lwien
Well-Known Member
(Mitt Romney... not the guy in the wheelchair...although thats probably what Mitt was thinking).
Oh, I thought you were talking about George Washington.
Mitt Romney on Medical Marijuana
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Oh, I thought you were talking about George Washington.
sessnet
Noob Saibot
LOL now that's funny... maybe if I love cherry trees a LOT or something....
lwien
Well-Known Member
Your old age? How old are ya, turk?
turk
turk
....less than 30 days I turn 60.....there.... it's in writing....been a proponent of weed since my late teens....over 40 years...smoked weed on the nile river in egypt , on a night sky with a full moon...if I coulc have died right than I would have been happy...shared a joint with abbie hoffman..flo kennedy...bill kunstler...married for 10 years to a lawyer, who became a asst. d.a......smoked with MANY assist d.a.'s....
lwien
Well-Known Member
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
I wouldn't vote for anyone who was not successful in their ventures. People who are successful tend to make money.
It's about knowing how to play the game, not just politics.
Romney all day.
lwien
Well-Known Member
THAT is one of the strangest statements that I've ever heard. Let me ask you this. How do you define one as being successful? I define it as one who has accomplished their aim or purpose and while that aim or purpose may be to acquire money, it very well may not have anything to do with acquiring money.
Case in point. Currently, I am living on a fixed income in a rented apartment. I also raised, as a single parent, my twin boys who were both born premature with mild cerebral pasley and mild retardation and I did this while running a company with over 150 employees. Both of my boys (now 30 years old) are now happily married and while they are not in high paying jobs due to their disabilities, they are both self sufficient and contributing to society. Do I consider myself successful? Yup, but I consider them to be even more so and yet, ALL three of us have to watch our pennies to make ends meet.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
I define success as being happy in your life. Having good friends around, having a great family, and living comfortably! We still need to watch our spending, but are satisfied with what we have. We ALWAYS have everything we NEED, and we can still get things we WANT too. We just budget and save for the things we want. 
We are happy. 
We are happy. 
JustOnCloud9
Ate the Kumo Kumo no mi
I respectfully disagree with you. Although I think we see eye to eye that in most things in life it is all about how you play the game, success is subjective in that it varies on context such as a person's goals, situation, and current place in life among other things. And just because you may see someone who is successful at what they do, like Romney who is most likely going to be the Republican Candidate for President, I don't think that is what should determine whether you vote for them or if they are in a person's (like you or me) subjective view of whether or not they are a good person.
Although I am citing a tv show, Marlo Stanfield from The Wire, is utterly successful from beginning to end of his character development. He is a ruthless sociopath drug kingpin who by the end of season 4 filled at least 22 vacant houses with corpses, and at the end evades prosecution due to an illegal wiretap investigation and becomes a millionaire businessmen on the up and up. Clay Davis, a Maryland state Senator of the same show, is successful as well. HE too beats the system because he is a master at playing the game and defeats city prosecution despite enormous evidence of his corruption and how well-known his corruption is in the political sphere. Although they are both fictional I believe that a google search will yield real life examples of people similar to both of these characters. And just because you are successful now, does not mean that when the sand runs out of the hourglass, and your bullshit has been checked, that you do not end up being a pariah and an utter loser in the eyes of many.
I guess what my point is, that as idealistic and fairy tale as it is, voting for someone in my opinion should be based on there character (crickets are chirping on the search for that one) and on their views and how well they stick to them (again the crickets concerto is still in session). In my opinion Ron Paul is the only Republican who is within shouting distance on what I described. And if two candidates are presented that do not fill this criteria then either
A) Don't Vote
B) Choose what you believe to be the lesser of evils
I apologize for my long-winded rant. Just felt like giving my
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
That's the problem. People vote for the lesser asshole and wonder why we continue to get 4 more years of bullshit. I refuse to vote for shit. People need to wake up and say, NO! I wont vote for any of you fuck up's!!
lwien
Well-Known Member
^^ So do you believe that if we don't vote, we will less likely have an "asshole/fuckup" taking residence in the White House?
For me, it's a matter of compromise. I'm financially conservative, but socially liberal. So who in the fuck do I vote for? (Ron Paul comes to mind, but his view on foreign affairs, while seeming very logical, doesn't make sense in the practicality of the real world).
There is no way in hell that I could live with myself voting for someone who'm I might agree with from a financial point of view but whose social views or world affair views scares the shit of me. It's a real conundrum and most times, a compromise when hitting the voting booth.
For me, it's a matter of compromise. I'm financially conservative, but socially liberal. So who in the fuck do I vote for? (Ron Paul comes to mind, but his view on foreign affairs, while seeming very logical, doesn't make sense in the practicality of the real world).
There is no way in hell that I could live with myself voting for someone who'm I might agree with from a financial point of view but whose social views or world affair views scares the shit of me. It's a real conundrum and most times, a compromise when hitting the voting booth.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
If the only choices to vote for are shit, I'll pass. I refuse to vote someone in just to be voting, especially if they are not worthy of my vote. Maybe if people took a stand and said we refuse to vote for any of these incompetent people, we could get someone who is. I refuse to compromise my values and beliefs just to make a "choice," when I don't agree with any of them. I refuse to compromise my values, ever!
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
I was a big Herman Cain supporter. Not the biggest fan of Mittnes but I want the disrespectful husband and wife out of the white house. I wouldn't think twice about pulling the lever for Santorum.
Not voting or voting for Paul is a vote for Obama. There are many things I agree with Ron Paul about, actually quite a few. The thing is the views I don't see eye to eye with him are deal breakers.
For what it's worth I'm a rather socially liberal person as long as views I don't agree with aren't forced upon my family and I or supported with my tax dollars.
Not voting or voting for Paul is a vote for Obama. There are many things I agree with Ron Paul about, actually quite a few. The thing is the views I don't see eye to eye with him are deal breakers.
For what it's worth I'm a rather socially liberal person as long as views I don't agree with aren't forced upon my family and I or supported with my tax dollars.
sublimationpurist
formerly stephenking
You guys still think voting makes a difference? There's lots of recent evidence that it doesn't, but even Mark Twain in his day knew it doesn't:
'If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.'
'If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.'
mrfloopa
Vappy
Voting doesn't make a difference because your vote is an illusion anyway. As mentioned, you're picking the lesser of 2 evils that used to be pretty much the same party. Pretty much always. Now, one just wants to win to take credit for the recovery that they're stalling just so they can be the ones to take credit. Why? And why is that okay? When did being a public servant's number 1 requirement turn into "knowing how to play the game?" When did people forget that representatives are supposed to represent *the people* to get elected, not just get a bunch of money and have the best rhetoric? The people who don't see the problem with how things are are just the kind of people politicians want around. The ones who don't think there is a point in actually trying to make a difference. The ones who think politicians are supposed to be corrupt. Would not voting change anything? Of course not. That is just silly. But voting for the *right* people can, not just for the least wrong people with the illusion that we're doing ourselves any favors.
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
Mitt is not the party of " if i had a son he'd look like tayvon"
Nothing is perfect, politics is a perfect example, I have accepted such. Believe me there are many things I'd like to see changed ( back) but I am not willing to sit by and see my country go down the tubes.
Greed is Good
Nothing is perfect, politics is a perfect example, I have accepted such. Believe me there are many things I'd like to see changed ( back) but I am not willing to sit by and see my country go down the tubes.
Greed is Good
2clicker
Observer
whos country is it again...?
this country as we know it was founded on bullshit. been in the tubes since.
greed is most definitely not good.
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
go move to north korea
Greed is good, it motivates people to work hard to constantly better themselves and to get ahead.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
IME greed is capitalism without a conscience. We can be motivated to accumulate wealth, power, a mate, or other goals in life, but we have a choice as to how we go about it and how much is "enough". The founding fathers of this country assumed a moral population would be necessary and available for the system they put in place to function properly. Corruption is a cancer that eats away at our liberties, slowly stealing what we have traded our lives for in many instances, while we are distracted with bread and circuses . . .
WatTyler
Revolting Peasant
And steal, cheat, kill and invade. How much evil is motivated purely by greed? But as long as it's good for America's economy, eh? That makes it 'good'.
I say conscience is better. Certainly makes for a better, deeper human being.