The Firefly 2 vaporizer

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Baron23

Baron23

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mitchgo61 said:
Oh I agree....that's exactly what happened. But he's the Vape Critic. We know his reviews are his opinion, based on his experience, not fact. If I want feedback from larger groups of users, I know where to find it (here, the comments below the VC's review...etc). If he gives the FF a certain rating, and then uses it for two months and decides his initial review was wrong, he should change the rating. Absolutely. I just don't think he should alter a rating based on other folk's feedback. It's not "the Vape Critic plus your random votes" review site. It's the Vape Critic. He's one guy. I just want his opinion, which is what his site purportedly offers. I like the guy because I like hearing his viewpoint, not one filtered through user consent.

Somewhat back on topic...the guy seemed to love the FF2 in his initial review. If he still loves it as much, altering his rating is a little disingenuous. If he doesn't, he should say so. (Full disclosure, I haven't seen his site since the first review, so I'm basing this on the description here in this thread.)
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Hi Mitch - Ok, that's reasonable point of view.

As far as I know, Bud still loves his FF2 and his is working well for him. Haven't heard anything to the contrary.

Now, as I'm sure you are aware, there are many out there who don't take responsibility for their decisions perhaps like you and I do. There have been a number of folks jumping down Bud's throat accusing him of leading them down the primrose path on this device (and, in complete fairness, there are many who love their FF2 and thank him for his positive review) and have accused him of all sorts of nefarious relationships with FF2, of being a shill, with selling his viewers a bill of goods, etc, etc. People have come on his site to actually 'blame him' for their buying decision and subsequent dissatisfaction.....almost like he pulled their credit card out and ordered it for them. I'm sure you can imagine how some people acting in this fashion and I'm sure you can also imagine the resulting pressures he has found himself.

Still, I understand your point of view on this. On the other hand (LOL), if you look at his site, he added a caveat but didn't change the existing text of his initial review at all nor its rating, so there is that in his favor.

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malsanti

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Yes, I find the FF2 hits a lot like a GH on high and power tuned to 105%, much easier and quicker to get a nice draw. Very very easy, actually.

But the real pleasure is vaping on the lower temps. I think one issue I have with FF2, is when you put coarse pieces of bud in the chamber, it will need to be stirred and broken down, to extract everything. Well as long as you overpack a little, it should breakdown into enough material to keep the restriction needed, for the FF2 to work, but its possible to break it down too much to the point there is not enough resistance. You can just put some ABV to pack it if need be, but as long as you overfill a little it should be all good.

I don't think the quality of GH vapor is all that good, not compared to FF2. I love the mighty, but damned thing is bulky, no replaceable batteries, and doesn't touch the FF2 on taste.

The thing is every single vaporizer I have tried, all have the downsides of vaporizing, and are alike because of this, but only the FF2 excells at flavor and long lasting flavor. It's literally the only one, among the ones I have tried.

To me it boils down to how much you care about MJ. Are you just looking to get high, and don't care that much about good bud? If you care about quality weed, FF2 is the only way to go. If you are concerned with getting good quality green, then you would want the FF2. This is why people frequently call it the connosiers vaporizer.

If you're a pleb, with pleb tastes, I can see why the FF2 might be over rated. To the rest of us, lovers of quality bud, FF2 is pretty sweet.

One thing that is very short sighted and dim of the makers of the product is not including a grinder. Probably would've saved them a lot of trouble. If you get the grind right it hits amazingly. Like shredded but still intact in chunks, is how it is best.
 
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Cl4ud3

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malsanti said:
If you're a pleb, with pleb tastes, I can see why the FF2 might be over rated. To the rest of us, lovers of quality bud, FF2 is pretty sweet.
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That's a rather harsh view to give to people who don't feel the unit is working properly. Will you just accept that some people don't like the unit as much as you obviously do and leave the name calling and negatives out of it.
 
Mr Mellish

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Cl4ud3 said:
That's a rather harsh view to give to people who don't feel the unit is working properly. Will you just accept that some people don't like the unit as much as you obviously do and leave the name calling and negatives out of it.
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Interesting. I didn't take it that way. I read it as, "If your focus is on getting high and not on flavor, skip the FF2."

Doesn't seem anymore harsh to me than telling someone that if they just want to get drunk, grab a nice cheap mass market beer. If you want good flavor, grab a craft beer.
 
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Mr Mellish said:
Interesting. I didn't take it that way. I read it as, "If your focus is on getting high and not on flavor, skip the FF2."

Doesn't seem anymore harsh to me than telling someone that if they just want to get drunk, grab a nice cheap mass market beer. If you want good flavor, grab a craft beer.
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He's calling people Plebs and you can't see the negative there ? The way you stated it is absolutely fine, its a vape for people who want to appreciate the taste. The taste is THE MAIN reason I purchased the device, I want to start at low temps and enjoy my vape. The fact I don't feel mine is working correctly if I have to boost it and I don't think I get much more of a taste than I did from the MFLB makes me a Pleb though ?
 
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Mr Mellish

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Cl4ud3 said:
He's calling people Plebs and you can't see the negative there ? The way you stated it is absolutely fine, its a vape for people who want to appreciate the taste. The taste is THE MAIN reason I purchased the device, I want to start at low temps and enjoy my vape. The fact I don't feel mine is working correctly if I have to boost it and I don't think I get much more of a taste than I did from the MFLB makes me a Pleb though ?
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You might be right. I just took pleb to indicate more common tastes, which may be a bit elitist but not necessarily harsh. Of course, I'm a beer snob so my sensibilities could be off on this one.
 
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Cl4ud3

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What I want across all these forums is people giving advice to each other when we are having issues. What seems to be happening, especially in the last week or 2, are people being trolled across forums for having a negative opinion on the device.
Maybe some devices are not working to the standard that others are, some people are happy having a device that maybe 40 degrees out of tolerance. Can't we all just try and give people tips and ideas on things and not resort to name calling and please try and accept that everyone will have a differing experience.

I personally am not keen on many vapes but I can see a lot of people who love them and it doesn't make my opinion of the person change at all. I'm not hurt if I like a vape you don't or vice versa
 
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@Cl4ud3 - I agree. But it works both ways... again, I am dumbfounded how opinions like Baron23's can be formed without ever using the device. I remain baffled.
 
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malsanti

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Cl4ud3 said:
That's a rather harsh view to give to people who don't feel the unit is working properly. Will you just accept that some people don't like the unit as much as you obviously do and leave the name calling and negatives out of it.
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We're all plebs one way or another friends. But, it has been said many times FF2 is the connoisseurs vape. Implying every other vape is for the non connoisseurs. I kinda agree with that.

After a point, the only distinction between good and bad weed is essentially the quality of the flavors. The connoisseur is after the flavor. I drink any ole wine. I'm a pleb that way. But some people are connoisseurs who appreciate the flavors, and cannot tolerate the presence of house wine and insist on the high life stuff.

I mean, most stoners, even like decade long smokers, are not connoisseurs. We are a rare breed, indeed. Most stoners even have great difficulty in identifying mediocre weed, or not fully flushed bud.
 
Cl4ud3

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malsanti said:
We're all plebs one way or another friends. But, it has been said many times FF2 is the connoisseurs vape. Implying every other vape is for the non connoisseurs. I kinda agree with that.

After a point, the only distinction between good and bad weed is essentially the quality of the flavors. The connoisseur is after the flavor. I drink any ole wine. I'm a pleb that way. But some people are connoisseurs who appreciate the flavors, and cannot tolerate the presence of house wine and insist on the high life stuff.

I mean, most stoners, even like decade long smokers, are not connoisseurs. We are a rare breed, indeed. Most stoners even have great difficulty in identifying mediocre weed, or not fully flushed bud.
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Smoked 20 years, and I consider myself far from a connoisseur but I do Love tasting the stuff, it was why I decided to take a chance on the FF2. I do agree that bad flower will give you bad results with the device, but one thing I do know is telling if my flower is good or bad. I think maybe its my age that Pleb to me was a big insult, either way its all good. I'm not in this for big clouds or for getting too blazed to function, its a shame I didn't get the experience most of you seem to be having with it.
 
MonsterWithoutBorders

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I read many of the comments made under the vape critics firefly 2 forum. It seems to me that a few of them had malfunctioning devices (i.e. device getting hot, battery lasting one session). Some of them had no patience for the learning curve. Many of the other negative comments made very little sense.

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All this talk about how great the vapor tastes, and that it is better than a desktop vape, is completely wrong. The flavor is on par with that of an $80 portable. The flavor has a metallic taste to it, which is a common failing in stainless steel bowl portables. Flowers vape unevenly. If you are considering a Firefly2 because you think you’re going to get the flavor you’d get from a Silver Surfer or Vapor Brothers, think again. Even on the low setting, flavor is severely lacking.

Construction is hit or miss. The body itself is solid. The mouthpiece easily detaches and it will likely pop off when you’re passing it around to friends. The bowl is also poorly designed. Pieces of flower will get stuck in a slim groove where air passes, and it is impossible to get it completely clean."

I would say elegant and beautiful construction. Mouthpiece is somewhat difficult to get out. And it is fairly easy to get it completely clean. And the flavor is truly amazing and ranks with any vape I have used desktop or otherwise. The seal can be fussy and without a perfect seal you are not going to get good results. Now that I use @stickstones method of whole bud extraction I don't have any grind issues. It works consistently well every time.

Given this thread and the number of posts about malfunctioning devices vs all other posts I would say the firefly 2 is one of the vapes with fewer problems. Given the hype for this vape I can believe CS is under siege especially when this is has been one of the more difficult vapes for some (including me) to master and get consistent results. This forum has been invaluable in that regard.

Fly on brothers and sisters in vape solidarity.
 
mitchgo61

mitchgo61

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MonsterWithoutBorders said:
"All this talk about how great the vapor tastes, and that it is better than a desktop vape, is completely wrong. The flavor is on par with that of an $80 portable. The flavor has a metallic taste to it, which is a common failing in stainless steel bowl portables. Flowers vape unevenly. If you are considering a Firefly2 because you think you’re going to get the flavor you’d get from a Silver Surfer or Vapor Brothers, think again. Even on the low setting, flavor is severely lacking.".
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This kind of comment is just bizarre. Learning curve, stirring issues, sure, I get all that. But the flavor? It's like objectively the best thing about the FF, and IME no other device comes close.

It really is true when they say "there's no accounting for taste". :p Some people could probably tell us a lot if they'd only submit to serious clinical studies. :lol:
 
Elbuort19

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Cl4ud3 said:
I'm still trying it with the metal screen I had from amazon as those ceramic ones are impossible to find outside the U.S. The good thing about it when I have to stir I use the lid to pick the screen up magnetically, it does get hot. How hot does the ceramic screen get ?
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Ceramic screen gets pretty hot but the top sits just above the the top of the bowl so its easy to quickly pick it up and lay it on the lid before it burns you.
 
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BuzzDanklin

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Baron23 said:
I personally am still baffled by this situation. I know of experienced vape folks who love it and experience vape folks who can't understand how anybody can think this design works properly. I just can't see how this situation exists, frankly.
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I went through a moment of this myself, I was given a silver review unit like VC also, and I loved it especially the flavor. So after thorough use I gave it a strong review that reflected my experience. Then some initial customer reviews started coming out, and while I was hearing mostly good things, there were a few people having much more problems than I would have expected. One night after some heavy vaping, I had a moment of paranoia wondering if they could have potentially sent me a 'ringer' or vape that was put together with extra care. Luckily at that point the Blue FF2 I pre-ordered (which Fireflyvapor didn't know I ordered) showed up, and I got a similar great experience on my second unit so that put me at ease.
 
mitchgo61

mitchgo61

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OldNewbie said:
I might substitute "subjectively" for "objectively" almost by definition in regards to the "best" flavor.
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"Objective" in the sense that probably 80% plus of FF fans cite "flavor" as its greatest advantage over other portables.

How it tastes to me is subjective. That "great flavor" is considered its signature feature is objective. (Of course, that one guy subjectively disagrees. :lol:)

Wisdom of crowds, again. :p
 
kcmochris

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Cl4ud3 said:
What I want across all these forums is people giving advice to each other when we are having issues. What seems to be happening, especially in the last week or 2, are people being trolled across forums for having a negative opinion on the device.
Maybe some devices are not working to the standard that others are, some people are happy having a device that maybe 40 degrees out of tolerance. Can't we all just try and give people tips and ideas on things and not resort to name calling and please try and accept that everyone will have a differing experience.

I personally am not keen on many vapes but I can see a lot of people who love them and it doesn't make my opinion of the person change at all. I'm not hurt if I like a vape you don't or vice versa
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This kinda bothered me at first...only because I stumbled upon FC, after annoyed with reddit and comments under YouTube videos when I first hit the net looking for all I could find on vaping. Speaking about the FF2 specifically, this thread educated me about the unit, its release...pretty much everything. Of course I still looked around the internet -- both before and after buying. But I always come back to the FC forum. Most importantly, this forum helps others when they have issues. I've witnessed and participated in that sort of thing. We definitely do try and give people tips and advice and accept when it's no longer user error. I mean, shit, it motivated me enough to help strangers not in real life. And to write a bunch of words on the internet full of all sorts of folks--yes, a high number of trolls, too haha.

So I hear ya and I understand what you mean, brother. This last week kinda turned me off to what people were posting. And so I, too, wish for that same end result. But that's what moderators are for. Just, gotta remember that one can't believe everything on the internet. For the meantime, I'm sticking here and, as I'm sure you know, you're welcome here, too. It's difficult to find a place with such consensual demand for: being fair and listening, and backing your words up with some evidence, experience, etc.

And, yeah. If you want tier-one flavor this device is cozy in that class.
 
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oddjobold

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@Cl4ud3

I am also now using these screens. They make a huge differnce for me. In fact more so than using power tuning.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-X-15mm-...486511?hash=item3381d3ffaf:g:XdoAAOxyQj9RJ7Ix

I have found that a tight pack is essential. If the herb is lose and can move around in the chamber you dont get much vaporization goin on. Even if you start with a tight pack, the process of stiring and vaporization its self means you lose volume. Loss of volume means a loose pack and no vaporization. I would quite often get great vapour to start with and nothing after a good stir.

A tight pack is essential because the air will take the path of least resistance. If there is a gap in the herb the air will go round it rather than through it.

The fact the screens are concave are great. You can start with the dome facing up. When you lose volume turn the dome down to fill the gap. The weight of the screen pins everything down. I believe the conduction heating it adds is minimal as the herb looks evenly cooked when using the screen.

The other thing i have changed is my draw. I used to go as slow as possible.(maybe to stop the herb moving about). Now i can draw until i hear the whistle, a lot stronger. The whistle is where air is getting past the lid seal i believe.

Dont know why i did not think of this before my FF1 always needed a top screen.

Very happy now - vape is working as expected for me.

If someone else is having problems - it would be good if they could give these a try and see if there fix their issues
 
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Tranquility

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mitchgo61 said:
"Objective" in the sense that probably 80% plus of FF fans cite "flavor" as its greatest advantage over other portables.

How it tastes to me is subjective. That "great flavor" is considered its signature feature is objective. (Of course, that one guy subjectively disagrees. :lol:)

Wisdom of crowds, again. :p
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At some sample size (That is not self sampled as here.), we can make some statistically-derived objective claims about the population. Their feeling on which taste is best is still going to be subjective. Do oranges taste better than apples?
 
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twigs

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FF 1 owner here, sitting on the fence about ordering version two. Meanwhile I ordered the FF2 battery and it has made my FF1 perform better than new! I will probably still order the new Firefly and keep the 1 as a backup.
 
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