Volcano Hybrid

WakeVape&Bake said:

in fact i am thinking about selling my Mighty because of the heatup, it is so slow to heatup after using the Hybrid...and i think there will be a Mighty+ next year

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Seconded, but I wonder if the alleged new Mighty was being developed to use app-exclusive features. Something like that could cause the release of it to be seriously delayed, or anything else S&B might have in the works for that matter.

All I know is that the Crafty+ launch has been rocky to say the least. Between the no loading tool, grinder, and brush decisions made by the company that have not been well received, now many potential buyers have no app due to circumstances beyond the company's control. Storz and Bickel developed the app initially and specifically for the Crafty. It needs that app much more than the Hybrid because there is no way to set temperatures without it.

This has got to be crippling sales of that device during a crucial time, and that alone could make the company hesitant to release another portable vape, especially another, "improved" portable vape.

btka said:

Look at the heating element of grasshopper it reaches temp in 3 seconds and is small... no aluminium... to be honest you can like hopper labs or not but they were the only one inventing something new...
If they only would recognize there big potential with rhis heating element... I also get bigger and tastier cloud with grasshopper... imagine a grasshopper.heating element and a small aur pump and small size... nothing against s&b but they really slept the last years... they had put money on a heating element which is small (do not think they make their heating elements by them self like the airpump the source and buy from outside... I understand vape critics frustration... and btw I also have bought a hybrid but I realize and accept what it us and not praising because of buyers remorse or cognitive disonance... also there portable vapes are not worth the money crafty ... mighty... at the end they could at least had implement to control the airpump and how much air it is pumping out so your bag is not half of hot air... I think there are vapes like grasshopper ... flowerpot when you could add a air pump they will outperform the volcano... In my opinion the volcano hybrid is a good vaporizer also effect wise but not really worth the money when comparing wirh other and I think they would have the funds to come up with better inventions then they did... and be the king of vapes again but in my opinion they did not... imagine workflow options where the heater reaches temps in 2 or 3 seconds (grasshopper heating element can do this)... I am dissapointed because I knew there is more place for improovments... then adding a metall ring to the bowl for conduction and a heater which heats faster... and that makes me angry ... as said the only one company which improoved the vaporizer market in the last years is grasshopper...

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I actually appreciate the abstract comparison between the portable and desktop, especially if you actually bought a brand new Hybrid and genuinely feel the GH is better, it's certainly a new perspective in this thread and I'm a bit of a contrarian myself so you've colored me curious!

Honestly if the Grasshopper was as reliable as the Volcano, Canopy Growth would have probably purchased THEM! Certainly there are aspects which GH is very poor at (like staying on all week?) but it's true that actual innovation is relatively stagnant in this industry, though realistically S&B is no more guilty than Arizer, VXL, 7th Floor, Vapor Brothers, or any other "household names" in this industry.

I do have to point out though, if you think the Hybrid is a mellow update, consider what the Volcano Digit brought to the table as the successor to the Classic... from that perspective the Hybrid is actually a pretty considerable upgrade!

@btka I am curious, didn't you recently mention that you had went back to combusting and were considering this particular vape because the original Classic converted you over from smoking? I'm just wondering what you feel is missing in the Hybrid now if the Classic was able to help you transition some years ago? Do you actually find smoking to be smoother and tastier than the Volcano? Or is it dense vapor clouds that you're looking for over everything else?

Folks are asking for variable fan speed, different heat exchanger, etc. What they aren’t considering is the volcano was built to be an appliance. It’s simple to use and produces a consistent vapor regardless of ambient temperature. There is no learning curve. Thus most customers are happy with the experience.

Maybe I'm missing it, but it does appear that S&B provides absolutely no user manual or instructions for the app (maybe they are in the app but that's not enough FFS).

It doesn't look complicated to set up work flows and manage iterations. I suppose I will ferret it out.

But there are a LOT of people, who are no tech savvy and who would very much appreciate PRINTED FUCKING INSTRUCTIONS for the app.

I mean, they published that telephone book of a user manual in it and it has shit all about the app. It references you to a page on their website where you would expect to find....well, yes...instructions on using the app. But you (and I) would be wrong.

It just takes you to a top level marketing type BS page about apps.

That's just sad, IMO.

elmomuzz said:

Folks are asking for variable fan speed, different heat exchanger, etc. What they aren’t considering is the volcano was built to be an appliance. It’s simple to use and produces a consistent vapor regardless of ambient temperature. There is no learning curve. Thus most customers are happy with the experience.

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that is why i call S&B´s vaporizers "the Apple of vaporisation". the devices are basically self explanatory.

silverharbinger said:

Seconded, but I wonder if the alleged new Mighty was being developed to use app-exclusive features. Something like that could cause the release of it to be seriously delayed, or anything else S&B might have in the works for that matter.

All I know is that the Crafty+ launch has been rocky to say the least. Between the no loading tool, grinder, and brush decisions made by the company that have not been well received, now many potential buyers have no app due to circumstances beyond the company's control. Storz and Bickel developed the app initially and specifically for the Crafty. It needs that app much more than the Hybrid because there is no way to set temperatures without it.

This has got to be crippling sales of that device during a crucial time, and that alone could make the company hesitant to release another portable vape, especially another, "improved" portable vape.

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i think sometime in 2020 a new Mighty will appear, regardless of the app situation. for the Mighty an app would also be a comfort function and not necessarily mandatory.

Ok, so I found it easy to use the work flow functions even though they are not very sophisticated in the app.

What I mean by that, is that...yes...you can edit an existing work flow but can't change the mode of an existing tasks and if you want to add a task, it will only appear at the end. You cannot insert a task into the middle of a work flow...at least that I have found.

So, its easier to just build a new work flow and that is indeed easy. I'm surprised that S&B doesn't give any guidance on the max number of "pump" seconds in a work flow so as to not exceed the capacity of their standard bag. Yes, I do understand that people will make party bags, but maybe that needs to be a customization....standard bag (and hence this max number of pump seconds total in the work flow) or custom (max time not applicable). My first work flow had 40 seconds of pump time total and that was a bit too much. I have cut it to 35 seconds which should work....if not, I will drop another five seconds.

But they could have at least provided some guidance on this in the printed material (as if they addressed any thing about the app in the printed manual..sigh).

What I cannot understand is the use of "iterations" and the default ones provided don't seem very illuminate to me. I mean, I get it that you can set up a cycle and run it for a fixed length of time....but for what? For an aroma cup use or...???

I don't see the utility, myself.

Anybody got any better insight into "iterations"???

Baron23 said:

My first work flow had 40 seconds of pump time total and that was a bit too much. I have cut it to 35 seconds which should work....if not, I will drop another five seconds.

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That should be bang on, I find a 35 second Workflow just right, though a couple times the bag is "singing" and I get ready for the pop. Hasn't happened yet though. As for Iterations, I haven't played with them at all yet.

Nolan Kinshella said:

That should be bang on, I find a 35 second Workflow just right, though a couple times the bag is "singing" and I get ready for the pop. Hasn't happened yet though. As for Iterations, I haven't played with them at all yet.

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yeah, it definitely takes some experience to know when the bag will pop...my first ever bag i filled with a Volcano popped, since then i take more caution when filling a bag :-)

on a side note, i urge everyone to do a session with the whip and the pump on...quite the experience lol

I recently picked up a hybrid. I had a few herbalizers previously. I should have bought a hybrid sooner. It extracts a lot better, it's smoother, and it does low temps very well. The whip system is a lot better too. I always found with the herbalizer the bowl would screw off and weed could potentially go everywhere if the fan was on. If anyone is on the fence. Buy it, you won't regret it.

I've owned a lot of vapes, portable and desktop, low/mid and high end. The hybrid definitely has first place.

My Obsidian from Magma let me take HUGE CLOUDY rips at 446 without any heat issues. I’ve had it for at least a month and I can definitely tell the difference from when I have it on and when I’m not using it. I really love it!

Interesting, I've forgotten about bags long enough for the housing to deform and never had a bag pop

@Baron23
You re-arrange items in your workflow, when in edit touch and hold an item and then drag it where you want it.

I think iterations would be used with the whip only.

[QUOTE = "key_investment, post: 1426881, membro: 46811"] Di recente ho scelto un ibrido. Ho avuto alcuni erboristi in precedenza. Avrei dovuto comprare un ibrido prima. Estrae molto meglio, è più liscio e fa molto bene le basse temperature. Anche il sistema a frusta è molto meglio. Ho sempre trovato con l'erboristeria che la ciotola si chiudeva e l'erba poteva potenzialmente andare ovunque se la ventola fosse accesa. Se qualcuno è sul recinto. Compralo, non te ne pentirai.

Ho posseduto molti vaporizzatori, portatili e desktop, di fascia medio / alta e alta. L'ibrido ha sicuramente il primo posto. [/ QUOTE]

IDEM!

SquirrelMaster said:

@Baron23
You re-arrange items in your workflow, when in edit touch and hold an item and then drag it where you want it.

I think iterations would be used with the whip only.

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Thanks. I thought I tried that but probably didn’t do it right.

Thanks for the tip!

Question for hybrid users who used to use a classic :

Other than heat-up time and app-control, what are the differences?

is it a whole new redesigned heating element / made from better/stronger materials?

If i setup 1 brand new classic and 1 brand new hyrbrid would one experience difference in the flavor?

Reason i ask is im currently looking for justification to upgrade my classic

I saw on POTV Black Friday deals round up page, that Vaposhop EU will offer 20% off Storz and Bickel vaporizers this weekend.
So it might also be looking good for rest of world if you're hoping to snatch a Hybrid deal.
The S&B website have also been generous with 20% off the last couple of Black Fridays.
I might sell my Digit for a Hybrid on 4/20.

MegaMan2k said:

Question for hybrid users who used to use a classic :

Other than heat-up time and app-control, what are the differences?

is it a whole new redesigned heating element / made from better/stronger materials?

If i setup 1 brand new classic and 1 brand new hyrbrid would one experience difference in the flavor?

Reason i ask is im currently looking for justification to upgrade my classic

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I don't own a Hybrid, but I know that a whip can be slightly stronger than bags.
And it is a completely new heat exchanger with increased airflow for the whip, spiral heater airpath instead of plain old drilled holes, and huge watts (obviously with much smarter temperature control algorithm) to keep up with any drawspeed.
Then they added conduction for fuller extraction with probably increased radiation also. So the bags are probably stronger.
And the new system has been designed with the reducer and capsules in mind.

The ability to blow bags for a few seconds at varying temperatures sounds interesting too but I don't know that it makes things even better.

MegaMan2k said:

Question for hybrid users who used to use a classic :

Other than heat-up time and app-control, what are the differences?

is it a whole new redesigned heating element / made from better/stronger materials?

If i setup 1 brand new classic and 1 brand new hyrbrid would one experience difference in the flavor?

Reason i ask is im currently looking for justification to upgrade my classic

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This is a great comparison of the differences
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MniJ5kUS61TMxp_1djR1gnpwqhkzkuCw?usp=sharing

sounds like some cool stuff, always have love for s&b but
I dont know what i was expecting, personally i dont think these changes is going to merit the upgrade in my book + I hate whips so that didnt really turn my head neither ;D

Going to sit this one out by the looks of it so far, / still want to buy it just to have it lol

MegaMan2k said:

sounds like some cool stuff, always have love for s&b but
I dont know what i was expecting, personally i dont think these changes is going to merit the upgrade in my book + I hate whips so that didnt really turn my head neither ;D

Going to sit this one out by the looks of it so far, / still want to buy it just to have it lol

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the biggest update for me is the workflow where you can use different temps to fill one bag... (think you want not achieve this with the classic, because heater is not as fast)... so to be honest if you have the classic and do not need whip, I would not recommend the hybrid... it is not worth the extra money...

at the moment I think about selling my hybrid... I imagine which other vapes I could buy with this money

btka said:

at the moment I think about selling my hybrid... I imagine which other vapes I could buy with this money

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What would you get?

invertedisdead said:

@btka I am curious, didn't you recently mention that you had went back to combusting and were considering this particular vape because the original Classic converted you over from smoking? I'm just wondering what you feel is missing in the Hybrid now if the Classic was able to help you transition some years ago? Do you actually find smoking to be smoother and tastier than the Volcano? Or is it dense vapor clouds that you're looking for over everything else?

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Yes that is true... I liked the classic because from the ritual side (smoking a j.) and also no draw resistence it was helping me to stop combustion (also I think the high price point was motivating me to not smoke)... but to be honest I sold it fast... after I purchased an e-nano... which was much more conserving my herb, bigger clouds and better taste and also pretty good at simulating smoking...

There is nothing missing in the hybrid... only my expectations I think changed a lot since I owned the classic and owning a lot of other vaporizers was important for this...

I do not find smoking smoother (it is not) and better tasting also of course not... It is more the ritual of smoking a j. and big clouds which I am missing in vaporization... also I hate that akward drawing (duration) with a lot of vapes... as said I am always comparing how good a vaporizer can immitate smoking a j. for me...

Also I find the taste of volcano not as good as other vapes... the vapor is harsh at higher temps... maybe you can get big clouds but it will be to harsh...

I did not say they have to implement a laser heating high tech heater...

but I am sure if you could add a pump to the gh heater it will blow same or even better bags then cano...
so the heat element in the cano is for me not up to date... with a smaller heater also they maybe would be able to make the cano smaller (to be honest it is not a design beauty you want to put on your desk all day long (especially when not using it, it is big and clumpsy to sotre away...)... also workflow mode would also be better with a gh like heating element which only needs 3 to 4 sec to reach temp...and if someone will now tell me gh is a portable, I bet the heating element of gh is stronger then volcano.. they maybe could have invested in r&d for a not so loud airpump and maybe also smaller... also regarding heating element I am not a big fan of alumiium... maybe new bags which also cool the vapor when inhaling... airpump which you can make faster or slower. so at the end intergrating bluetooth, a bit of conduction, a touch screen, a heating element which is a faster then the previous used once, but not as fast as for example grasshopper heater is for me not a huge improovement...

But I think storz and bickel was never really into real innovations... I think they also did not invent bag vaporizing... If I am not wrong there was before heat guns used as vaporizers to blow bags... they just put it in a better looking form and maybe made out of saver materials... I also was very disappointed when they come out with their portable vapes (which was also really no innovation (as far as I can judge the heating element is a resistor (which also was used for years in log vapes)... For me all of that is not worth the price of this thing... to be honest...

At the end I fucked combustion again...
I am now more experimenting with concentrates especially rosin...

invertedisdead said:

What would you get?

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I thinking about the huni badger nectar collector... maybe a ghost (because it is only 125$) (was not very interessted in it from start ... too much plastic ... big and ugly and so on...) but for the price I am thinking about the ghost ...
an e-nano... I have a flowerpot already...

I could easily buy a huni badger, a ghost, an e-nano and maybe also a fourth vape for the price of the hybrid...

For those who feel F'd up the ass by S&B pricing, at least they used a condom

ChooChooCharlie said:

For those who feel F'd up the ass by S&B pricing, at least they used a condom

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for their prices, they could have at least splurged on a pre-lubed condom.
Takin it dry from S & B

Is the US version of the Volcano Hybrid

120v only or is it dual voltage switchable 120v/220v. Hope one of the owners can confirm

My classic havnt taken "that" much beating /not too old, around 2014, used daily for 400-500 days, other than that its been on the shelf- My philosophy usual is to use some thing up till its no more before i replace it, its just not the case with my classic yet,
even "worse" for s&b im hearing testimonies from people saying theyve been getting daily use out of it for 10 years etc.

My worry would be ; Even if its still going, after how many years does the aluminum or any other materials start to leach into the vape etc ?