Underdog Log Vapes

Nbajunkie

Nbajunkie

Someones always watching..
Falling in love with my UD all over again. This bubbler fogs up fast! So many a crappy photos..But you cant argue with the results.. Im waiting on a 45 degree 14mm female adapter for it(just ordered from planet vape..Thats going to set it off! I also just had 2 special cookies so...hmm should have thought that one over a little more carefully:o
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underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
@ thg - these mini-VVPS do tend to run pretty hot, the aluminum shell acts as a heatsink (by design) which makes it more noticeable than if they were made of another material, or were larger even. Given its heatsink-like nature anything that gets some more airflow around the case, whether just lifting it up off a surface a bit or having a fan on it will certainly help cool things down. Not sure that it's necessary but obviously cooler is better for it's longevity.

@ Nba - nice looking setup.. :spliff:

Alright, back to work for me, finishing up 10-15 new pieces for a little refresh next week so best get up and get at it. :peace:
 
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that herb guy

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Well, I turned it down to ~10v before bed and felt it before I cranked it back up this morning, and it actually runs pretty cool at lower temps. I don't see any issue even setting it on a table for a while at 10v it's not uncomfortable to handle.

Either way, the glass jar idea suggested to me works great. Could leave it cranked and as long as it's not next to anything flammable should be fine.

Still planning on my order, but still waiting on some $ to process.:nope: Hopefully it will hit in the next couple of days.

I'm curious to hear a little more about these upgraded dog versions and stems coming out.:brow:
 
djonkoman

djonkoman

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also curious what the anouncements will be
did some buying for the weekend yesterday, so my dog will get plenty of walking this weekend

I'm glad I bought 2 WonGs and not one btw, a while(few weeks or so) back I dropped one of the glass liners while drying it off after rinsing with water(after alcoholcleaning), on the bathroomfloor on the part where there was no cover of the tiles, and the glass liner shattered.
so now I'm rotating the 2nd glass liner between the 2 wooden WonG-parts(one is 14 mm, other 18 mm)

and I now also pretty often use it with WonG but without water, with the J-hook I have, wich allows for some cooling and seeing the vapor in the glass for when I want to use it without water
 
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underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
Yeah the website is looking pretty bare.. :uhoh: fortunately I've got a bunch of new pieces pretty much done for the refresh, just waiting on some screens to come in for the stems so I can put them up. Hopefully they should be here by this weekend but there's a chance they might not show up until early next week. :shrug:

Once the screens show up I'll be able to finishing everything and get the refresh loaded. Will also make an announcement about the new stem options. :peace:
 
chinaboy

chinaboy

Still learning this thing called Cannabis
This is my first post ever. I purchased an underdog a couple of weeks ago and had it sent all the way around the world to a small Asian country.

I just wanted to say that I'm very happy with it. I can't believe how much herb it conserves! I had a PAX before and I like the underdog much better. In fact, now I'm looking to sell the PAX since it doesn't get used anymore.

A quick question, how much herb do you people usually use per sesson? I know that this is a highly subjective questtion that depends on factors such as tolerance, herb quality, etc., but I guess what I'm trying to ask is what's the least amount of herb you use? I started with about half of a PAX oven's worth, then I started using just enough to cover the screen. I've been doing that for about a week now, and it seems to be giving me the effect I want, but I find that I might use it twice in an afternoon as opposed to just once, like before.
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

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chinaboy said:
A quick question, how much herb do you people usually use per sesson? I know that this is a highly subjective questtion that depends on factors such as tolerance, herb quality, etc., but I guess what I'm trying to ask is what's the least amount of herb you use? I started with about half of a PAX oven's worth, then I started using just enough to cover the screen. I've been doing that for about a week now, and it seems to be giving me the effect I want, but I find that I might use it twice in an afternoon as opposed to just once, like before.
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I don't have any exact numbers, but I know that I often put in just enough to cover the screen, whether it be the screen of the silicone stem, glass stem, or WonG. I also know that I can make .25 - .30 g last all day while taking one hit every 20-30 minutes. Hope that helps.

You'll find your own numbers with repeated usage. And you'll definitely use less herb than with the Pax, even if you're using the Dog more than once in an afternoon. :tup:
 
chinaboy

chinaboy

Still learning this thing called Cannabis
Thanks for the reply EveryDayAmnesiac. Another quick question(s).

First, do you fellow underdog users leave the stem on between hits? If so, does the herb get a little vaporized between the hits? Could you leave the stem on for an afternoon and just take hits when needed?

Second, what makes the underdog so damn efficient? I know the reasons vapes in general are more efficient, but why is a log vape so much more efficient than say, The Silver Surfer, for example? They're both convection style vapes, right?

Thanks to anyone who may know the answers to my questions. :)
 
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HighlyEducatedScholar

HighlyEducatedScholar

Student of Vapor
chinaboy said:
Thanks for the reply EveryDayAmnesiac. Another quick question(s).

First, do you fellow underdog users leave the stem on between hits? If so, does the herb get a little vaporized between the hits? Could you leave the stem on for an afternoon and just take hits when needed?

Second, what makes the underdog so damn efficient? I know the reasons vapes in general are more efficient, but why is a log vape so much more efficient than say, The Silver Surfer, for example? They're both convection style vapes, right?

Thanks to anyone who may know the answers to my questions. :)
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I don't leave my stem on between hits. In my experience, I have found that this may lead to the silicone becoming looser. But thats just me, i know there are several UD users who prefer leaving their stems on.

In the terms of the UD efficiency, i'll leave that to the others guys on here who have a better understanding of engineering. Glad you're loving your Dog though :tup:
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

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chinaboy said:
Second, what makes the underdog so damn efficient? I know the reasons vapes in general are more efficient, but why is a log vape so much more efficient than say, The Silver Surfer, for example? They're both convection style vapes, right? :)
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They are both convection, yes. The efficiency of the log vape as opposed to the Silver Surfer starts simply with the smaller bowl size. The wand of the SSV has a much larger surface area. And, if you're like me, youll find that its size is not necessary to medicate you.

So you're vaping less at a time, to start with. And if you use the search function well enough, I think you'll find a lot more answers to that question. I think there's even a thread specifically about it.

Either way, I'll let others pick up on this, since I'm a Padawan Vaporist. Hopefully, it'll be Mr. Underdog himself. :dog:

He's cool like that.
 
Stu

Stu

Maconheiro
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I don't think Dave is allowed to talk about comparisons since he's a manufacturer on this site. I agree with your assessment though. Smaller bowl size in a more focused area probably does increase efficiency, although not by a huge amount IMO.

:peace:
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

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Stu said:
I don't think Dave is allowed to talk about comparisons since he's a manufacturer on this site. I agree with your assessment though. Smaller bowl size in a more focused area probably does increase efficiency, although not by a huge amount IMO.

:peace:
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Hmm. Hadn't thought about that. But surely he can explain why his product is efficient in its own right?

I just know if I asked that question about efficiency, I'd want a manufacturer answer. Or at least someone with more than 1,000 posts to answer. Not a rube, like me.
 
chinaboy

chinaboy

Still learning this thing called Cannabis
I just know if I asked that question about efficiency, I'd want a manufacturer answer. Or at least someone with more than 1,000 posts to answer. Not a rube, like me. [/quote]

I agree. I'm really curious about this. Dave, can you explain this?
 
chinaboy,
underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
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I don't think there's any magic to a Logs (UD or otherwise) efficiency really. I think mostly it's a result of optimally sized stems and a compact heater that can deliver a lot of heat, quickly to the stem load. These are qualities that all that all the various Logs have and as such they're all nicely efficient. :2c:
 
Peloton

Peloton

Vapes Hard
underdog said:
I don't think there's any magic to a Logs (UD or otherwise) efficiency really. I think mostly it's a result of optimally sized stems and a compact heater that can deliver a lot of heat, quickly to the stem load. These are qualities that all that all the various Logs have and as such they're all nicely efficient. :2c:
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Wait, so you're saying my UD isn't magical? :huh:
 
Meghan

Meghan

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I apologize if this question has been answered elsewhere. :)

I'm a very happy UD user, but am really wanting to do some kind of water filtration. I've found that since quitting smoking, I'm really noticing the dryness involved in vaporizing. I've done a little research on here, but most of the suggestions for water attachments have basically involved travel beakers or flat-out bongs. Are there any more discreet options that would work for the UD (or even an Arizer Solo)? I've seen the Aquavape pieces that are supposed to work with whip-type delivery systems...I'm thinking something like that. Basically, I want something that could be stored easily. I have a kid and really don't like having obvious paraphernalia lying around. However, I medicate multiple times daily and don't like having to deal with setting up a whole mess of stuff every time. That's exactly why I like the UD...it's discreet, always out, always on, simple.

Are my hopes too high? Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, guys. I hope everyone is having a mellow night. :)
 
Meghan,
Peloton

Peloton

Vapes Hard
Meghan said:
Are there any more discreet options that would work for the UD (or even an Arizer Solo)?

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Are my hopes too high? Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, guys. I hope everyone is having a mellow night. :)
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Hi Meghan, I'm not sure what your definition of discreet is, but yes, the UD works quite well with smaller pieces. The AquaVape does look really nice for the spill-proof-ness, but a small bubbler might be worth looking into as well. The UD mates quite easily with 14mm connections, which a lot of smaller glass pieces have. :2c:
 
Peloton,
Nbajunkie

Nbajunkie

Someones always watching..
You forgot to suggest buying a wong (wood and glass water adapter ) From the UD site..Its definately worth it .A small bubbler is the way to go.The smaller can size makes it fill up faster .The more it bubbles the faster the dog fogs up.
 
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chinaboy

chinaboy

Still learning this thing called Cannabis
HighlyEducatedScholar said:
I don't leave my stem on between hits. In my experience, I have found that this may lead to the silicone becoming looser. But thats just me, i know there are several UD users who prefer leaving their stems on.
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So, besides the silicone becoming looser, there's no other problems with leaving the stem on, like the herb being slowly vaped?
 
chinaboy,
Peloton

Peloton

Vapes Hard
chinaboy said:
So, besides the silicone becoming looser, there's no other problems with leaving the stem on, like the herb being slowly vaped?
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If you leave your stem directly on the UD heater core for more than a few minutes with a glass stem, yes it will probably get cooked... I speak from experience. Its not a big deal though. If you use a glass piece, often you can keep your stem sitting in your bong and not have to worry about heat being applied to your stem unless you are holding it to it.
 
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Stu

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
Peloton said:
If you leave your stem directly on the UD heater core for more than a few minutes with a glass stem, yes it will probably get cooked... I speak from experience. Its not a big deal though. If you use a glass piece, often you can keep your stem sitting in your bong and not have to worry about heat being applied to your stem unless you are holding it to it.
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This may be true to some extent, but I can tell you from experience that I've hit a partially used stem after hours of being on the heat port and still got good hits. So it doesn't all just cook away like some other vaporizers. There may be some loss, but it's not that much IME. Of course screen distance plays some role here as well. If the load is touching the heat port, there will be degradation. However if it's a safe distance (>1/4"?) then you will not totally cook your load during an extended absence.

:peace:
 
Peloton

Peloton

Vapes Hard
Stu said:
This may be true to some extent, but I can tell you from experience that I've hit a partially used stem after hours of being on the heat port and still got good hits. So it doesn't all just cook away like some other vaporizers. There may be some loss, but it's not that much IME. Of course screen distance plays some role here as well. If the load is touching the heat port, there will be degradation. However if it's a safe distance (>1/4"?) then you will not totally cook your load during an extended absence.

:peace:
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You bring up a good point Stu, thanks. The 'experience' I speak of was when I used to have my screen pretty much right on the heatport... I've since realized that's not necessary. :tup:
 
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