Egypt could fall..........

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caseball2051

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Heres a question for you guys that have been following this...

should the UN or some other multi country league oversee and help with the transition of power?

or would that just be seen as the west interfering with their nation and cause more of an uproar?
 
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lwien

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Only if they're invited, caseball.

This is a real opportunity for Egypt. There is no guarantee how this is going to play out. The Muslim Brotherhood along with support from the Iranian government may try to come in and take power, but there is one HUGE roadblock of allowing this to happen and that is the Egyptian military.

Such a great opportunity and it's really fortunate that we are here to witness this. I hope it all turns out well. No guarantees though.

First Tunisia, now Egypt. Who's next? The power of the internet in the hands of a young generation truly is changing the world in ways we could never have imagined.
 
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caseball2051

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I agree, Iwein.

It is really cool to see all of this going on. I hope that it works out for the best. Weve seen it work out badly so many times before in other places.

Gotta love peopel coming together to accomplish a common goal.
 
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momatik

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I would argue it'd cause a serious uproar.

The Egyptians have really amazed me. A peaceful revolution throughout. Serious efforts to maintain order and organization. From protecting the hospitals with baseball bats to protecting one another during prayer.

They've proven they're capable as a people. As a country. The international community has to give them the opportunity to make the right decisions.
 
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momatik

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lwien said:
The Saudi Family, even the Iranian government has to be like............WTF ????
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A few Iranians were looking to organize in support of the Egyptian people. They were arrested immediately.
 
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Vapsofatso

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caseball2051 said:
he gave power to the military. theyve been pretty level headed about everything so far. Wonder what happens next. I really hope the brotherhood doenst try to fill the power vaccuum
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You have been mislead by the media your watching caseball. The brotherhood has stated several times that they are not participating in the president elections. They also dont have a majority in the country. The last number I heard is about 20% of the people supporting the muslim brotherhood.
It is the fear for the brotherhood which gives the west the oppurtunity, to install a new puppet government, for the sake of the western world, not the people of egypt.


caseball2051 said:
Heres a question for you guys that have been following this...

should the UN or some other multi country league oversee and help with the transition of power?

or would that just be seen as the west interfering with their nation and cause more of an uproar?
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I don't think this will be apreciated by the Egyptian people. Because of the 30 years of western support for Mubarak.

I still would like to add that the Mubarak-regime hasn't fallen yet. Mubarak is raised in the same army which is controlling the country now. There is no garantue that the army will organize real elections with new candidates.
 
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caseball2051

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Vapsofatso said:
caseball2051 said:
he gave power to the military. theyve been pretty level headed about everything so far. Wonder what happens next. I really hope the brotherhood doenst try to fill the power vaccuum
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You have been mislead by the media your watching caseball. The brotherhood has stated several times that they are not participating in the president elections. They also dont have a majority in the country. The last number I heard is about 20% of the people supporting the muslim brotherhood.
It is the fear for the brotherhood which gives the west the oppurtunity, to install a new puppet government, for the sake of the western world, not the people of egypt.


caseball2051 said:
Heres a question for you guys that have been following this...

should the UN or some other multi country league oversee and help with the transition of power?

or would that just be seen as the west interfering with their nation and cause more of an uproar?
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I don't think this will be apreciated by the Egyptian people. Because of the 30 years of western support for Mubarak.

I still would like to add that the Mubarak-regime hasn't fallen yet. Mubarak is raised in the same army which is controlling the country now. There is no garantue that the army will organize real elections with new candidates.
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the brotherhood owns quite a few seats in parliament. i believe they got 20% of the last vote and the polling numbers were very low in the last election. I believe I read that there was less than a 25% voter turnout.
 
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Plotinus

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This is the poll you're probably thinking of: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/html/pdf/pollock-Egyptpoll.pdf

It was the only one conducted during the protests. It's worth bearing in mind that the sample size here is *very* small - fewer than 400 people. So take these numbers with a grain of salt.

At the least, though, it seems fair to say that the Muslim Brotherhood does not enjoy majority support with the public. And all of their statements suggest that they will respect a democratic process. So fear of a hostile Islamist takeover seems overblown.

What's not overblown is fear that the military will simply hold on to power. Today they announced that they are scheduling elections for September. This is the same thing Mubarak tried to do; it wasn't sufficient then and it isn't sufficient now. The military needs to move very swiftly show it is serious about getting a democratic process together.

I don't think it would be right or effective for a multinational force to reorganize the country. At the least, though, it doesn't seem inappropriate for the army to invite international monitors into Egypt who can verify that it's taking sensible steps toward democratic reform. Unfortunately, the protesters never united around a single leader or party, so I don't know that there is anyone positioned to make this demand. ElBaradei turned out to be a huge disappointment, and aside from him, there is only Amr Moussa, who seems to be keeping a low profile.
 
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VWFringe

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stuartambient said:
here is the real reason Mubarak is out http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48156
sorry i see nothing miraculous or momentous or freedom ringing here . few front groups organizing some mkultraized children.
Just stating my own perspective.
SA
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Here's another take, that's perhaps as shocking...

Egypt just saw what happened in Tunis, got the idea that it might work for them and started camping outside until everyone thought it was going to happen again, and then the powers that be jumped in to look like they were finishing up, when they were actually just taking the argument into the back rooms.

(I liked what Robert Fisk said is happening, that all the generals are fighting over ministry appointments, haha)
 
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StickyShisha2

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the Wall Street Journal implies that marijuana is involved in starting this revolt.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704081604576144043251690026.html?KEYWORDS=Small+Voices

Khaled Said, a 28-year-old businessman from Alexandria who had the temerity to post on the Internet a video of Egyptian policemen stealing marijuana after a drug bust. After doing so, he was grabbed by police officers at a cafe, dragged outside and beaten to death. When photos of his beaten body began spreading on the Internet, he became an inspiration for revolution.
 
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stuartambient

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VWFringe said:
stuartambient said:
here is the real reason Mubarak is out http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48156
sorry i see nothing miraculous or momentous or freedom ringing here . few front groups organizing some mkultraized children.
Just stating my own perspective.
SA
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Here's another take, that's perhaps as shocking...

Egypt just saw what happened in Tunis, got the idea that it might work for them and started camping outside until everyone thought it was going to happen again, and then the powers that be jumped in to look like they were finishing up, when they were actually just taking the argument into the back rooms.

(I liked what Robert Fisk said is happening, that all the generals are fighting over ministry appointments, haha)
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Constitution suspended, ruled by military counsels. Sounds like a good outcome.
They need that Cleopatra back again.

SA
 
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stuartambient

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VWFringe said:
Madison deserves it's own thread, don'cha agree? WOW!
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True, sorry, I'm a loose canon :lol:
but seriously there was a headline today something like Egypt comes to Madison.

SA
 
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lwien

lwien

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Libya is going down. Real domino affect going on. The whole middle east could be affected by this, and if so, the implications go far beyond the boarders of the middle east, and what is truly amazing is that this all started with a fruit vendor in Tunisia who just wanted his scale back which just goes to prove that the actions of one man can forever change the world.
 
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stuartambient

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lwien said:
Libya is going down. Real domino affect going on. The whole middle east could be affected by this, and if so, the implications go far beyond the boarders of the middle east, and what is truly amazing is that this all started with a fruit vendor in Tunisia who just wanted his scale back which just goes to prove that the actions of one man can forever change the world.
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I love mythology as well.:uhoh:
 
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stuartambient

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lwien said:
stuartambient said:
I love mythology as well.:uhoh:
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Mythology? Do you believe that what happened in Tunisia was the catalyst for what happened in Egypt and what is currently happening in Libya and that what happened in Tunisia was sparked by this vendor setting himself on fire ?

Check this out: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7357188n&tag=contentMain;contentBody
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i had to watch a Lipitor ad. "He just wanted to make his $10 a day". (they are paid in dollars ?). So a fairly young guy , who seems hard working loses it so bad to do that. Well I can understand it. I'm still not buying it completely. I was trying to say earlier is that real issues and history are often wrapped in the supernatural and mythology , which for some people is easier to swallow. For instance, how rulers down through the ages claim some kind of direct lineage to a powerful god.

however , to me , this middle east thing, it's been brought about through a number of various operations, including economic and civil strife, cooked over a long period of time. It gives me a feeling of not being real even though real people are very much caught up in it (not all). I think these people maybe in far greater danger and despair now then they were before and will be even more so as this whole thing unfolds.

No one heard that one about the muslim and jews setup to wipe both themselves out in world war 3 ? Not a joke, from an article , at least 10 years since I read it.

Peace
SA
 
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VWFringe

VWFringe

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hell, yeah, Iwein! add Khaddafi to the list, huh? i was gonna post that here too.

I heard in Libya the riots started with the arrest of a human rights lawyer who had proved a case against the state head of security, and the government...he was helping the victims of the families of a few hundred men who were massacred in a prison riot years ago, which the government never wanted to admit.

their head of security came in and negotiated with the men in the prison who had taken two guards hostage and riots started, so anyway he said, well let us take your wounded out for medical attention, they were bussed away and never heard from again, then the prisoners were forced into the center and snipers shot them for two hours...the only survivors were by chance in the kitchen, and people who were working near the kitchen.

that lawyer is a hero to the Libian people.


Khaddafi may have left the country

that's good, that's good, that's gooood!
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who;s next?
 
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