Dynavap VapCap

[Dynalowrider]

Yungleaner, I'll bet you the cap on a magnet on a tin will cool down faster than holding it in a stream of air. I know that for a fact.
The cap not only tells you how hot the tip is but transfers heat to the tip. Sink the heat out of the cap but not as much out of the tip. It gets the cap ready to go again.
Remember everyone's experience is going to be different. So find your own routine and form your own habits. Doc

 

[MinnBobber]

Thanks for all the suggestions, but my triple jet is really loud and overpowers the clicks. How tall should the blue flame be? I tried turning it down and it's at lowest height that still lights properly.

I think it combusted at maybe 8-10 seconds max with triple flame(not sure about exact time) so 20-30 seconds seems way long to me.
Do folks spin it 360? I've been avoiding heating the cap where the clip is.
I'm taking a break and will start fresh with it tomorrow.

 

[invertedisdead]

I spin it 360. I get very even loads. A friend spins her halfway around then back the other way, IMO that method tends to be shaky, and the torch tends to hit the cap less accurately so it takes longer to heat up or the ABV isn't so even. Just for perspective though, She HATES the single torch and never really figured out how to use it. She started using it again when I have her a triple jet to try. Like I said a few pages ago, I prefer the single jet through water, but the triple is definitely way better on the go for me withhout a water pipe. Single = bong hit. Triple = session
Some of you guys are doing long sessions I see which is pretty interesting, I've always cached the bowl in 3. But I'm still using the glass one so I really can't comment on any of the other models other than I need to get one

 

[cybrguy]

Everyone has different ears and different thresholds of sensitivity in our fingers. Some want 3 and done, some like to session. Some like singles, some like triples. Some want their ABV dark and empty of goods, others don't care as much or use their ABV for consumption.

Not everyone's experience will be the same with VapCaps or any other vape. Lets be open to the variety that makes life special and help each other past obstacles that may be very different for each of us.

And yes, I got high early tonight.

 

[baxter]

I find that if you respect the click you can get 8 clicks total out of a full bowl (medium grind). Recommend you give that a try if you want to maximize your yield. Which I do since I am in an illegal state in the South.

Click 7 and 8 are not "Monster clouds" by any stretch, you can barely see the vapor. But each click is good for at least a 30 minute buzz at 7 out of 10.

Give it a try, and see how many clicks you can stretch it out, some people get 10 or 11 clicks. Once you master the technique you will get the best hits and be able to conserve the most weed, even get down to 1 chamber per day on weekdays

 

[Squiby]

How tall should the blue flame be? I tried turning it down and it's at lowest height that still lights properly.

I like to keep the flame on all my lighters quite short. The blue inner flame is kept around 3/4 of an inch long or slightly less. For me anything longer than that is overkill.

I think it combusted at maybe 8-10 seconds max with triple flame(not sure about exact time) so 20-30 seconds seems way long to me.

That seems long to me as well. Here are my results to get to the first click from cold, heating lower half of cap, blue inner flame just touching the cap. Respecting the click with no combustion.
Bic - held above the flame about 2mm a from bottom of cap. 15 seconds
Single jet - up and down motion to cover bottom half of cap. 9 seconds
Double jet - 8 seconds
Triple jet - 5 seconds
Quad jet - 3-4 seconds

Do folks spin it 360? I've been avoiding heating the cap where the clip is.

I use two methods.

When I use a single to triple jet lighter, I hold the VC in my left hand. I cradle the mouthpiece between the base of the thumb and Palm. This frees up the fingers to roll the VC in a clockwise continuous roll. Similar to the finger motion of winding a watch.

When during my quad table lighter, I hold the VC in my right hand, rest the VC on the lighter lid and twist the VC one way then back. Back and forth.

 

[MinnBobber]

So I couldn't wait til tomorrow to try again. One good hit and start of combustion on reheat/second cycle

I was in small quiet room with M right up in my face. I swear it didn't click. I stopped after 5?seconds just cuz, and it was blackening my primo load.

I thought I had it dialed as adjusting the triple torch in a nearly dark room let me get triple down to lowest height. It seems really sensitive, like opening it 5 degrees made flame way higher. Was optimistic that would be it but will keep trying.

Getting close, I hope

EDIT: Thanks @Squiby , extremely helpful info !! I was wondering on ballpark times so that is very helpful. As is your rolling in continuous motion--that seems much easier to control than back and forth I was using. thanks again

 

[Dynalowrider]

I guess I'm not saying it right. You heat the cap to heat the tip. The disks (crimped end) tell you when to stop heating. If you cool down the disks you now have a new threshold
If you respect the click You can maintain the correct temperature in the ti-tip. All I'm saying is that by removing the heat from the disks you can regulate the temperature of the cap. Doc

 

[Squiby]

I was in small quiet room with M right up in my face. I swear it didn't click. I stopped after 4?seconds just cuz, and it was blackening my primo load.

I suggest that you practice getting to the click with and empty chamber until you get a better feel for the click. No point wasting herb. Try different flame settings twirl techniques and even different lighters to find your groove.

 

[Sketch420]

Thanks for all the suggestions, but my triple jet is really loud and overpowers the clicks. How tall should the blue flame be? I tried turning it down and it's at lowest height that still lights properly.

I think it combusted at maybe 8-10 seconds max with triple flame(not sure about exact time) so 20-30 seconds seems way long to me.
Do folks spin it 360? I've been avoiding heating the cap where the clip is.
I'm taking a break and will start fresh with it tomorrow.

I have quite a few torches,some are louder than others. I have a 4 flame that is practically quite but my current triple is a bit loud. Zico is the brand I use that is the quitest. Good luck. It does that some trail and error. I combusted 2-3x before I really got it right.

Edit: this is the exact one I use, love it!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zico-ORIGIN...703862?hash=item4d0d7bdff6:g:Za0AAMXQDfdRt5Wp

 

[MinnBobber]

I suggest that you practice getting to the click with and empty chamber until you get a better feel for the click. No point wasting herb. Try different flame settings twirl techniques and even different lighters to find your groove.

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Thanks again,
I was doing empty chambers and then got overconfident with my "shorter flame, more control, a little quieter" fix.
Went for it and got burnt

With your "roll in the palm continuous" instead of hold with fingertips with back and forth, that may be the missing link....... time will tell.

The upside, I got to try different hemp filter and screen methods due to combustion f'in up my filters.
Current screen is slightly concave, outer edge slightly higher in the chamber.

Thanks for all the help

 

[baxter]

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With your "roll in the palm continuous" instead of hold with fingertips with back and forth, that may be the missing link....... time will tell.



Thanks for all the help

Yeah, definately spin it in a continuous circle motion, not in a back and forth like the "Pirate Ship" at the fair.

And make sure you are touching the cap to the hottest part of the flame

I cover the carb and puff it like a Mafia boss puffing a cigar to get the vapor started, then feather the carb for the rest of the inhalation.

 

[whatitdew]

Best rule from learning my omnivap,is do not heat longer than 10 sec!

I time it and if I don't hear the click I make sure to stop before 10.

This is with a single flame torch.

Hold vapcap closer to tip when rotating back and forth in between fingers for better control.

 

[Winegums]

There's no need to avoid the back and forth way of heating in my experience. I've been heating my cap that way since the beginning and it works perfectly fine. It reminds me of the difference between Italian glass blowers and American glass blowers. Italians flip flop their glass while working it and americans continuously rotate it in one direction.

Just a tip: Make sure the light blue cone of flame is washing over your cap and the inner cone is tickling the surface. This should heat your cap the fastest and give a wide wash of heat around the whole cap.

 

[little maggie]

For some reason I often don't hear the click on the second round and end up either combusting. I have no trouble hearing the initial start and stop clicks. Any ideas about this?

 

[Winegums]

For some reason I often don't hear the click on the second round and end up either combusting. I have no trouble hearing the initial start and stop clicks. Any ideas about this?

Where are you heating for your first and second heat cycles? If you're heating near the base of the cap for the first, then repeating for the second time, you'll be likely to combust.

I find that the second heat cycle needs heat in the middle or cheating slightly to the top side of middle to avoid combustion. This is after I've heated the at the very bottom for the first heat cycle.

 

[ClearBlueLou]

I can roll back'n'forth +/- 180º, but I can't do an ongoing, one-direction rotation; I find it fascinating that so many people's lighters are different than mine (? - that doesn't even make sense); but I've counted it out tonight, and it takes me consistently 20+ sec. Can't wait to get the new one and compare.

I keep the flame as low as I can & still *have* a stable flame, and I hold the tip about even with the top of the flame; I see y'all are dipping the tip deeper into the flame than I have been - I'll have to try that (my naturally conservative nature )...it keeps pointing in the direction of improper heating as the 'culprit' for unhappy 'capping. So far, using first the Omni & now the M as my go-to devices, I have combusted a bowl one time, and come right up to the edge of combusting a bowl one time. No credit to me, I was trying not to - and went overboard, perhaps.

Anyway, if people are heating their 'Caps to temp in less than 10 sec dependably, then I have got to get with the program: I'm still underheating...and I've not even begun to consider different treatments for 1st, 2nd, & 3rd heats....

 

[Tommy10]

Anyone try the glass tip mod?
Caution, keep note of your silicone ring before the tip may need removing or something else if you go this route.

My new preferred method with the VonG (now after sussing the website maybe a novavong?)
Screen still in place, making the bowl about 30-40% of original size. Fine grind, firm load and cap on. Put the glass tip on, heat with triple torch (running like 2.5ish at the moment 3rd flame nearly done for) is about 40 seconds, same principal as the cap lower for hotter higher for cooler.
Doing this, provided my lungs can back me I can clear that load out in the first hit, sit back down with vape in bong as the set up is very hot. If I don't clear it I just hit again as the second click can take up to a minute (less if I remove the glass.... I have carpet so its usual together until it's cool) luckily this method leaves me satisfied with a single hit for a good while.

 

[lookhigh]

All this talk about heat up to click time??
Different size load makes a big difference on the heat up time.

 

[needalift]

I have quite a few torches,some are louder than others. I have a 4 flame that is practically quite but my current triple is a bit loud. Zico is the brand I use that is the quitest. Good luck. It does that some trail and error. I combusted 2-3x before I really got it right.

Edit: this is the exact one I use, love it!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zico-ORIGIN...703862?hash=item4d0d7bdff6:g:Za0AAMXQDfdRt5Wp

Do you like this torch ? This was my first torch and I had to fill it either everyday or sometimes if I was lucky , every other day . I was afraid to leave with it on me without a backup . Maybe I just got a dud , but I wasn't very impressed and it turned me off of Zico for sure . I hope you are getting better results

I can roll back'n'forth +/- 180º, but I can't do an ongoing, one-direction rotation; I find it fascinating that so many people's lighters are different than mine (? - that doesn't even make sense); but I've counted it out tonight, and it takes me consistently 20+ sec. Can't wait to get the new one and compare.

I keep the flame as low as I can & still *have* a stable flame, and I hold the tip about even with the top of the flame; I see y'all are dipping the tip deeper into the flame than I have been - I'll have to try that (my naturally conservative nature )...it keeps pointing in the direction of improper heating as the 'culprit' for unhappy 'capping. So far, using first the Omni & now the

I'm using a triple torch right now with the ccd in the second position . I use the suck like a straw method to load ( not a tight pack ) . I also continually spin just above the actual flame in the light ghost flame and it only takes 10-12 seconds for the first click . 5-7 seconds for additional clicks if I don't let it cool too long .

 

[Derrrpp]

Well, I've had my "M" for a few days now and I really like it. It's a great little vape, especially considering the price. I think I still prefer my Ti woody for its heat transfer and airflow characteristics, but the M is definitely a nice addition to my vape collection.

Here's a pic of the new M next to my old Ti woody:

There's definitely a noticeable difference between the two, performance wise. The SS tip has different thermal properties than the Ti tip. The SS retains and conducts heat more easily than the Ti. The M seems to vape the load slower and more evenly, and the Ti tip seems to extract faster.

The airflow is different with the M: with the carb open it feels less restricted than the woody, and with the carb closed it feels more restricted. My guess is it has something to do with the lack of notches on the end of the tip:

Because of this, the M requires a slightly different technique. I find myself doing more mouth pulls with the carb closed, then "clearing it" by opening the carb; whereas with the woody I'll usually hit it with the carb open.

I've also been experimenting with changing the airflow in the M by pushing the condenser farther into the tip. Here's a pic of the mouthpiece end, you can see how far I've pushed the condenser in:

This definitely adds a little bit of restriction to the airflow. Makes open-carb hits a little denser. Not sure yet if I like it more this way or not, I still usually use it with normal condenser placement.

Oh, and there's this:

I call it the Ti M-XLS. I put the Ti tip from my woody on the M body, and added the XL condenser and spinning mouthpiece. Fun to mess around with, though I've since reassembled the two vapes with their correct parts.

So yeah, to sum it up, I've been having a blast testing out my new M!

Stay vaped!

 

[fub]

any retailer accepting paypal still got the M in stock? i cant find it anywhere ;(

 

[Andreaerdna]

After few loads (through induction coil) I believe M is a wonderfull device, there is no comparison IMO in its price range. If short in money or afraid to loose it this is a sure value! If you have some more money, new Ti ti is another level (heat transfer is quitr different, ss tip it is more session friendly while titip is nearly as on demand as convection style (fast heat up fast cool down/ faster than V2 Ti tip

 

[almost there]

So I couldn't wait til tomorrow to try again. One good hit and start of combustion on reheat/second cycle

I was in small quiet room with M right up in my face. I swear it didn't click. I stopped after 5?seconds just cuz, and it was blackening my primo load.

I thought I had it dialed as adjusting the triple torch in a nearly dark room let me get triple down to lowest height. It seems really sensitive, like opening it 5 degrees made flame way higher. Was optimistic that would be it but will keep trying.

Getting close, I hope

EDIT: Thanks @Squiby , extremely helpful info !! I was wondering on ballpark times so that is very helpful. As is your rolling in continuous motion--that seems much easier to control than back and forth I was using. thanks again

Why don't u spend some time playing with it empty? There is no need for you to risk using your material, just get the hang of it and an understanding of how long it takes to click. It'll help u anticipate for it
@Derrrpp love the telescopic M

Edit-Has anyone asked what the "M" stands for?

 

[needalift]

^^ this and also maybe give a few seconds after cool down click before reheating . Did you hear 2 cool down clicks ? Maybe you reheated before it completely cooled . I think a few times mine hasn't clicked , but I'm so I. Tune with it that I can catch it , get my pull, and avoid combustion. Just don't get frustrated and keep working with it until you just naturally know when it's time to pull..