Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

FrogDR said:

Guys i`m after my first session with Ascent :> And i`m happy Taste is very good compare to my old Da Buddah Vaporizer. Everything is great except one thing. I use 2 screens on top and bottom of the chamber but even i use this 2 screens there was a time i find some stuff in my mouth :/ What should I must use to prevent such things ? What you use to stop move herbs to yours mouth ?

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Welcome to the club! I too have found the Ascent taste far superior to either of the 2 other vape's I've ever used (and we did a side-by-side of the iolite vs the Ascent, wow the taste was so different!).

The glass screens will help reduce the amount of crap that makes it through, but not entirely. Once your glass pieces get a little gunked up, that will help catch some of that flying debris (I found i get the most crap in my mouth when I toss in a freshly cleaned inner glass stem, after a day or two of use, I get no crap in my mouth).

As others have said, try not to grind the herb too fine, and inhale slower.

eviling said:

I just ordered my ascent. fiberglass model so excited, been waiting for over a year to do this order!

they haven't emailed me yet with tracking though :-\ hope it comes this week.

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For a second there, I thought "There's a fiberglass edition Ascent??? When did that come out?" ha ha
I ordered mine on a Monday night, had it by Friday (using their free shipping, nothing special)

jkwarrior200 said:

For those of you that use hash or kief do you think you need a higher temperature? If so what temperature do you use?

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.....been using hash with the ascent since....well...since I got it...I take a razor blade and slice off pieces of the hash which I put in between bed of flowers...then vape at regular temps going up the dial...I usually start around 370.....and terminate around 405-410.....works every time...

turk said:

.....been using hash with the ascent since....well...since I got it...I take a razor blade and slice off pieces of the hash which I put in between bed of flowers...then vape at regular temps going up the dial...I usually start around 370.....and terminate around 405-410.....works every time...

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Hi Turk, is it rougher in the throat or the same?

turk said:

.....been using hash with the ascent since....well...since I got it...I take a razor blade and slice off pieces of the hash which I put in between bed of flowers...then vape at regular temps going up the dial...I usually start around 370.....and terminate around 405-410.....works every time...

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I do exactly the same thing with hash, kiff, or even a small dab of oil.

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Pepus said:

Hi Turk, is it rougher in the throat or the same?

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....depends on how much I put in...but usually it's no " rougher " than usual.. But I never suffered from throat or respitory problems...my ailment is lower back pain...so ymmv..

I just tried vaping some crumble wax. I layered it between ground up bud. I first tried temps starting at 385F to 396F, did not taste the wax at all. I let the unit cool then set the temp to 406F. I definitely got a good taste of the wax with the strong wax high. I only hit a couple times, ill let it cool and finish at about 410F max if needed, I would rather keep temps as low as possible to keep the vape smoother. I'll post later when I clean the bowl to see if the wax made a mess. I loaded the the first layer and packed it then tried to press pieces of wax into the bud, then put a layer over that and packed that down. Hopefully the bud held the wax together so it wouldn't leak throughout the bowl. Also I kept the Ascent upright, keeping the bowl level at all times.

I'm about to buy some glass screens

(http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261251230515)

Are those the right ones?

I'm wondering now: are the glass screens also needed for full bowls?

I think so, here you have them at same price but double quantity:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300709197377&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

At the end I decided to give them a try, everybody speaks about so well...

Yahmuffin said:

I'm about to buy some glass screens

(http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261251230515)

Are those the right ones?

I'm wondering now: are the glass screens also needed for full bowls?

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Yes, those look fine - I bought 50 of them for $8 with free shipping on ebay, my LHS wanted $3 EACH for the same glass screens!

I personally always use flowers, no matter how much I pack. I always use 2 flowers in the bottom, but the number of glass flowers I put in the middle and top of the bowl vary depending on how large of a load I pack. Never tried to pack the bowl full without any glass, but I probably should, for research sake, ha ha ha

Pepus said:

I think so, here you are them at same price but double quantity:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300709197377&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

At the end I decided to give them a try, everybody speaks so well...

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Have you received them yet? How much was the postage? I'm in the UK so must be similar price to yours.

If you have them mind sharing your findings?

Btw... I was born in Mexico from catalan parents. I have lived in Catalunya/London for the last 20 years.

The more I use the Ascent the less I feel the need to add flowers. I can get very big clouds at about 395F. Even when only filling the bowl half way I still get big clouds. I do dry my buds well and pack them semi tight. I've tried lower temps with and without flowers and see little if any difference. At first I thought flowers were needed but after refining my tek I find that the flowers aren't making much of a difference. I have stopped using flowers an the bottom completely. I still use them on top sometimes mainly to keep debris from getting into my mouth. But as said previously, after using my cleaned unit a few times the stem with the screen seems to catch most debris. I'm not saying flowers do not help, only that from my personal experience I'm not seeing much of a difference anymore.
I still haven't checked my bowl after vaping some wax. Ill post results later.

....depending upon the amount I put in...by bowl always requires more diligent cleaning with other materials than herb...straight hash requires cleaning, honeycomb hash (big now at some diespensaries here) requires even more diligent cleanings....like after every session.

Yahmuffin said:

Have you received them yet? How much was the postage? I'm in the UK so must be similar price to yours.

If you have them mind sharing your findings?

Btw... I was born in Mexico from catalan parents. I have lived in Catalunya/London for the last 20 years.

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I just ordered them, I first asked to the seller for the shipping to Spain and it is only 7$.

So you are a Mexican-Catalan-Londoner? Great combination

Norcalsun said:

The more I use the Ascent the less I feel the need to add flowers.

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I'm the same way with the flowers. They can be very useful, but I never use 'em.

I finished the rest of my bowl full of a layer of bud, some crumble wax, and a layer of bud on top, no flowers. I did pack each layer. After dumping the ABV my bowl was just as clean as without the wax. The wax must have melted into the bud as it vaped. I think by using a small amount of wax/oil/shatter it will soak into the bud before it melts down or on to the sides of the bowl. The ABV wasn't sticky or clumped together from the wax. It seemed to have vaped away very well. When I knew I got some wax hits the high was definitely stronger but it wasn't as strong as when I use an Epen with a glass globe setup. Maybe because when using the Ascent I'm actually vaping the wax along with some of the bud. Either way I'm glad to see I can vape waxes and other concentrates without making a mess in the bowl. I guess I'll go ahead and try straight wax in the glass can. I do have one extra can. I like to hear from any Ascent owners that have used the glass can to vape straight concentrates. Sure do keep learning different things about this unit.

Alright, so Ive had the Ascent for a day now. At first, no lie - I thought it sucked. After spending sometime with @stickstones as well as davinci customer service I now have this thing pumping vapor intensely.

I will do a video soon, I also have a custom glass blower who's goin make me a drilled class spacer and upper screen for the device.

On another note - they're discount and gift certificates are super flimsy. Not impressed there!

Please keep us posted on your glass blower's drilled glass spacer. Are they interested in selling them once the prototype has been tested & proven? Also post a picture of the final product. Thanks.

mvapes said:

Alright, so Ive had the Ascent for a day now. At first, no lie - I thought it sucked. After spending sometime with @stickstones as well as davinci customer service I now have this thing pumping vapor intensely.

I will do a video soon, I also have a custom glass blower who's goin make me a drilled class spacer and upper screen for the device.

On another note - they're discount and gift certificates are super flimsy. Not impressed there!

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Hey everyone, I am brand new to this forum and have just purchased an Ascent. I have tried to do as much research as I could on my own but the manner in which this forum is set up (one long, all-purpose thread for each vape) makes it kind of hard for me to hunt down answers to my questions. I was wondering if you guys could help me out!

Currently, I am underwhelmed by the performance of my Ascent (and it seems like many of you were initially as well, until you "learned" how to use it correctly). I did not do the initial charge they recommend because the shop I bought it at told me it was unnecessary... did this cause any negative effects on my vape? Also, I have been trying to vape thus far with my herbs in the glass oil can in an effort to keep the oven as clean as possible. I was wondering if this method significantly reduces the amount of vapor, because I have been seeing next to nothing but still feeling somewhat high. From my initial research it seems that the best way is to disperse glass flower screens throughout the oven, but I don't have much insight besides that. What are the burn-ins? How long should I have charged it before starting? In one large umbrella question, I guess - what is the flat-out most effective way to use my new instrument? Thanks a lot in advance.

kDot said:

What are the burn-ins? How long should I have charged it before starting? In one large umbrella question, I guess - what is the flat-out most effective way to use my new instrument? Thanks a lot in advance.

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Running a cycle with nothing put in at a high temperature.

Should fully charge all electronics before first use.

Adding herb to the oil can will produce lackluster results due to the Ascent working by conduction*(heating the material directly by touch). Place a small amount of herb and then the oil can over it, some people report good cloud production that way. The glass flowers are great for keeping heat around the herb (since they're glass they retain heat) and help when vaping small loads. If small loads aren't a concern for you, you can just pack the bowl up. Make sure the herb is packed together, not so tight as to hinder airflow but it shouldn't be in there loosely.

A q-tip with some isopropyl alcohol will clean the oven and evaporate completely.

edit: we're currently in the middle of a server migration and the search feature was unfortunately disabled...

double edit: I meant to say conduction. Conduction is heat transfer by direct contact. Convection is heating air to heat material, the exact opposite. Sorry, Ascent is conduction.

Quetzalcoatl said:

Running a cycle with nothing put in at a high temperature.

Should fully charge all electronics before first use.

Adding herb to the oil can will produce lackluster results due to the Ascent working by convection (heating the material directly by touch). Place a small amount of herb and then the oil can over it, some people report good cloud production that way. The glass flowers are great for keeping heat around the herb (since they're glass they retain heat) and help when vaping small loads. If small loads aren't a concern for you, you can just pack the bowl up. Make sure the herb is packed together, not so tight as to hinder airflow but it shouldn't be in there loosely.

A q-tip with some isopropyl alcohol will clean the oven and evaporate completely.

edit: we're currently in the middle of a server migration and the search feature was unfortunately disabled...

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Thank you so much!

Is it a legitimate concern that pieces of herb will come out of the little holes in the bottom of the oven if I load it straight in? I'm assuming this is why people put the glass screens under the herb as well?

kDot said:

Hey everyone, I am brand new to this forum and have just purchased an Ascent. I have tried to do as much research as I could on my own but the manner in which this forum is set up (one long, all-purpose thread for each vape) makes it kind of hard for me to hunt down answers to my questions. I was wondering if you guys could help me out!

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Well, normally there is a search function that will help you, but it has temp been disabled whilst the servers are being worked on.


I really don't think the initial charge is all that important. Most people, as it is a new toy, want to do everything just right from the start. But the device already had a charge at the factory and has been turned on a few times before it got into your hands. (Testing and what-not) So, don't fret too much on that one.

Flower in the oil can is a bad idea. Think about the fact that you are only drawing air around the exterior of the jar. There will be some mild turbulence around the top and a slight chimney effect, but otherwise you aren't doing much. Unless you drill holes in the bottom (a few people have and a few people have broken jars trying to), it won't be that useful. [It's better for a few drops of oil which will sit on the glass than a full pack of flower.]

Instead, put a pinch or two of flowers on the bottom and put the oil can ON TOP of that (presuming you put in enough to close it with the can on top.) You'll see better results that way.

Or you can just fill the whole bloody bowl and just use the can as a damper to pack product. (Of course if it is full of product you don't close it with the can in there.... only use the can to pack the bowl tighter.) That's for the people that love super big bowls though....

But many of of have found the MOST effect thing to do with a not-full bowl is to:

1. Put a few flowers on the bottom
2. place product in
3. Put more flowers on top, thumbtack-style with the stems down.

I don't honestly know if #1 is really needed, but I do it out of habit. For #3 I try to fill the rest of the bowl. The idea is that glass > air. You want the glass in there for thermal recovery.



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@Quetzalcoatl only beat me to the post because of my verbosity.

I'll add to that, if you go high-temp the bowl might get some baked on stuff that ISO+Qtip won't cure. I hear tell Magic Erasers work well here.

kDot said:

Thank you so much!

Is it a legitimate concern that pieces of herb will come out of the little holes in the bottom of the oven if I load it straight in? I'm assuming this is why people put the glass screens under the herb as well?

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If it's ground up that fine, yeah it could theoretically fall through, but usually the heat will melt the trichomes to the herb together and it becomes a puck. And yep, that's why people put the glass flowers in first, a good screen and they get warm from the bowl heat and help vape. @nigel is an expert in this, I'm just here lurking late at night and reading Listen to him.

@nigel I caught the error in my other post, by the way, conduction != convection

Thanks for the advice! It's been charging for about an hour now, are these able to be used whilst charging? Really wanna try the oil can over the herb method

Quetzalcoatl said:

@nigel is an expert in this, I'm just here lurking late at night and reading Listen to him.

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I tagged you in an edit to the previous posts (I don't believe that notifications get sent out for @ mentions or quotes if they are done in an edit), but yeah, you said pretty much what I was going to, but with less words.


I will say I amazed at how many flakes get through those tiny holes. I think there is some physics bending going on here. The holes will close up a bit, but also the condensation on the interior of the stems makes a nice "fly-trap" sticky paper to get most of them after a while.

kDot said:

I'm assuming this is why people put the glass screens under the herb as well?

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This is why people put METAL screens under the herb? (I presume you are talking about the extra screens that ship with it.)

I don't use them as I don't want the metal in there.
[EDIT: Just stating that as a personal choice so I don't have input here. Don't mean to suggest you or anyone shouldn't choose to use them if you like. I just can't address how well they work.]

kDot said:

Thanks for the advice! It's been charging for about an hour now, are these able to be used whilst charging? Really wanna try the oil can over the herb method

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I've used it on charge a bit.

One thing to be aware of, is from time to time, I've seen the charge animation NOT stop. No biggie. Unplug, replug. It'll read fine again.




ONE MORE POINT: In the previous post I meant to add another point --

If you got either GonG adapter, use it. It might not be as portable, so you might only use it when at home and then use the stock straw when out and about. [If you go back a few pages, I posted pix of my vapeEDC where I do carry it with me.]

But if you use it instead of the the stock stem (so use it as a mouth piece), you'll get a better experience. There are a few reasons for this including better air seal, more glass mass, etc, but I asked about 15 pages back for everyone else that tried it to chime in, and I don't think that anyone that did respond didn't indicate the experience was better.

So, if you have it, use it. [If you didn't get one, don't worry too much about it.]


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Quetzalcoatl said:

@nigel I caught the error in my other post, by the way, conduction != convection

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No notification of an EDIT-@-mention. Just caught it scrolling. Without , no vape is 100% either. (Unless someone has figured out how to vape in Zero-G inside of a vacuum.) A vape is PREDOMINATELY (or perhaps "mostly" is a safer word) one or the other.

You guys are so helpful and thorough! Thanks a lot. My vape is surprisingly already done charging (I think.. the battery LED is full and not repeatedly filling up) so I am ready to go!