Noobie needing guidance - be gentle!

First real Vape?

Da Buddha.

It can be found for less than 200$, and it is a workhorse.

I've had mine for 3 months, my first session was epic and I'm still getting better and better with it each continuing day.

I personally prefer hits straight from the whip, but it pairs very well with any water tool.

I kept raving about it to a close friend, and he said he had one that he never uses, so I scored a second free one...

You can use low temps and sip, high temps and rip clouds and everything in between.

It is often referred to as the alias; Da Beast.

1DMF said:

Thanks, really appreciate all the input and advice.

Very interesting that you are all turning me on to the Arizer... I did a web chat with namastevapes.co.uk last night to get their opinion, as they seem to be a good supplier in the UK at competitive prices and seem to have great customer feedback.



Anyways, the web chat with namastevapes recommended Arizer Air to me , after discussing with them all the glass air-path vaporizer options they stocked. They said they would go Arizer, FireFly, Ascent in that order.

Would you all agree with that recommendation?

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Yes and no. If they stock the solo that would be a good first or second choice. It's less than the air and a bit bigger but I prefer it by a small amount over the air.

Arizer makes really good vapes.

Having looked into the Arizer Solo / Air , it's not as portable as I had hoped, especially with the stem and it being the bowl, making carrying it around fully loaded difficult and not very stealthy.

I like the idea of the belt case, but not the detachable stem that is also the bowl.

I seem to be in a dilemma torn between the Ascent and Haze V3, I've even considered getting both, but the last few comments in the main DaVinci Ascent thread with this 'off-gassing' is rather off-putting.

I'm also concerned with the not so stealthy aroma it apparently leaks, also VapeFeind's review has interesting last comments about it not being very economical on the herb.

However, the battery life and taste appears to be a real plus for the device and the temp control.

The haze I don't think looks as nice, isn't full glass pathway and doesn't have temperature control, and I know this might sound strange, but now my Hebe Titan 2 is usable, having been burnt off and broken in has turned me onto wanting temperature control, as I filled the chamber, put it on 355f and yum! - enough vapour to see it, and the best flavour so far.

This tells me I'm not after huge plumes of vapour, I want taste, and I also want to start with low, low temps, lower than what I see most portables with non-temp controls can go.

I'm enjoying where it gets me and how it tastes, then raise during the session in 5-10 increments and if I just used 'yum' in the same sentence as HT2, then I know I need temp control, and is not because the HT2 tastes good, however it is a teaser for what a quality, glass pathway may offer.

I guess these 3 cheap Chinese vapes were worth it after all, as the HT2 & VS3 showed me I want temp control and glass pathway, not lights that make no sense (red lowest and green hottest?) and pre-set temps, and the VS2 showed me, these Chinese vapes suck and could be dangerous and I need to look at getting a proper device if I do want to get into vaping.

Certainly a lot to consider.

I posted in the Titan 2 thread about glass tubes in the Titan oven. PM me if you need anymore info.

1DMF said:

Incidentally, which of the portables can do hashish (solid) soapbar? - I crumbled some in my G-Pen and now the heating element is kaput!

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Another UK citizen asked a similar question here:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/r...ndheld-capable-of-vaping-herb-and-hash.19273/

I am not sure if a decision or final recommendation was reached yet, though.

Are you sure the Haze doesn't have an all glass pathway inside? As for temp control- it does have several temperature options. Have you checked on these on the Haze thread? One of the many things I like about the Haze is that you can pack several of the tiny cans in a container and replace them as needed while you're on the go. With 2 fully charged batteries, you'll be good to go for many hours.

>> Are you sure the Haze doesn't have an all glass pathway inside?

From what I could work out in their promo video with the CAD design and it being in bits on the work bench; No I don't think the chamber that enables the switching between the two ovens is made out of glass.

>> it does have several temperature options.

It has 4 :- 365F, 380F, 390F and 415F , the last one is too high for herbs, if my research is correct, combustion starts @ 400F.

I am also enjoying real low temps for the first few hits, very tasty, not sure how low to go but according to this site http://www.zamnesia.com/content/284-vaporizer-temperatures-for-cannabis

THC starts vaporising @ 315F and CBD @ 355F plus most of the Flavonoids are in that range also.

So I want something that gives me that flexibility to play with slow-roasting and savoring the flavour, just like a quality bourbon

It does seem that both the Ascent and Haze might offer the option for Hashish as well, what with the cans / glass containers, though the silicone lids sound a bit yucky. Deliberately putting plastic in the oven just sounds wrong to me?

I do not think your research is correct regarding combustion occurring at 400f mate, my solo hits that and it aint combusting nowt

I will of course bow to zamnesia's greater knowledge here, if i knew who they were and that they had any


compare that page listed with this from the wiki

[vaporpedia link removed due to malware]

where it talks about the limitations and where the data comes from

hth

edited to laugh at the word flavonoids btw

Sorry, but I can't find any mention of that temperature (it's blank) or what temperature combustion starts on the thread you posted, am I going blind?

Also look at the GH thread, a few posts have images of vapping temps and shows @ 401F Benzene is produced and says @ 392 toxins start to be produced and mentions the word 'smoke' which implies combustion as 'no smoke without fire'. - which adds weight to the '@400F+ = bad' impression I was under.

But for sure finding a definitive answer isn't easy and as so much of this is new to me, many of the words sound silly and alien, so I have no idea which are real and which aren't.

I was under the impression the Flavonoids where named so as they gave the herb it's smell / taste?

And there are many sites using this phrase :-

http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-are-Flavonoids.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid

http://www.britannica.com/science/flavonoid

They can't all be wrong, can they?

1DMF said:

Sorry, but I can't find any mention of that temperature (it's blank) or what temperature combustion starts on the thread you posted, am I going blind?

Also look at the GH thread, a few posts have images of vapping temps and shows @ 401F Benzene is produced and says @ 392 toxins start to be produced and mentions the word 'smoke' which implies combustion as 'no smoke without fire'. - which adds weight to the '@400F+ = bad' impression I was under.

But for sure finding a definitive answer isn't easy and as so much of this is new to me, many of the words sound silly and alien, so I have no idea which are real and which aren't.

I was under the impression the Flavonoids where named so as they gave the herb it's smell / taste?

And there are many sites using this phrase :-

http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-are-Flavonoids.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid

http://www.britannica.com/science/flavonoid

They can't all be wrong, can they?

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yeah ok mate, on you go and best of luck with it

? very odd

I've seen the charts posted around a few times, but saved this thread for my own reference:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vaping-chart.18945/

I'm normally using my Mighty vape with a bubbler with the temp set @ 210C/410F
My flowers don't combust, but they do come out nice & brown and I'm the one looking toasted

It has that 401F (smoke greater than or equal to vapour) = toxic on it.

The guide below seems to stop at 388F with then a huge gap with combustion @ 451F

The commonly used temps guide below that (assuming EEB = weed), is showing as low as 302F and everything well under 390F.

There is certainly a lot of mixed views regarding temps for sure, and as a noobie, it's a bit of a mine field and would also seem a question that upsets some people?

I guess it's a personal thing and each to their own, but it concerns me that all info I found so far seems to show 400F+ starts to release toxins, even if it isn't quite on fire yet?


Edit: Incidentally on a side note, do you know what part of the chemical compound treats Glaucoma, as it isn't shown on any list I have found.

I generally don't really worry about temperatures of vaping, but found it interesting to be able to vape at lower temps in the day and higher in the evening to get different effects from the same strain.
To each their own and vape on!
The way I look at it is that whatever temperature I'm using, it's still way better than smoking

I've seen THC and CBG mentioned for glaucoma in the past
http://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/cannabinoid-science-101-what-is-cannabigerol/

Cool, thanks. Looks like to get the CBG & THC 350F is a good temp. And possibly why when I tried 355F last night, I found it rather yummy

1DMF said:

>> Are you sure the Haze doesn't have an all glass pathway inside?

From what I could work out in their promo video with the CAD design and it being in bits on the work bench; No I don't think the chamber that enables the switching between the two ovens is made out of glass.

>> it does have several temperature options.

It has 4 :- 365F, 380F, 390F and 415F , the last one is too high for herbs, if my research is correct, combustion starts @ 400F.

I am also enjoying real low temps for the first few hits, very tasty, not sure how low to go but according to this site http://www.zamnesia.com/content/284-vaporizer-temperatures-for-cannabis

THC starts vaporising @ 315F and CBD @ 355F plus most of the Flavonoids are in that range also.

So I want something that gives me that flexibility to play with slow-roasting and savoring the flavour, just like a quality bourbon

It does seem that both the Ascent and Haze might offer the option for Hashish as well, what with the cans / glass containers, though the silicone lids sound a bit yucky. Deliberately putting plastic in the oven just sounds wrong to me?

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A) your article specifically says 200 degrees dry herb CAN start to combust, not that it WILL or always does. You may also want to read this article which I found useful and actually cites a real study done using a volcano and real scientific measurements of the cannabinoids present at those temps :
http://www.hightimes.com/read/studying-vaporizer-insight-proper-vape-use
I think the method by which the heat is administered may have an effect on combustion. Some people using vapes have combusted, but I have no idea what temp they were running to cause that.

B) the Haze is designed to be used with concentrates as well as flower, concentrates have a higher flash point so setting #4 (which, if you read through the best of or search the thread, you wilL see that it can actually get HOTTER than 410 depending upon which can/screen you use and the product - the magic of modern engineering!) was designed for concentrates. If you read through the haze thread and/or search the thread for words like "combustion" you can find out if anyone has experienced that, although, tmk, no one has combusted at temp setting 4 with flower. WHEN you combust, the end product will be more destroyed. The most I have heard is a Haze user with dark brown abv. I have a Haze and usually only vape 1, 2, or 3. I only use 4 when I am on the tail end of a bowl and do not want to refill, and it is bedtime because the higher temps, I understand, contain more sleep inducing cannabinoids.

I think to get those really low temps, you need either a fully adjustable temp vape, like a volcano maybe?, or possibly some convection vapes where your technique (draw style and speed) can help control temp.

As to people's reaction, you came across as being pretty certain that the word of your website is absolute truth, although i, for one, could not find the scientific citation explaining where they acquired their data. Pit your certainty against another person's differing certainty and WHAM you have true interpersonal combustion!

I do not know the "truth" behind the "best" temp at which to vape. I think it is all about experimenting and what works for YOU, which can be expensive having to try new products! Unfortunately, with its presently illegal status, it is difficult to run scientific trials, so we are left with what we have.

For you, and what you want, you should be looking at a vape with a lot of variability. Desktops probably, or at least higher end portables. Although, the magic flight box can have a range, depending upon technique...however I know people have combusted with it as well.

Was it glaucoma or cataracts that new studies had shown cannabis was NOT as useful as thought? Someone verbally corrected me not long ago, but I do not have a citation to give.

I hope you find a good vape soon! I, too, am new to this, and FC has been so helpful, except for the VAS which led me to buy an Underdog to pair with my Haze!

Edit to add : terpinoids or terpenes are what give cannabis it's odor and flavor. Changing your searches to include those terms may help. I understand your search, I am interested in a couple of terpenes as well for their possible anti-depressant qualities. I found my two favorite strains, bubba kush and headband can have nearly equal profiles of those terpenes...of course, each seed and grow will be different.

Hey woolspinner, appreciate the input.

>> As to people's reaction, you came across as being pretty certain that the word of your website is absolute truth

That wasn't my intention, I was simply quoting the place where I found this information and asked questions relating to it. I checked, nearly every line in that post has a question mark at the end.

Nothing I said also wasn't factual... for example...

1DMF said:

Sorry, but I can't find any mention of that temperature (it's blank) or what temperature combustion starts on the thread you posted, am I going blind?

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it is blank, I can't see anything on that page relating to the temp I was talking about, and it was posted to prove different to the link I originally posted.

I'm still confused an unable to fathom what I'm meant to be looking at that contradicts the other site not to mention the posts in the GH thread and what Pyr0 provided, they all seem to show the same thing, so I don't understand what the problem is?

Hey, ho, no biggie, like you said 'I think it is all about experimenting and what works for YOU'... and that is exactly what I will do, as soon as I can decide on what vape to purchase.

A desktop is not an option, I'm not meant to be consuming dope anymore as it is.

Giving up smoking having smoked since I was 8 and am now 44, is a big deal for me, but switching to a vaporiser, may be the savior so I can continue to medicate and not smoke and not be a nicotine addict anymore.

The wife is a non-smoker and about to have our first baby, so smoking is a big no-no, if it wasn't for vaping technology, I'd be biting my nails and ripping peoples heads off!

The wife is happy that my music room isn't smelly and full of smoke anymore, wow the difference it makes vaping... not a single bad odor this morning and no foggy haze floating in the room either - awesome!

Now I just need to find the right vape for me and the right settings, and I'll be laughing!

Zion for the WIN!
You will not be disapointed!

I am sorry @1DMF but @DieHard has a bias towards the Zion.
I mean why on earth would anyone want an on-demand convection vaporizer made from sustainable resources built by a company who has actively involved its future customer base in its transition from an idea to a lovely wooden object with outstanding performance, industry proven electronics and readily available batteries.
It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

phattpiggie said:

I am sorry @1DMF but @DieHard has a bias towards the Zion.

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no shit

Edit: Ouch , this Titan II is getting hot!

Air is what, ~120 Euro + shipping and possibly customs? Or am I doing the math wrong? It is USD$160 stateside here. I put it into my pocket with a loaded stem inserted on a fairly frequent basis. It is bigger than a mechanical mod ecig type device, maybe like the big 26650 models, but I keep my sleeve on mine which makes it bigger. Also keeps it from sliding out of your pocket though. Seems like more people vape than smoke cigarettes in my area, so I keep the stem with the mouthpiece clean for outside use. Nobody gives me a second look unless they know what fresh pot smells like and they somehow get in my 'exhaust stream'. No smoke smell though.

One of my friends was swearing the Solo has no smell when in use and was bragging about how he could use it around his wife, he is full of doo-doo. I have seen quite a few people write that here as well. Said the same about the Air too. You can't smell it too much if you are using it yourself, but if you aren't you could smell it pretty good. It's good cannabis smell though of course, not plastic smell. His wife caught him but she thought he had cannabis in his pocket. I told him to have a sit down with her that it is okay to use the stuff, particularly with a nice clean vapor path.

I didn't do a burn off with my Air, and didn't NEED one with the Solo (but did anyways for the Solo). m But maybe a different vape would be better for you. Maybe you can go to a brick and mortar to compare sizes too?

I don't pay attention to reviews on vape seller sites, I would say chances are many might be made by the vape manufacturers or their buddies. I follow that rule in general no matter what I am purchasing. All you need is right here on this site. Just read, read, read. I read for about 3 mos before I settled on a vape, after getting a crummy one like you mentioned. Told my buddy not to waste his cash on a shitty vape, but he did anyways. Got him a Solo hand me down.

There are plenty of other good vapes too, smaller ones as well. But I am very happy with my Air. It's fantastic. Wonderful taste, heats up pretty fast (though it takes a lot longer than I had figured, I thought I could take it out of my pocket and take a hit willy nilly.) I honestly can fit it in my pocket with the stem inserted, but I would wager it depends on your pocket size. I like big pockets. But actually, I think I fit it into a pair of Wrangler jeans once or twice. I think part of the stem poked out though. But it just looks like an ecig ducksbill stem.

I do not think that 401 degree deal is anything worth worrying about, to be honest.

If you do get an air I would recommend an extra battery. Good luck in your search. Read all the threads, try to read some that are not even about the vapes you are most interested about.

Has anyone suggested the Summit? It's fairly cheap, heats fast, charges fast, easy to clean and pretty durable. That would be my suggestion.

Are you looking for stealth or for a room that doesn't smell and get smoky? If you want to hide your vaping form your wife that's one thing. If you want the space you vape in to be free of smell when you are not actively vaping that's another. I'd still recommend the air/solo if the latter. Or even a log vape. My enano and underdog need to be plugged in. When not in use they sit on a shelft looking like essential oil vaporizers which they are.

little maggie said:

Are you looking for stealth or for a room that doesn't smell and get smoky? If you want to hide your vaping form your wife that's one thing. If you want the space you vape in to be free of smell when you are not actively vaping that's another. I'd still recommend the air/solo if the latter. Or even a log vape. My enano and underdog need to be plugged in. When not in use they sit on a shelft looking like essential oil vaporizers which they are.

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He wants a portable, no?