TinyMight / TM 2

Thankfully a freshly charged battery seems to have solved my heating problem. although I was getting three haptic buzzes from my TM which I thought meant a reasonably charged battery, it wasn't performing as it should. After replacing the battery my heat up time on level 6 on demand was back to 5 seconds for the first draw and 3 seconds for each thereafter. There was a noticeable increase in temp as well. If I take a longer 10-15 pull on level 6 with a fresh battery I can feel some heat building up by the end of the pull which is enough to make me cough slightly. when I was raising the depleting battery to level 8 it never seemed to get hot enough to fully extract the herb. I think I have to revisit the instructions . am I wrong in thinking that as the battery level decreases the initial number of haptic feedback buzzes also decreases ( 4,3,2...) on the start up ? either way it's good to know it was just a low level battery. Tm is working as good as ever.

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VapeKnight said:

I wrong in thinking that as the battery level decreases the initial number of haptic feedback buzzes also decreases ( 4,3,2...) on the start up ? either way it's good to know it was just a low level battery.

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I think this is correct - decreasing buzzes as battery life diminishes. I’m using on-demand mode mostly and need to pay more attention to the number of buzzes right after it’s turned on (3 rapid presses).

I’m now wondering whether my Nitecores charge these batteries well enough. Need to research this a bit. Let the honeymoon continue...

Vaporific said:

I think this is correct - decreasing buzzes as battery life diminishes. I’m using on-demand mode mostly and need to pay more attention to the number of buzzes right after it’s turned on (3 rapid presses).

I’m now wondering whether my Nitecores charge these batteries well enough. Need to research this a bit. Let the honeymoon continue...

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All I use is a analog Nitecore....either 1am or .5 am charges. It will either charge...or not charge. Your limiting factor could be on cell type and condition of cell. This vape requires a big amp draw....so some sells just will not allow use if they can not handle the bigger amp draw needed.

...and could be dangerous.

TommyDee said:

...and could be dangerous.

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What are you talking about?

Under-rated Li-ion cells can overheat.

Well, finally bit the bullet and ordered from Finland. Order #459. Hope to have it by Xmas.

VapeKnight said:

Thankfully a freshly charged battery seems to have solved my heating problem. although I was getting three haptic buzzes from my TM which I thought meant a reasonably charged battery, it wasn't performing as it should.

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I think I have to revisit the instructions . am I wrong in thinking that as the battery level decreases the initial number of haptic feedback buzzes also decreases ( 4,3,2...) on the start up ? either way it's good to know it was just a low level battery. Tm is working as good as ever.

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Three buzzes can mean three things:

• Charge is at level three (3x regular buzz)
  
• Battery is struggling (3x short buzz)
• Safety mode (dial at „0“, 3x short buzz)

I get the three short buzzes when my battery is going *empty* (either when booting *after* the initial (one) buzz indicating the charge or during a session).

FWIW I feel like I typically get four buzzes mostly or two buzzes when really low, I don't really notice that there are ever just three buzzes for me? I typically count when I turn it on, but certainly possible I've been missing it...

Shit Snacks said:

FWIW I feel like I typically get four buzzes mostly or two buzzes when really low, I don't really notice that there are ever just three buzzes for me?

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There's definitely a level three indicated by 3 buzzes, I usually get there after two or three sessions.

I have a little difficulty counting the buzzes, because they happen pretty quickly. I have to pay really close attention, and sometimes I’m still not sure.

I have a similar issue with button clicks. It seems like either I’m incapable of clicking fast enough, or maybe it just doesn’t recognize the first click. It’s not a big deal though, as I just always click 4-5 times. Works for me. Funny thing is on the rare occasions I want to use session mode, holding the 3rd click, it always works. Go figure.

EDIT; Hmmm, maybe I’m clicking so fast, the button isn’t actually making contact at times.

Siebter said:

There's definitely a level three indicated by 3 buzzes, I usually get there after two or three sessions.

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I'm sure, I'm just saying I honestly don't think I ever notice it, I often notice four or two though

RelaxedNow said:

I have a similar issue with button clicks. It seems like either I’m incapable of clicking fast enough, or maybe it just doesn’t recognize the first click. It’s not a big deal though, as I just always click 4-5 times. Works for me. Funny thing is on the rare occasions I want to use session mode, holding the 3rd click, it always works. Go figure.

EDIT; Hmmm, maybe I’m clicking so fast, the button isn’t actually making contact at times.

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I think once it clicks, it has contact – but honestly, often I also just click away without counting until it's booting up. :-)

Shit Snacks said:

I'm sure, I'm just saying I honestly don't think I ever notice it, I often notice four or two though

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I think even events are easier to count than uneven, at least for me. I see many reports of TM users who are struggling with counting either the buzzes or the clicks.

buzz buzz buzz buzz..........buzz...pufffffffffffff............o yea

Siebter said:

I think once it clicks, it has contact – but honestly, often I also just click away without counting until it's booting up. :-)



I think even events are easier to count than uneven, at least for me. I see many reports of TM users who are struggling with counting either the buzzes or the clicks.

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Well I don't ever have an issue turning it on other than when the dial is set to 1 lol

@Vaporific
My XTAR VP4 Dragon takes a few hours (I haven't timed it) to charge cells but I always knock the charging current down to 0.5A to be nice to the cells. I can charge at 1A for up to 4 cells or 2A if I'm only using 2 of the 4 slots but I usually take the low and slow approach. Not a lot of chargers charge at 2A and of the ones that do not all of those do it while without producing a lot of heat. I baby my stuff though so I'm definitely on the conservative side of the fence for battery charging.

Both your chargers are on the slower side from a quick read of Mooch's reviews.
https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review Charger Nitecore Intellicharger new i2b 2016 UK.html
https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review Charger Nitecore Digicharger D2 UK.html
I skimmed but the D2 may do better with one cell. Double check that though. They're both good chargers and if I was you I would be more inclined to pick up more cells and keep the same charger.


@TommyDee
Since this isn't an unregulated mod the programming of the Tinymight should prevent any of us from ever getting into a situation where a cell is being drained beyond its rated output. I don't know the exact specifications the maker has programmed into the device but reports of some cells not even firing reinforce this even more for me. I tried a couple of my new Molicel 26A's recently and they worked like a charm. The 400mA loss of current probably affected draw count but I wasn't at all paying attention so I can't say how much of decrease it resulted in. I drained them to the point where the device wouldn't fire and there was no decrease in performance. They're a higher drain battery then the VTC6's though so I wouldn't have expected anything less.

I'm looking forward to testing these characteristics when I get my TM @SquirrelMaster

@TommyDee
I love testing, it give me a reason to vape more . Even if I had someone else do the testing it's still fun for me. I nerd out on stuff like that. Today is day 10 of a break (sickness) and I can't wait to vape again. My Tinymight is the only vape I truly miss.

I'm looking to find out how well regulated the TM is during the charge cycle. Does the current increase as the peak burns off type of thing. Then the general safety aspect of battery being cut off at <fill in the blank> voltage - during firing. Never an end to reverse engineering a device with so many nuances.

TommyDee said:

Then the general safety aspect of battery being cut off at <fill in the blank> voltage - during firing.

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„Firing“ means „pulsing“ here. Remember the TM also has a session mode, so the voltage won't drop endlessly when the heater is engaged.

I also like to add that the TM charges with 2A – and I don't think that's a problem at all for the cells we use. Specs allow up to 5 or 6A, not quite sure and too lazy to look it up, but 2A is definitely safe.

SquirrelMaster said:

@Vaporific
My XTAR VP4 Dragon takes a few hours (I haven't timed it) to charge cells but I always knock the charging current down to 0.5A to be nice to the cells. I can charge at 1A for up to 4 cells or 2A if I'm only using 2 of the 4 slots but I usually take the low and slow approach. Not a lot of chargers charge at 2A and of the ones that do not all of those do it while without producing a lot of heat. I baby my stuff though so I'm definitely on the conservative side of the fence for battery charging.

Both your chargers are on the slower side from a quick read of Mooch's reviews.
https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review Charger Nitecore Intellicharger new i2b 2016 UK.html
https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review Charger Nitecore Digicharger D2 UK.html
I skimmed but the D2 may do better with one cell. Double check that though. They're both good chargers and if I was you I would be more inclined to pick up more cells and keep the same charger.

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Thanks! Yeah, it took a bit longer charging two cells in the D2 than it did one battery in the same charger. I already received my backup Sony VTC6s and using one of them for the first time now (it’s in the TM which I’ll be visiting soon along with my morning coffee).

I’ll stand pat for now with external chargers. As for the TM, it hits wonderfully hard and I’ve been clearing loads in two ‘sessions’, a couple of nice vaporous draws on 6 and then finishing a couple more less vaporous pulls on 6.5 - 7.5 depending how I feel. Even final extraction without much vapor you still feel the effects fairly well. I’m using the dome screen again to keep the stem & CU cleaner and the stem will need a cleaning soon. I haven’t taken apart the CU yet other than an initial soaking prior to use. That will be a little fun (I’ve seen the early pics herein).

Definitely the first couple of draws with a fresh load are the best. I’m trying to get more vapor out of the remaining load which is a bit trying. I’m not a cloud chaser by any stretch but it would be nice to get some vapor on the backend. And I’m trying to keep the load size about the same as a control (not measured but not moving the CU & changing the size of the herb chamber). More ‘testing’ is needed but the TM is so smooth and cool regardless!

I have read 70% of that thread, damn now I need a TM like crazy ! I think it would be a nice addition to my dynavap

SquirrelMaster said:

Since this isn't an unregulated mod the programming of the Tinymight should prevent any of us from ever getting into a situation where a cell is being drained beyond its rated output. I don't know the exact specifications the maker has programmed into the device but reports of some cells not even firing reinforce this even more for me. I tried a couple of my new Molicel 26A's recently and they worked like a charm. The 400mA loss of current probably affected draw count but I wasn't at all paying attention so I can't say how much of decrease it resulted in. I drained them to the point where the device wouldn't fire and there was no decrease in performance. They're a higher drain battery then the VTC6's though so I wouldn't have expected anything less.

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If the cell is old or pulling more amps then it can handle the voltage will drop like crazy and a regulated mod will not fire.

Can't say if the TM is doing this, but it is how a regulated mod works. Mods will also not fire if it can't reach the required voltage demand, some will just drop the wattage, but some will also not fire completely.

Gotta watch out for those fake batteries too, just cause that's what you bought and what it looks like does not mean that's what it is. I remember their was an epidemic of popular batteries being faked a couple years back.

Edit: Also, I looked into it more. If the circuity is 90% efficient at 70w it would be pulling 26a according to this calculator. (oh shit looked into it further and appears the website is calculating the amp draw with battery at 3v to try and sell you higher amp batteries or something, at 3.7v nominal it would only draw 21w at 90% efficiency)

https://liionwholesale.com/pages/regulated-mod-calculator

Mooch the battery guru who does independent testing on cells rate VTC6 at 15a/20a

https://www.facebook.com/batterymoo...tastic-15a20a-batterybottom/2018639535092289/

"But this is not a high performance “power” cell, designed for high current. It is a high capacity “energy” cell designed for low to moderate power levels and long running time. At higher current levels the voltage sag and power loss in the cell are huge. Do not exceed 20A." - Mooch

Edit: Also I gotta mention, just cause it maybe safer does not mean it is safe. I don't risk it and only run batteries at higher amps than I plan on using.

Also, i'm sure TM did their homework and knows it's okay to use, but it's also nice to do your own homework sometimes.

just wondering: is there anyone here who has an xl8r (or rbt short-) stem that is a confirmed fit for the tinymight & willing to sell it to me (i am in germany?). i talked to vapefiend re this, they would normally help finding one that fits (since they sell the tm as well), but currently feel unable to do since they too are swamped with work in the midst of this crisis right now.
any help is much appreciated!