snarerushm8
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Is there any way we can check if we are breathing in electronics fumes? The solder and PCB appear to be directly in the airflow path. Any fluid dynamics experts in the house?
The Firefly 2 vaporizer
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YungLeaner
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Almost no chance you are breathing in fumes. Electronics in air path doesn't mean electronics in heated air path. Significant distinction. Perhaps not up to some' standards but very unlikely to be "fumes"
snarerushm8
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I agree. But I didn't ditch combustion for vaping to swap from one source of harmful byproducts to another.
YungLeaner
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I understand that. I do think an officially worded response from firefly would be ideal on the subject, especially as they continue to push the medical frontier aspect of their advertisring
zenichi
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Am I the only who has imagined micro-baking little dot-sized muffins in my FF2? Feels like it would be pretty simple to make up a batter, add a few drops to the "cooking" area and micro-bake it for a min. This seems plausible. Also, did I just invent the term "micro-bake"?
Is there nothing the FF2 cannot do? I feel like it's made me smarter.
Is there nothing the FF2 cannot do? I feel like it's made me smarter.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
What makes you think this? When I look at teardown pix, the air vents are on the side and front of the bowl, well away from the PCB. Do you have a pic or evidence to back up what you're saying? Cause I'm not seeing it.
It was clear to see and from my experimenting with plastic wrap and tape... air does go through the battery and bottom lid. I posted proof pages back, although it was kind of shitty because my camera focusing and it was gif.
Trying to get people to admit this is lost cause it seems.
Air seems to go through every little nook, cranny and crack all of which are visible in the picture above. Look where the heating rods are, look at the small spaces on the extreme sides.. not too mention and space open between the the unit and the bottom lid...
It's clear.... nothing to debate... and look how close all of this is to the heater...
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
1. The airpaths are on the side of the bowl and the front of the bowl. Air is not intended to go through the other openings.
2. Yes, if you block all the airpaths and force air to go through other parts of the vape, that could happen. That's not how it's intended to be used. No one would block those paths in normal use. If you don't block them, air goes through them, not other parts of the vape.
3. The entire device is like five inches long. Of course all parts of the vape are "close to the heater". How close to the heater are the paths on the Pax 2? Just inches. Does that mean the airflow is bad? NO. It's a small device.
There's nothing for anyone to admit. You jerry-rigged your FF to force air to go where it shouldn't. Big deal. I can take any device in my house, use it in a non-intended way, and have problems. My tv doesn't work when I toss it into a swimming pool. Does that mean it's a bad tv?
Spreading bad info about any device isn't helpful. The airpath doesn't go over the PCB. Period. It's patently obvious from the pic you just posted, to anyone who can see properly. Sure, block the intended airway, and bad stuff can happen. So here's a hint: don't block the airpaths.
Remember the old joke..."hey doc, it hurts when I do this"...Dr: "So DON'T DO THAT!". Stop blocking the airways and trying to force air to go where it shouldn't, and the FF operates properly.
Dude I didn't block the Air path... I used it how it is supposed to work...Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
1. The airpaths are on the side of the bowl and the front of the bowl. Air is not intended to go through the other openings.
2. Yes, if you block all the airpaths and force air to go through other parts of the vape, that could happen. That's not how it's intended to be used. No one would block those paths in normal use. If you don't block them, air goes through them, not other parts of the vape.
3. The entire device is like five inches long. Of course all parts of the vape are "close to the heater". How close to the heater are the paths on the Pax 2? Just inches. Does that mean the airflow is bad? NO. It's a small device.
There's nothing for anyone to admit. You jerry-rigged your FF to force air to go where it shouldn't. Big deal. I can take any device in my house, use it in a non-intended way, and have problems. My tv doesn't work when I toss it into a swimming pool. Does that mean it's a bad tv?
Spreading bad info about any device isn't helpful. The airpath doesn't go over the PCB. Period. It's patently obvious from the pic you just posted, to anyone who can see properly. Sure, block the intended airway, and bad stuff can happen. So here's a hint: don't block the airpaths.
Remember the old joke..."hey doc, it hurts when I do this"...Dr: "So DON'T DO THAT!". Stop blocking the airways and trying to force air to go where it shouldn't, and the FF operates properly.
https://m.imgur.com/a/jwbNM
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Looks blocked to me in your pix, via the plastic wrap.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
That's a blocked air path?
It's for sure a broken IMG.
But yes...you have the paths partially blocked in your pic. (In addition, I don't see anything of note happening in your little video loop.)
However, take a step back. Put your finger over the airhole right before the mouthpiece, with the lid off. Can you draw? You shouldn't be able to. All air flows through the hole, before it hits your mouth. In order to flow into the hole, air has to flow over the plate, through the lid-created airpaths. Any air coming from the battery or any part of the device other that the business end of the bowl cannot possibly flow over the plate. It's physically impossible once the lid is seated and sealed correctly. It's a sealed chamber, with the only air access being from the bowl.
Air is not flowing into the mouthpiece hole from anywhere other than the bowl. Period. Unless, of course, you are able to draw with your finger over the mouthpiece outlet slot on the plate. In that case, you have a faulty unit.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Seriously? Have you actually used or held this unit? There's a silicone seal on the underside of the lid. When you seat the lid on the plate, the magnet holds it down, in place. This creates a sealed chamber with only two openings. One, the bowl, above the airvents. Two, the mouth slot that feeds air to the mouthpiece. The vapor path is completely sealed, unless you remove the lid, or seat it incorrectly. No air flowing anywhere else hits the mouthpiece. It's just not possible...unless you don't make the seal properly (in which case air will flow from the sides of the lid).
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
I guess you cannot see the seal in that picture, so I apologize if I misunderstood your question.
Just to boil this into its simplest terms....
1. The only way air can get into your mouth is through the mouthpiece slot in the plate. (Again, block it with your finger...you should get no air when you draw.)
2. The only way air can get into the air chamber is from the bowl (unless, of course, you don't have the lid seated correctly.)
3. The only way air can flow into the bowl, and thus the airpath, is through the air slots, unless they get obstructed and air gets forced in some other way. If the airways aren't obstructed, they are so open that they pull air freely from the sides and front of the bowl into the bowl itself. No air would be pulled into the bowl from farther back in the device.
At least that's how my FF works, and how the couple I've played with so far work.
Pharoh
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I tried my FF2 for the first time last night..and again just now....To me...it seems like it's difficult to get decent vape flow...I have to pull on it much harder than Pax2 or Crafty.... I filled bowl with coarse grind and it almost is exhausting after I pull a slow draw off the unit....Is something wrong here?? Thanks!
Morimoto
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Due to air flow dynamics i.e physics, the air will flow from the wide open air ports on the front of the device freely as @mitchgo61 has mentioned. IF you block those WIDE open air holes, you will get air passing through other parts of the vape.
I have fogged a small area around the device and inspected the air flow and saw ALL air passing in the large slots in the front. we went over all this already at length about a month ago on here.....
I have fogged a small area around the device and inspected the air flow and saw ALL air passing in the large slots in the front. we went over all this already at length about a month ago on here.....
Pharoh
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Not sure if this is an issue....I looked into the open bowl and notice the two major air vents that are under the glass are not lined up with the external air feed holes.....Could that cause resistance when drawing?? I am in good health not a tobacco users have strong lungs...but the draw on this seems a little tough..maybe I'm spoiled by the Crafty...
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
The FF is designed to have some draw resistance in order to facilitate vapor production. It will feel much more restricted than the Crafty or Mighty...but shouldn't feel more restricted than the Pax. Should be the same or less resistance than the P2.
Make sure the mouthpiece is seated correctly, the lid is on correctly, and that no debris is blocking the mouthpiece, its screen, or its feeder hole on the main plate.
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Pharoh
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Thank you for your reply. I will give it some good use this weekend and I'm sure I will adjust...
purplenurple24
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The mouthpiece won't go in upside-down unless it's broken.
On fence about FF2, no battery indicator sucks, and my worst part about my best Vape. Might be a deal breaker
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