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invertedisdead

invertedisdead

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My experience with mesh pads in a concentrate application is they taste like reclaim. What you want is a sealed floor crucible cup that is heated from the bottom AND sides, can operate flawlessly in temp control mode, and cab be swabbed clean after a session.
 
kuzko

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RastaBuddhaTao said:
It went through so hard core abuse and held up well. I spoke with the manufacture today and in production there are things that can be done to clean-up the edge treatment and make it more durable.

It runs at around 40 watts and you can do burn-offs at 70 with no damage to the heater. I think it has promise so I am eager to hear what @otherside thinks
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Sounds awesome, can’t wait to hear early reviews from beta testers as well.
 
RastaBuddhaTao

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@invertedisdead agreed ceramic is best for purity. The initial prototype did have a hint of flavor degradation. However, this latest prototype added the wick material sandwiched between two heater layers which has improved the taste.

I believe that the improvement flavor is the result of the increased surface area. It will probably never reach the purity of ceramic but if it comes close then the other benefits start to make it a more attractive offering overall.

@kuzko I am eager to see what the pro's think too... starting with @Other Side in just a few days.
 
invertedisdead

invertedisdead

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RastaBuddhaTao said:
I believe that the improvement flavor is the result of the increased surface area. It will probably never reach the purity of ceramic but if it comes close then the other benefits start to make it a more attractive offering overall.
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Yes surface area helps to a degree in allowing lower temperatures to be used to vaporize the extract.

Have you tried incorporating your mesh heaters around a quartz cup?
 
RastaBuddhaTao

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invertedisdead said:
Yes surface area helps to a degree in allowing lower temperatures to be used to vaporize the extract.

Have you tried incorporating your mesh heaters around a quartz cup?
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I have not as it takes a long time to heat. If @RastaBuddhaTao uses ceramic technology I would insert mold the heater. This is a 2020 project as it will take a fair amount of R&D. In 2012 I worked on a NiNa battery at GE that ran at 350 C and used a beta alumina anode / cathode barrier. The supplier that made the ceramics is a good friend of mine so I have a good partner to work with on prototyping.

For this year, it's SS mesh's chance to glow :)
 
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Initial use from the Master Beta test shows much improvement over the prior unit. With that said, it is not quite an par with ceramic. There are design changes in material, geometry, physical make-up and treatments that can be employed to further improve flavor. That said, the ease of loading, ease of cleaning, replaceable heater, and the on-demand wattage controlled monster rips are all value that is weighed against the flavor loss.

Provided good test results in coming weeks, improvements will be made and a small Beta fleet will be evaluated by a larger group of folks. This will allow for additional learning as well as predict if there is enough demand for a released product.

Thanks to @invertedisdead and @Other Side feedback, ceramic technology will be investigated towards the end of the year.

Thanks to all who practical provide customer feedback that allows @RastaBuddhaTao to innovate in the right direction.
 
szai

szai

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RastaBuddhaTao said:
Initial use from the Master Beta test shows much improvement over the prior unit. With that said, it is not quite an par with ceramic. There are design changes in material, geometry, physical make-up and treatments that can be employed to further improve flavor. That said, the ease of loading, ease of cleaning, replaceable heater, and the on-demand wattage controlled monster rips are all value that is weighed against the flavor loss.

Provided good test results in coming weeks, improvements will be made and a small Beta fleet will be evaluated by a larger group of folks. This will allow for additional learning as well as predict if there is enough demand for a released product.

Thanks to @invertedisdead and @Other Side feedback, ceramic technology will be investigated towards the end of the year.

Thanks to all who practical provide customer feedback that allows @RastaBuddhaTao to innovate in the right direction.
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Would the ceramic work better with pressed hash? What about some sort of removable ceramic dish/wick insert.
 
szai,
RastaBuddhaTao

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Yup @szia that is similar to @invertedisdead thought. The issue is the ceramic is an insulator so it takes time to heat up. Once the metal "on-demand" heater is optimized and tested we can evaluate it against a ceramic solution. Remember, this isn't your standard Wire wrapped ceramic wick... time will tell of this new tech's full potential and I am luck enough to have a group of expert testers that always lead me in the right direction.

Truth be told, I have very limited knowledge and experience and the Beta teams steer the development process. @Other Side is far better equipped to answer questions as he is currently educating me lol.

If anyone has any wisdom with improving the flavor of an all SS heater / wick let's hear it!

It seems that maximizing surface are and wick thickness seem to make big improvements. The other issue that seems to play a factor is uniform temperature distribution. This requires that the speed of the heat-up be balanced with minimizing the temperature gradient. I am confident that with the expert feedback ahead (@IAmKrazy2 has great taste buds) the tech will achieve a near ceramic flavor along side of many benefits.
 
szai

szai

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RastaBuddhaTao said:
Yup @szia that is similar to @invertedisdead thought. The issue is the ceramic is an insulator so it takes time to heat up. Once the metal "on-demand" heater is optimized and tested we can evaluate it against a ceramic solution. Remember, this isn't your standard Wire wrapped ceramic wick... time will tell of this new tech's full potential and I am luck enough to have a group of expert testers that always lead me in the right direction.

Truth be told, I have very limited knowledge and experience and the Beta teams steer the development process. @Other Side is far better equipped to answer questions as he is currently educating me lol.

If anyone has any wisdom with improving the flavor of an all SS heater / wick let's hear it!

It seems that maximizing surface are and wick thickness seem to make big improvements. The other issue that seems to play a factor is uniform temperature distribution. This requires that the speed of the heat-up be balanced with minimizing the temperature gradient. I am confident that with the expert feedback ahead (@IAmKrazy2 has great taste buds) the tech will achieve a near ceramic flavor along side of many benefits.
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Maybe a fitted drop in SS bowl could be used for the pressed hash? I've been thinking about how to make something that would work to increase surface of the pressed hash. Maybe some of morter and pestle inspired bowl design might work? I wish I could fabricate things myself to experiment. I guess I should get learning then!
 
szai,
invertedisdead

invertedisdead

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RastaBuddhaTao said:
It seems that maximizing surface are and wick thickness seem to make big improvements. The other issue that seems to play a factor is uniform temperature distribution. This requires that the speed of the heat-up be balanced with minimizing the temperature gradient.
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Surface area is a good thing with concentrates, but since everyone does different sized dabs, you just gotta be mindful of dry hits when dealing with a lot of surface area.
 
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kuzko

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Not sure if this makes any sense for help with the flavor but maybe installing a carbon filter in the mouthpiece or somewhere above the heater?
 
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kuzko

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Sorry for the double-post but it has been so long and I actually have an update to provide.

Was watching Ryan stream on IG the other day and started chatting about the Sliver. He said that while there hasn’t been much development on it lately that it is still on his mind and he’s thinking of ways to make it work.

His biggest concern seemed to be the fact that the user it dabbing directly off the hot metal and also high temp vs. low temp.

I mentioned somehow incorporating quartz but who knows? It’s like creating a wax atomizer from scratch with glass and wood.
 
antispleen

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Time to lively up this thread. My rbt sliver beta arrives today. Game on my friends

*Edit-

Ok I'm back. And I can't really think straight so I'm gonna leave these here. It's the same video, the Instagram version is sped up in case you only have a minute, and YouTube seems to have absolutely butchered the quality of it over there but it's the regular speed. More testing to come

*Edit no. 2- (forgot the links haha)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsQ3TwWgwFd/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=8atjwibjm1ux


 
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Shit Snacks

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Well apparently I am on the beta team for this one! Been a while, will need to pick up some concentrate... Don't need another mod so hopefully the Cuboid Mini will suffice, while my Splinters occupy my larger wismec mods
 
kuzko

kuzko

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Anyways, I’ve been waiting for the Sliver to drop, Hope to grab one from Vgoodiez. Apparently it can now double as a Dynavap VapCap heater.
 
Shit Snacks

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
kuzko said:
Anyways, I’ve been waiting for the Sliver to drop, Hope to grab one from Vgoodiez. Apparently it can now double as a Dynavap VapCap heater.
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Ah if I can figure that out it may have me using my VapCapOG more! Vgoodiez service is outstanding, insanely fast, very hands on, great way to be buy my Splinter and I'm sure great for the Sliver! Will be fun to get some more pre orders in on the beta fun... And always a treat to see you back here @RastaBuddhaTao! Now get back to the lab and finish that crazy 24mm driftwood 1gram slammer :whip:
 
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