool down before putting it in the bag? I wrecked my pax by storing it in a smell proof bag just after use. It never worked again. I figure the heat along with the material left in the heating chamber , probably produced moisture, then screwed with the electronics.

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I sure don't recall such a warning, but it makes sense. If you store anything in a dark sealed place you run a risk with mold, mildew, rust, corrosion and so on. Relative Humidity can easily reach 100% in such cases with temperature changes. I've always looked at such airtight containers to be a temporary deal, not for routine storage. Great tip/warning.

OF

yeah, especcially if you leave a full load of material in a warm heat chamber and the material is a little on the damp side, seal the bag tight, then it cools down because your outside in a cold atmosphere. I never store mine in anything but cloth now unless it has cooled down to room temperature completely several hours to be safe, and you are storing at room temperature. Also, combine that with using outdoors and having it exposed to the dampness before putting it in the bag.

Thanks @lingcod ,I also recall no such warning in the instructions.

I used mine skiing for 3 days, putting it straight back into the dry bag after use with no problems at all, but i think that is a good tip, and if i have time and conditions permit, i think in future i will leave it to cool first just in case.

yeah, maybe it does better then the pax did for me. I was hoping the thing would work again once it sat and dried out for a while, but no dice, its toast and over warranty

all,

is there a company making ss screens for vapes (including the summit) or can I just pick one up at Home Depot?

Tobacconists or head shops usually have screens available. I can't comment on home depot, but i assume if they have them and they are stainless steel then should be ok too.

I don't think there is anything special about vape screens as such. I think the ones i use are meant for use in hashpipes and the like, so as long as it is a ss mesh it should be good, but you may have to cut them to shape or size with a pair of scissors.

Yes, any silver looking screen you see for vaporizers will work, just need to cut them down to size. They last a very long time too - I don't think HD is going to have them though. Try eBay or your local head shop.
And pick up some rubbin' alcohol and some bristle pipe cleaners to keep the Summit in shape.
My Vapium seems to be a real tank...no need to worry about anything really, let alone putting it into the dry bag immediately after use. Vapium Summit, I love it!

Hello FCers been a while since I've posted or visited this thread. My desktop EQ has been my main focus since hibernation. But I hope to get familiar with my portables again. Where I left off with the Summit thread was where I had replacement #4 which has been handled through Vapeworld. Been getting around 8 power ups with each full charge.

It seemed to have a small battery but it also recharges that much quicker being that it has a low capacity to fill. Considering carrying some small lightweight on -the-go recharging setup when I'm out hiking. It had some sketchy pass-thru system. Has a small 'nalgene' aftertaste. Definitely a ripper that will allow you to fill your lungs before you have a chance to taste anything. Any other main characteristics?

One thing that brought me back here. Has anybody come up with a good way to attach anything to that unusual mouthpiece. It is not have friendly angles to work with.
If I take say take a one inch silicone ring that I cut off from my whip hose, then make a small cut in the side. It will with some work stay on the outside of the mouthpiece.
Then I stick my older style EQ balloon adapter and slide it through the other end of tube till it nearly touches the mouth end. So I can draw from glass and not have that whiff of plastic at the end of a draw.

Another workaround. If you have the dexterity and patience. Slide a 1 inch silicone tube through the inside of one of the mouthpiece covers. Once the bottom of the tube is flush with the base of the see-thru mouthpiece, eyeball it for a second. So now you are looking at the bottom of the mouthpiece and the bottom of the tube. they should kinda line up. Now make 4 cuts into the tube. One at each corner and try to do it neatly and a small cut. You should have 4 flaps. Each flap pressing against it's respective inside wall of the mouthpiece cover. With a little straightening, each flap will press outward a little. Take your mouthpiece and carefully 'insert' it into the homemade socket you made for it. Essentially, you converted your mouthpiece cover into a socket for your mouthpiece, is what I meant to say. I guess. This is the newer

CuckFumbustion said:

So I can draw from glass and not have that whiff of plastic at the end of a draw.

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I have never had this, whiff or taste, with the Summit. Now the Titan II is another thing.
The Q does taste the best...just kinda slow overall compared to the Vapium.

I love my Summit. I've had it about 3 months.

Have you ever not been able to pull the bottom screen out for cleaning/replacing? I can't locate the little hook to grab on to it (gunked over - should have pulled it out to clean sooner!?). I can't seem to pry it out! Please advise. Thanks.

luvsibes said:

I love my Summit. I've had it about 3 months.

Have you ever not been able to pull the bottom screen out for cleaning/replacing? I can't locate the little hook to grab on to it (gunked over - should have pulled it out to clean sooner!?). I can't seem to pry it out! Please advise. Thanks.

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It is a thin screen. Try toothpicks first. Pick out whatever particles want to come out. No brute force! The seals on this model have their problems if you make it an issue.
So be gentle with all the steps I suggest.
After you did all that, try pushing on one of the corners in such a manner to cause the screen to pop out on another corner. If you can't find the hook, perhaps you put the screen in upside down?But try to find where the hook should be. That might be a good area to pry underneath to get it to pop out. Don't push down in any manner. Just try to get a little under it. I try to get in the habit of using the convenient little hooks. Because of all the tiny work.

I try to keep it clean, especially the pathway with toothpicks to not damage anything. Leaving it gunked up will not only decrease performance but cause you to bump into other problems. Stuck screens, clogged airways, mouthpiece behaving weird. or worse.

If you have a much harder time with it, let us know. Good luck!

I would let the oven run through a high heat cycle and then try to fish it out while it's still warm. Just a thought. Good luck!

Madcap79 said:

I would let the oven run through a high heat cycle and then try to fish it out while it's still warm. Just a thought. Good luck!

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Sorry, but I had a bad time when I did that. Had to send it back. But that method does work for other things. I would avoid stirring it if it is extremely hot when possible just as a measure of caution too. The gaskets are rubberized of some sort. Heat softens the gaskets,etc. You could perhaps heat it up. Allow it to cool. then the normal fishing. My problem area was with the gasket ring that is wedged between the bowl and the inside cover.

Avoid using ISO directly too. Not good for the seals. I have dipped Qtips in ISO and allow for some evaporation before getting a problem area. But direct ISO is a bad.

They are coming out with better builds, but I'd avoiding anything that would strain the gaskets and pressure points. And don't let yourself get rooked into another problem with a problem screen.

I guessed I could have said 'hooked' back there instead of 'rooked'. Well...
Perhaps, I wasn't clever enough to think of that?