Concentrates vs. Flower tolerance and effect

syrupy

syrupy

Authorized Buyer
After a good journey with mostly concentrates, I've recently switched back to flowers only.

I'm noticing a couple of effects that I'm unsure of. Maybe someone can explain...

I do enjoy the strong quick effect of dabbing. In terms of efficiency it works well. But because the quality of oils here varies much more than flowers, I've unplugged the e-nail and gone back to the nano. What is odd is that almost immediately, I was feeling the effects much stronger with flowers, like the effect was lasting much longer. This is the opposite of what I'd expect.

I figured it was just an effect of switching up methods, but after a couple of weeks it's still the same: flowers are plain getting me higher. Also, I noticed the effects with flower feel "fuller" (not sure how else to describe it). It's like taking away the sledgehammer of dabbing allows more subtle effects to surface.

This leads to the question: could there be something in the process of making concentrates, that somehow leaves behind compounds that are preserved in flowers? Does the THC in oils just overpower everything else. Or am I just getting really really strong flowers?
 
StheDubya

StheDubya

Active Member
I really like your question. Noticed the same things myself through the years. I don't really have the desire to write a long technical reply because I'm just way too lazy for that today. I have read up on the subject before though.

To put it in simple terms, you are changing from a form that has high THC with small amounts of everything else to a form that has much lower THC but much higher amounts of everything else. It is synergy between the THC and the everything else that makes weed special. It is the same as say smoking a bowl vs vaping buds. Totally different "feel" most of the time.

So to answer the question is something left behind, yes indeedy. A lot of the "everything else" doesn't come out. That's my opinion on it anyway.
 
Jared

Jared

Cannabis Enthusiast
Flowers always give me a good full strong long lasting high compared to concentrates (even rosin) that usually get me stupid high for a very short time and I definitely wouldn't describe it as a "full" high like I would with flowers.
 
phooka

phooka

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Got some yummy flowers. Into the volcano! Yummy! Stoney! Ok now into the ever clear for 10 minutes. Out comes amber shatter. Yummmmmmmmm smells so good when you warm it up just like the flower. Each hit is like a trip to the stars to meet the spirits. I love oil, it's so hypnotic. It so easy to ingest huge amounts of medicine. When your lungs are shot like mine from SMOKING too much herb, you appreciate the sledgehammer force of oil. Each hit tastes like the first bag of the volcano, but it's not dry and harsh like a bag. soooo smooth no cough. Forget bho though every time I smoke on that for a while I get this weird cough. ethanol oil for me. Leftover goodies in the flower go into tincture. Beauty of ethanol. Simple. Zenful. Waste no herb. :leaf:
 
2clicker

2clicker

Observer
StheDubya said:
To put it in simple terms, you are changing from a form that has high THC with small amounts of everything else to a form that has much lower THC but much higher amounts of everything else.
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i think this basically it. what i find is that concentrates provide a much more clear headed high and flowers more of a sedating high. regardless of strain (some strains more than others tho).

so its usually oils during the day and early evenings and then flowers later on. flowers in the morning...? are amazing for the first 30-45 mins. then its nap time. i do not get that with concentrates.

i find myself using concentrates mostly. sometimes i may go few days before using flowers. but when the time comes its very good.
 
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We5d

Well-Known Member
Not sure if this is off topic but does ice water bubble hash have more of the everything else then BHO and other solvent waxes? I feel like it does but I'm a noob and this could just be in my head?
 
StheDubya

StheDubya

Active Member
We5d said:
Not sure if this is off topic but does ice water bubble hash have more of the everything else then BHO and other solvent waxes? I feel like it does but I'm a noob and this could just be in my head?
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I would think so.
 
StheDubya,
shredder

shredder

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We5d said:
Not sure if this is off topic but does ice water bubble hash have more of the everything else then BHO and other solvent waxes? I feel like it does but I'm a noob and this could just be in my head?
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Good question. Ice water hash is trichomes made brittle by cold and knocked off plant material by ice. It is cannabis oil with some plant waxes. It typically dries to a clumpy or even powder. It can be pressed into pucks however or molded by hand. The grades are determined by the bag mesh size. The herb and water are filtered by different sized mesh bags.

Hash oil is made from solvents like butane or alcohol has water, plant waxes, and some plant material in them, but it gets filtered off. The best have little other than the good stuff. The worst may still have plant materials or worse yet solvents in them. As far as I know it's a buyer beware atmosphere in most states. It helps if what you consume is tested or you made it yourself.
 
florduh

florduh

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I find flower gives me a much more "stoney" effect. That's an effect I don't really like to experience all the time. Flower is more of a "treat" to me on weekends here and there. Concentrates are more of a daily thing for me.

People seem to say the "entourage" effect from flower is only a good thing. Personally, I think it's a double edged sword. I find the high from flower to be a bit "dirty". But "dirty" can be fun. At the right time at least!
 
Baron23

Baron23

Well-Known Member
syrupy said:
After a good journey with mostly concentrates, I've recently switched back to flowers only.

I'm noticing a couple of effects that I'm unsure of. Maybe someone can explain...

I do enjoy the strong quick effect of dabbing. In terms of efficiency it works well. But because the quality of oils here varies much more than flowers, I've unplugged the e-nail and gone back to the nano. What is odd is that almost immediately, I was feeling the effects much stronger with flowers, like the effect was lasting much longer. This is the opposite of what I'd expect.

I figured it was just an effect of switching up methods, but after a couple of weeks it's still the same: flowers are plain getting me higher. Also, I noticed the effects with flower feel "fuller" (not sure how else to describe it). It's like taking away the sledgehammer of dabbing allows more subtle effects to surface.

This leads to the question: could there be something in the process of making concentrates, that somehow leaves behind compounds that are preserved in flowers? Does the THC in oils just overpower everything else. Or am I just getting really really strong flowers?
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I too find flower to have a more well rounded effect while the concentrates feels stronger but...dunno, maybe thinner or sharper effect.

I tend to vape some flower with my dabs. Dabs for strength, flower for roundness/wholeness of effect.

But I'm a med patient that vapes almost exclusively in the late evenings/nights for pain and sedation so I'm not really looking for "functional" high. I want knock out and be able to lay down and sleep.

Cheers
 
shredder

shredder

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biohacker said:
I haven't vaped flowers in a couple of months, but I have noticed a difference in effects using rosin vs solvent based extracts. I'm kinda itching to vape flower again to see what it would be like, if I would even feel it?
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florduh said:
I find flower gives me a much more "stoney" effect. That's an effect I don't really like to experience all the time. Flower is more of a "treat" to me on weekends here and there. Concentrates are more of a daily thing for me.

People seem to say the "entourage" effect from flower is only a good thing. Personally, I think it's a double edged sword. I find the high from flower to be a bit "dirty". But "dirty" can be fun. At the right time at least!
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I mix it up quite a bit. I used to be just flower, then just rosin, but now it's both and once in a while I just take cannacaps. And once or twice a year I take a T break.

I tend to favor rosin or cannacaps when my allergies/asthma is acting up, but after a while I miss good organic terpy herb.

It's like sticking to one vape, something I find hard to do. (thanks FC)
 
mixchu69

mixchu69

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biohacker said:
Curious, when you were just rosin.... how long was it for? And after you started up with flower again, how did it feel?
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@biohacker

Based on my experiences, I wouldn't be too worried about your new tolerance to flower (after exclusively using rosin). I usually dab a lot of top shelf live resins and sauces every night, but one bowl in my mighty always gets me lit. Obviously it will differ from person to person.
 
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biohacker

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mixchu69 said:
Based on my experiences, I wouldn't be too worried about your new tolerance to flower (after exclusively using rosin). I usually dab a lot of top shelf live resins and sauces every night, but one bowl in my mighty always gets me lit. Obviously it will differ from person to person.
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Thanks for sharing! I love live resins and sauces, they are a different feeling than flower, or even rosin really. That's awesome that flower still gets you lit! I have a feeling it will for me as well, but only because i've abstained from it for so long.
 
shredder

shredder

Well-Known Member
biohacker said:
Curious, when you were just rosin.... how long was it for? And after you started up with flower again, how did it feel?
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I used rosin exclusively for 2-3 months. I was surprised how high I got from flowers. A slightly different buzz than rosin, hard to describe, not weak at all, but different.

It seems like whatever we use, we quickly get used to. But we can change vapes, varieties and products to mix things up. Anyway works for me.
 
VapeKnight

VapeKnight

Day Tripper
I started using concentrates last year in an effort to increase the intensity and duration of my high and decrease any impurities of what I was vaping. I had two problems. First, over use of the concentrates lead to chest pain and too high of a tolerance. Second, unless I used a lot I didn't get the fuller feeling I was getting from the herb. I do notice the effects from concentrates to last longer but at a low level background feeling. Somehow it never occurred to me to try just a small amount of concentrate and a small amount of herb back to back to see if the missing CBD's that are in the herb will combine and interact to give the results I'm looking for. Off to the laboratory ...
 
shredder

shredder

Well-Known Member
VapeKnight said:
I started using concentrates last year in an effort to increase the intensity and duration of my high and decrease any impurities of what I was vaping. I had two problems. First, over use of the concentrates lead to chest pain and too high of a tolerance. Second, unless I used a lot I didn't get the fuller feeling I was getting from the herb. I do notice the effects from concentrates to last longer but at a low level background feeling. Somehow it never occurred to me to try just a small amount of concentrate and a small amount of herb back to back to see if the missing CBD's that are in the herb will combine and interact to give the results I'm looking for. Off to the laboratory ...
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How were you using the concentrates? It does make a huge difference.

I prefer low temp dabbing off a sic halo. Hot hits bothers my asthma. In pens, that I rarely use, but love the stealthiness, I hate metal coils and prefer a ceramic disc again at lower temps. For a portable I like to use our mighty with a liquid concentrate capsule smeared with rosin.

And then of course the type of the concentrate matters. Lots of questionable stuff out there.
 
Bandoo

Bandoo

Well-Known Member
biohacker said:
I haven't vaped flowers in a couple of months, but I have noticed a difference in effects using rosin vs solvent based extracts. I'm kinda itching to vape flower again to see what it would be like, if I would even feel it?
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What difference did you notice taste and effect wise between solvent (bho?) and rosin?
 
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biohacker

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Bandoo said:
What difference did you notice taste and effect wise between solvent (bho?) and rosin?
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In general I find the solvent extractions to be stronger. I have some amazing tasting rosins (including hash) as well as amazing tasting solvent extractions, they are just different. My FSE PHO and terp saps are just so intensely flavourful that it's almost on another level.... BUT... then I can pretty much say the same thing about my rosin. It's ALL awesome, and variety is the spice of life for me!

Still looking forward to seeing what vaping top shelf flowers through the FlowerPot feels like in comparison!
 
VapeKnight

VapeKnight

Day Tripper
Honestly I would have to check the type of method in making the concentrates I've been getting and they may be different for each since they came from various dispensaries. the frequency was once or twice daily for a couple of months using either a hypnos zero or source slim both with ceramic atomizers. Usually 3 or 4 hits of 6-8 seconds on medium or medium high setting. Occasionally I would use a Vapman with concentrate screen.
 
VapeKnight,
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