VXC or LSV

Having used these two vapes exclusively for so long now I wanted to put up an easy comparison for people who can't decide if the Cloud is worth the extra cash. The VXC has been touted by many(not all) as the newest and best vape in the glass on glass direct to waterpipe category. With only a few contenders like the LSV and VripTech Heat Wand even comparing. For someone shopping for a high end plug in vaporizer for use with a waterpipe, there are only two vapes Iwould recomend, the VapeXhale Cloud, and the Life Saber Vaporizer. I have used each extensivly and must say they rival eachother closely in vapor quality and ease of use. keep in mind I'm looking at the LSV for waterpipe use only, it can also use a dry transfer wand. But then, so can the VXC.

Heat up time: Winner - LSV
VXC - 5-10 minutes, usually the latter for me
LSV - 2-3 minutes ALWAYS. I find in real life the LSV will be ready to vape much quicker than the VXC, so if you are on a time crunch it is the clear winner.

Durability: Winner - LSV
VXC - Durable as fuck. Iv'e dropped it from waist level to the carpet many times and luckily the glass bamboo is strong and even slides up and down when hit hard, saving it from surely having broke. Another possibility is the Clouds bamboo gong joint being broken in half while plugged into a waterpipe joint, so that is something you and friends half to be aware of. And if you use a hydratube with friends there is possibility of them coughing into it and water shooting into the bamboo and most likely cracking it.
LSV - The glass heater cover is encapsulated in the metal body of the vape so dropping this would much less likely get broken compared to dropping the VXC. I believe the biggest deciding factor is that the LSV's waterpipe adapter(bowl) is not connected to the LSV, so if it breaks it's only a small piece you can replace.

Reliability: Winner - LSV
VXC - I feel like the Clouds ability to always produce that thick vapor is not always there when it goes green. Sometimes it still needs more heat up time even though yesterday at this same temp the vapor was glorious. So the Cloud may need to be on for a while to produce the thickest vapor it possibly can. Only a few times has the LED light failed on me(had errors and flashed all crazy, causing me to not use the VXC that day). Then suddenly it works fine next day.
LSV - Always after 2 minutes when i put it back to my temp it will produce the same vapor, ALWAYS. We all know there is not much to go wrong with 7th Floor vapes, they either work or they don't power on.

Vapor Quality: Winner - VXC
VXC - The vapor quality after this thing has been on 7-15 minutes is undeniably superior to what the LSV can produce. It seems to just extract more efficiently while keeping the herb perfectly evenly burned. Because it has heat retention like the herbalair did, you can take bigger hits withought worrying about the bowl getting way to dark or hot. You can pass it to a friend and say just plug into downstem, take hit, and clear.
LSV - Now the vapor quality can be ALMOST just as good as the Cloud, thing is it takes technique, while the cloud is plug and play. With the waterpipe adapter you HAVE to rotate the LSV to not get a dark spot in the middle, and you have to mix between every hit(or two, but i don't do that). So it's possibly to vape a bowl just as evenly as with the VXC, except there is room for error and even when I'm really vaped I find myself accidenly getting a black spot in the middle from trying to take too big a hit. Basically i can't let non vapor pros use the LSV.

Taste/Airpath: Winner - VXC
VXC - The path is all glass besides the Stainless steel bowl, and no vape I have ever used had better flavor, every time.
LSV - The path is all glass except for the ceramic element and the strainless steel screens. taste is comparably to VXC and sometimes just as good, but once again it requires more finesse and teqnique than the VXC. I also feel no matter what the LSV has a slight harshness from the hot element, that the VXC doesn't have.

Maintenance - Winner LSV
VXC - Parts to clean = EZ load bowls, and because they go directly into the bamboo, you have to clean it also because it gets crumbs in it.
LSV - Parts to clean = Waterpipe adapter. Also I find you have to clean EZ load bowls much more often then you have to clean the Waterpipe adpater, but that could vary person to person.

Verdict:

Gotta have both! The vapor quality of the Cloud is slightly better and more easy to achieve, but I don't feel it is always there for me when I'm in a rush or bringing a friend over. For instance, when it's cold out sometimes it takes more like 15 minutes for this vape to start getting the big hits, even though the light is green. When the vapes body starts to get warmer then it is producing the usual hits. The LSV is always at the same temp after 2-3 minutes. So if I'm in a rush I always use my LSV over my Cloud, simply because the Cloud takes too long to get going. Also I feel like I always have to check up on the Cloud because every hour it turns it self off, then I have to wait 10+ minutes for it to be vaping like it was. The LSV could be left on at the perfect temp all evening, and If I left it on overnight it wouldn't be that worrisome.

Each has it's ups and downs but for bang for your buck, the LSV wins. Considering the Cloud costs almost twice as much. I like to use the VXC when I have time on my hands, but when it really comes down to it, the LSV totally meets my needs and more.

Nice reveiw...thanks for taking the time!

I agree that the LSV heats up quicker, but both vapes take longer for me than advertised.

I don't think the LSV is any more durable than the Cloud, but it is a lot cheaper to fix when you do break it, so the winner there is the same!

And fuck yeah, gotta have both! I wouldn't part with either one. Although, I found that when factoring in the cost of a good water piece for the LSV, the price difference was not as great.

Thanks again for a great review. It's a comparison people need to and want to know about.

Sweet ass review. I was thinking about getting one or the other.

Can the LSV milk a 16" bong pretty thick?
I currently have the Solo and one bowl (0.1 gram) gets me pretty lifted.
Can I load 0.1 gram into the LSV and get 10+ hits dry? I'm sure with water it would produce less hits.

Also, where is the cheapest place to get the LSV? I see it's $189 on their website.
Are they listed for cheaper anywhere else?

That's usually the best deal. I got mine from vapeworld and they matched the price.

I don't have that big of a tube, but it is my opinion that the LSV can fill anything you attach it to. You have to find the sweet spot in your draw, but once you've got it, it's only limited by how much weed you have in it. Which brings me to....the wpa's. They have a tall and a short one. The short one will fuck you up. The big one is interesting. I have filled it way up with duff for some nightcap sessions and have combusted in them half the time. but the amount the big one can hold is sick...I've never filled it all the way up.

Alright. I got the LSV & WPA shorty in my cart ready to check out.
That's all I need to vape-bong, right?

They have a tall and a short one.

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Sticks - If you bought only one WPA, which one would it be and why?

that's it...make sure you get the right size...14mm vs 18mm. they make them both, so get the one that fits your collection.

Sweet.
I just placed my order. I got the 18mm WPA. That's what my Apix tube is.

I started vaping last month and got the Solo. I havent been able to vape-bong yet cus Planetvape has not restocked their PVHEGONGs since who knows when. I'm fed up w/ waiting. I'll just get this bad boy and vape-bong.

I'll just use the Solo as a portable for when I go out and need to get lifted haha.

I like how the WPA is only $10 with purchasing the LSV.
It's $20 by itself. I was waiting over 2 months for PV to restock their PVHEGONGs for the Solo.
And they cost $24 each. PV has made me so mad these last few weeks.

that's a fantastic combo, keepsake. I don't see much room for improvement!

When you decide you want to compare your solo to the lsv in the bong, you could use ed's wooden stems. i have one and not only is great for travel (not glass), but it mates with a 14mm downstem.

Great review/comparison Nos,thank you for that!
I've been looking to get serious about Vape-bonging and at less than $250 (gotta have spare parts,right?) the LSV is looking damn good. I could get a sweet bong made for Vape use and still come in at less than $400.
One quick question,which is better with small loads? (loads )

Thanks for the review Nosferatu! I've been waiting for a thread like this. I'm an owner of a LSV, but was kind of leaning and kind of not leaning towards purchasing the Cloud. I'd still like to try it someday,but I will wait until I have some spare money/minimal GAS to do so.

ShipDit said:

One quick question,which is better with small loads? (loads )

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I cannot speak for the Cloud but I find the LSV to be extremely efficient with small loads. Sometimes I just put enough herb to cover the screen and it gets me nice and lifted!

lookmomnohands said:

I cannot speak for the Cloud but I find the LSV to be extremely efficient with small loads. Sometimes I just put enough herb to cover the screen and it gets me nice and lifted!

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That's good to know. I'm so used to my Solo. I only load 1/10 of a gram into the bowl and I get nice and lifted.

lookmomnohands said:

Thanks for the review Nosferatu! I've been waiting for a thread like this. I'm an owner of a LSV, but was kind of leaning and kind of not leaning towards purchasing the Cloud. I'd still like to try it someday,but I will wait until I have some spare money/minimal GAS to do so.



I cannot speak for the Cloud but I find the LSV to be extremely efficient with small loads. Sometimes I just put enough herb to cover the screen and it gets me nice and lifted!

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Thanks man,that's just what I needed to know!
Do you use the long or short wand thingy? I'm gonna need a spare,and the short one looks like it would be easier to use.
Last question,I promise,(total lie) what are the weak links in the LSV? I like to order spares when I buy,saves me from tearing my hair out waiting for replacement parts.

Thanks again!

Ship - I have owned both, although I think the LSV was a great device I found it to have quite a learning curve and IMO required some technique to its use successfully. The cloud on the other hand is a fucking axe murderer that takes no more brain power than turning on the swith and waiting with drool on your mouth for that fucker to heat. It's flavor IMO is unparalleled and that son of a bitch requires little to no maintenance. Albeit its quite a bit more on the pocket book but I feel it was a solid investment.

by the way - i sold my LSV - hope this helps brother.

My VXC slogan - the cloud "sober to retarded in 12 minutes flat"

mvapes said:

Ship - I have owned both, although I think the LSV was a great device I found it to have quite a learning curve and IMO required some technique to its use successfully. The cloud on the other hand is a fucking axe murderer that takes no more brain power than turning on the swith and waiting with drool on your mouth for that fucker to heat. It's flavor IMO is unparalleled and that son of a bitch requires little to no maintenance. Albeit its quite a bit more on the pocket book but I feel it was a solid investment.

by the way - i sold my LSV - hope this helps brother.

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Thank you for the info,but screw you for making the cloud vs. LSV decision harder!
All kidding aside,is the cloud worth the extra $? I'm just now starting to plow through the cloud thread,but your thoughts do carry a lot of weight IMHO.
I would love ANY tips,tricks or other little details would help me make my mind up.
Here's a philosophical question for ya,if you had 500$ and could only own one,would you go Cloud,or LSV and a big bag of weed?
Thanks again bro,I appreciate all the knowledge I can get. I've got a FlashVape on order and the wife says I can get one high-end plug in Vape,then no more for at least 6 months,so I can't fuck this up.

ShipDit said:

Thank you for the info,but screw you for making the cloud vs. LSV decision harder!
All kidding aside,is the cloud worth the extra $? I'm just now starting to plow through the cloud thread,but your thoughts do carry a lot of weight IMHO.
I would love ANY tips,tricks or other little details would help me make my mind up.
Here's a philosophical question for ya,if you had 500$ and could only own one,would you go Cloud,or LSV and a big bag of weed?
Thanks again bro,I appreciate all the knowledge I can get. I've got a FlashVape on order and the wife says I can get one high-end plug in Vape,then no more for at least 6 months,so I can't fuck this up.

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I've had over 20 different vaporizers. Some good, some bad - I sold everything but my solo to fund the cloud. Nothing compares to its performance IMO. You can PM me anytime you want to chat it up about either the cloud or farts! My two favorite subjects!

BTW - my wife hated my fucking addiction (vas) and always broke my tomatoes when spending money on new toys - then came the cloud...I think she sleeps with it when I'm on the road brother - I assure you - its no fucking joke. And If it broke - I would gladly wait for the replacement or whore myself out to get another.

Well shit,I guess I'm gonna have to write out a bigger check than I thought. Not sure if my account will cover it. If not I'll have to break into the wife's emergency tampon fund. OR,we could trade spouses.
Any advice on which bubbler I should get? There's to many options and I don't have a clue what's what when it comes to glass.
Thanks again!

If I can but in, I would recommend a medium sized bubbler or bong about foot tall give or take. I would recommend a single chamber with minimal to medium diffusion.

I have to say that I disagree with all this "it's a learning curve" with the LSV. It took me about 1/2 a stem to get the hang of it and I have had friends hit it for the 1st time and blow massive clouds.

If you had NEVER vaped before it might be a little more difficult but not much. With my LSV I can set it at 1 o'clock and hit it just like a regular piece.

Plus at 190$ delivered it is roughly 1/3 the price of the cloud. Agreed that is with a hydra tube, but most of us already have a bunch of glass laying around.

I gotta weigh in here, as I have given this subject a lot of thought and testing, and mvapes is right. Nothing is as brainless and satisfying as a properly functioning Cloud. This is not unanimous, as I can think of two or three members here who have expressed liking the LSV better, but I think the majority lean the other way and chances are you will enjoy the Cloud more.

My take on it is this. If money is tight and you already have a good piece of glass to mate with the LSV, then get that one. It's a fine vape that will make you happy you bought it for years to come. If money is not the bottom line, or you don't have any glass, then get the Cloud. To get a piece of glass comparable to the function and quality of the HydraTubes will price your LSV combo into the Cloud's price range, and the Cloud is worth the difference.

I'm glad to hear the lookmomnohands has good experience with smaller loads in the LSV. That was not my experience, but it could have just been that I was comparing it to the Cloud, which can effectively vape the smallest loads better than anything I have in my collection.

At the end of the day, either vape will make you very happy...they are the top two desktop vapes in my collection. I will not get rid of my LSV, but all it does is sit in its bag under the bed while I hit my Cloud multiple times daily.

deadheadbill said:

I have to say that I disagree with all this "it's a learning curve" with the LSV. It took me about 1/2 a stem to get the hang of it and I have had friends hit it for the 1st time and blow massive clouds.

If you had NEVER vaped before it might be a little more difficult but not much. With my LSV I can set it at 1 o'clock and hit it just like a regular piece.

Plus at 190$ delivered it is roughly 1/3 the price of the cloud. Agreed that is with a hydra tube, but most of us already have a bunch of glass laying around.

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It does have a learning curve compared to the Cloud, but I agree it is very minimal. All you gotta do is not suck on it like you would a bong and you are fine. A nice, medium paced draw is all the instruction necessary.

deadheadbill said:

I have to say that I disagree with all this "it's a learning curve" with the LSV. It took me about 1/2 a stem to get the hang of it and I have had friends hit it for the 1st time and blow massive clouds.

If you had NEVER vaped before it might be a little more difficult but not much. With my LSV I can set it at 1 o'clock and hit it just like a regular piece.

Plus at 190$ delivered it is roughly 1/3 the price of the cloud. Agreed that is with a hydra tube, but most of us already have a bunch of glass laying around.

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Yeah the transfer wand is easy and works similar to the cloud, but you can't hand a friend the waterpipe and LSV and not expect them to burn it without good instructions. Like don't suck too slow(like everyone tends to do), and make sure to rotate it as you hit to not get a black spot. With the Cloud there is no worry of the load even getting uneven, even on super slow massive pulls. I agree with stickstone, the LSV has a much bigger learning curve, we are just vapor-pros.

I should have clarified better in my end result that even though the LSV looks better on paper the VXC is the winner. It's hard to explain to people why it is one step up from the LSV, and it's because of the heat retention, allowing for much bigger hits - EFFORTLESSLY. Something a friend probably will not get the first few times trying to work the LSV on that WPA.

deadheadbill said:

I have to say that I disagree with all this "it's a learning curve" with the LSV. It took me about 1/2 a stem to get the hang of it and I have had friends hit it for the 1st time and blow massive clouds.

If you had NEVER vaped before it might be a little more difficult but not much. With my LSV I can set it at 1 o'clock and hit it just like a regular piece.

Plus at 190$ delivered it is roughly 1/3 the price of the cloud. Agreed that is with a hydra tube, but most of us already have a bunch of glass laying around.

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Have you used the cloud? I only ask because it may be difficult to compare to something you don't have. Im glad you learned to use the LSV with such ease but when I make a recommendation I try and put myself in other peoples shoes - if ship is like me, and he takes your advice on the LSV as opposed to dozens of others who have had to spend some time learning the LSV's technique than he may say to himself "i should have listened to everyone else" - i generate advice on the general consensus. If it was totally on my beliefs I would have said save more money and go with a fucking solo!

Please don't take me the wrong way - I mean no disrespect but you are quite different from the norm and learned the LSV extremely fast. I'm a 5 year vaporyst and have owned more vapes than I haven't if you catch my drift - love 7th floor products but the LSV when asked to compare with the cloud my answer remains the same...


Cloud all fucking day!!!

I wasn't comparing anything actually. Only stating my personal experience with the LSV. The only thing I compared was the price between the 2.

I will say however, that there is a big difference between 190$ and 449$ and if that means I need to take an extra 10 min to learn it's worth $260 to me.

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I wasn't comparing anything actually. Only stating my personal experience with the LSV. The only thing I compared was the price between the 2.

I will say however, that there is a big difference between 190$ and 449$ and if that means I need to take an extra 10 min to learn it's worth $260 to me.

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You've obviously never tried the cloud my friend. For an intense vapor experience like no other than 260 is money well spent.

mvapes said:

.... although I think the LSV was a great device I found it to have quite a learning curve and IMO required some technique to its use successfully.

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I can't debate how the LSV compares to the Cloud simply because I have never used the Cloud, but in my experience with the LSV, while it does require "some" technique to use it successfully, I disagree that it has "quite" a learning curve. It took me all of two hits to get it nailed down. All I did was keep my draw speed at "medium" and adjust temp accordingly till I found the sweet spot so while there is a "bit" of a learning curve, I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to state that it has "quite" a learning curve. Took me all of two minutes.

I know that bag vapes have no learning curve whatsoever and the Cloud may be in the same category as far as that is concerned, but in my opinion, the learning curve with the LSV is just a minor little speed bump that is easily overcome by most.

Just wanted to add a bit of perspective here.