Discontinued The Grasshopper

GreenHopper

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If you can only get one rip off a charged battery, it's not at all comparable to a desktop vaporizer. We're talking muskets vs m16's here. I honestly don't buy into the ultra discrete size thing only to need a bubbler to cool the hits and a 4 pack of batteries to get through a session lol. At this point I think they should have made it bigger and crammed an 18650 in there. 750 mAh is frankly a joke with 3000 mAh 18650 cells. Even my tiny Evic Basic mod has 1500 mAh and puts out 40 watts.

Depends what you are after really.

At no point did HL say they were producing a desktop replacement.

All we are doing is exclaiming about how amazing it is that it's even remotely possible to get dense vapour similar to some of the best desktops under the perfect circumstances.

Sure 750mAh is small, but when out and about I don't hit the device on T5, I hit it on T3-3.5 and get 4-5 decent hits with an 8 month old GHB1 battery. I don't need a bubbler to get high off this device, I just need one to get the best out of it.

Anyone thinking they can get EVO quality vapour (assuming water cooled) out of a device whilst walking down the street is most likely going to be disappointed.

But if you are after a versatile device that can work great as a portable during the day on T3-3.5 and then go home and hit T5 through water with comparable (not identical) results to very popular desktop vapes then the Hopper is a good option.
 

invertedisdead

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Depends what you are after really.

At no point did HL say they were producing a desktop replacement.

All we are doing is exclaiming about how amazing it is that it's even remotely possible to get dense vapour similar to some of the best desktops under the perfect circumstances.

Sure 750mAh is small, but when out and about I don't hit the device on T5, I hit it on T3-3.5 and get 4-5 decent hits with an 8 month old GHB1 battery. I don't need a bubbler to get high off this device, I just need one to get the best out of it.

Anyone thinking they can get EVO quality vapour (assuming water cooled) out of a device whilst walking down the street is most likely going to be disappointed.

But if you are after a versatile device that can work great as a portable during the day on T3-3.5 and then go home and hit T5 through water with comparable (not identical) results to very popular desktop vapes then the Hopper is a good option.

Actually they did say it was a desktop replacement. I've been following the hopper since it was the ZenPen.

Dense vapor is talked about a lot, I'm personally no longer convinced it's something I want. IME more dense vapor just equals more harsh vapor. Darker ABV only proves more chlorophyll is being extracted not more actives. Most of which actually vaporize under 350F.
 
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Mr Mellish

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If you can only get one rip off a charged battery, it's not at all comparable to a desktop vaporizer. We're talking muskets vs m16's here. I honestly don't buy into the ultra discrete size thing only to need a bubbler to cool the hits and a 4 pack of batteries to get through a session lol. At this point I think they should have made it bigger and crammed an 18650 in there. 750 mAh is frankly a joke with 3000 mAh 18650 cells. Even my tiny Evic Basic mod has 1500 mAh and puts out 40 watts.

I get two sessions out of a battery and only use the silicone mouthpiece (never a bubbler) at 2.5 and 5. 5 is a bit harsh but manageable. Can't comment on desktops.
 
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Receptor

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Curious why there are holes in GHB2 batts?


CANNABIS.....Cluster Headache...Re-New..Mission. Good to-Go!!
 
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Chose

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:wave::rofl:
I thought I clearly quoted the part that I didn't personally agree with. Let me do it again:



Also, let me tighten it down a bit. I own and EVO and should restrict my view to that. I have never owned or used an Herbalizer.
:shit:
 
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Baron23

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If you can only get one rip off a charged battery, it's not at all comparable to a desktop vaporizer. We're talking muskets vs m16's here. I honestly don't buy into the ultra discrete size thing only to need a bubbler to cool the hits and a 4 pack of batteries to get through a session lol. At this point I think they should have made it bigger and crammed an 18650 in there. 750 mAh is frankly a joke with 3000 mAh 18650 cells. Even my tiny Evic Basic mod has 1500 mAh and puts out 40 watts.
If I were making the design trade off decisions, I would have done likewise. Sacrifice a bit of stealth by adding a bit of size and hence remove some of the criticality of the design. But....I didn't. LOL
 

invertedisdead

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If I were making the design trade off decisions, I would have done likewise. Sacrifice a bit of stealth by adding a bit of size and hence remove some of the criticality of the design. But....I didn't. LOL

I believe that in exchange for a slightly larger device you are rewarded with 4x the battery capacity. And every replaceable battery = the capacity of 4 grasshopper batteries. I see a slightly larger grasshopper still ultimately smaller than the current unit with a few extra batteries.
 
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biohacker

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I thought I clearly quoted the part that I didn't personally agree with. Let me do it again:

So since you've outlined it so clearly for me twice, would you care to elaborate further on why? Especially since I took the time to give my reasons (airflow)? Even though I didn't think your response was very friendly, I really honestly am looking for your feedback as i'm presently testing an EVO.

What exactly can the EVO do that the GH cannot? From a water conditioned hit perspective...
 
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JoeMama

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Has anyone experienced the brief flashing of a Red, or of red/blue flicker while screwing down the backend (as in, the installation of a new battery)?

This has been consistently happening with the grey Ti I have which I still believe (make that "KNOW") is under-performing in spite of GHL saying otherwise.

Anyone? Thanks!

Actually they did say it was a desktop replacement. I've been following the hopper since it was the ZenPen.

Dense vapor is talked about a lot, I'm personally no longer convinced it's something I want. IME more dense vapor just equals more harsh vapor. Darker ABV only proves more chlorophyll is being extracted not more actives. Most of which actually vaporize under 350F.

Is that a fact? Darker ABV means more chlorophyll?
That's quite good to know; I've often wondered how dark it "needs" to get to be able to know you've extracted the CBD elements that live at the upper end of the temperature spectrum. I vacillate between being pissed off that I'm wasting herb, and wishing I hadn't inhaled that last "dirty tasting" hit.
 

Icon13

Serial Vapist
If you can only get one rip off a charged battery, it's not at all comparable to a desktop vaporizer. We're talking muskets vs m16's here. I honestly don't buy into the ultra discrete size thing only to need a bubbler to cool the hits and a 4 pack of batteries to get through a session lol. At this point I think they should have made it bigger and crammed an 18650 in there. 750 mAh is frankly a joke with 3000 mAh 18650 cells. Even my tiny Evic Basic mod has 1500 mAh and puts out 40 watts.

I get 2 chambers per battery before swapping for a fresh one. I don't even wait for the dead battery light.

You may have mentioned it here before, but do you own a Hopper? Have you used one? Through a water tool?

Personally, hitting through a water tool is amazing. For me it's all about the density of the vapor. Completely white due to the high pressure the water tool creates; plus the cooling.

It also allows me to use all of my compatible pieces and go on "smoking" only substituting this vape for a lighter.
 

kato1234

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Curious why there are holes in GHB2 batts?


CANNABIS.....Cluster Headache...Re-New..Mission. Good to-Go!!
If you are talking about the holes at the small positive end of the battery. This is separate from the rest of the body keeping the positive & negative apart so they don't short out. If you pulled the plastic wrapper off you would see how the body ends and the nipple is separate . DO NOT USE A BATTERY WITHOUT THE WRAPPER because if you do you will find out those holes are to allow the battery to vent spewing hot gases and chemicals out ruining the battery and possibly you or your device. You may have seen some e-cig explodes videos those are usually beyond venting and are a thermal runaway. Venting or thermal runaway is usually caused by using or carrying a battery with a damaged wrapper or putting it in a pocket with keys or coins. To everyone don't carry your batteries without protection a case or even a rubber/silicone cap that you put on the small/positive end. MFLB uses caps (too big for GH batteries) even though their batteries are a much safer chemistry. Now that I have done my public duty I am going out to try my Hopper for the first time. I think I would like some UK Cheese. Later.
 

MoltenTiger

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I get 2 chambers per battery before swapping for a fresh one. I don't even wait for the dead battery light.

You may have mentioned it here before, but do you own a Hopper? Have you used one? Through a water tool?

Personally, hitting through a water tool is amazing. For me it's all about the density of the vapor. Completely white due to the high pressure the water tool creates; plus the cooling.

It also allows me to use all of my compatible pieces and go on "smoking" only substituting this vape for a lighter.
Exactly. I get more than two chambers on my 3 month old GHB2s without exception.
That equates to over 3 minutes of inhalation from 750mAh. My MFLB can't compete with 2250mAh, my EQ can't match the output (even modded).

The GH is a desktop replacement in that it replaced my desktop and has negated any desire I have for anything more. If anything I'd want a vape with a milder signature, I have two hoppers if I want more power. Dual wielded is no joke, multi chamber vaping makes a massive difference and is easy to do with a couple of hoppers
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I'd use any vape through water. Why? It removes a proportion of undesirable water soluble constituents such as ammonia, it tames the vapour enabling easily tolerable half minute hits, it is very enjoyable using divinely designed and intricately created artistic masterpieces.

Mid-hike I carry the GH and toking directly pump massive clouds off the mountains. The fresh Tasmanian alpine air makes this especially nice.
When I'm at the top, nothing makes a view better over a bubbler in hand.

I'm predominantly a recreational user, so efficacy from my drug is what I'm most concerned with. Therefore cloud density is paramount, I don't mind sacrificing some plant material to thoroughly enjoy myself from saturating my cannabinoid system. You can't do this with whispy vaporizer wannabes.

The most powerful desktops can't make a minute of dense vapour stream using 0.15g of material, and if they can they are only matching the hopper.
Put 0.3g in 2 hoppers, and everything becomes completely redundant.
 

Gramin

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GHB2 batteries are so amazing. I got through a day without having to change batteries once! Sure I probably didn't consume much that day but it was real nice the next day getting one and a half more hits before I had to change.

Really happy with my replacement Hopper. The honeymoon period is never meant to end!
 

Doktor Dub

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@GreenHopper : I agree with nearly all your Points.

For me, the GH is very much like a "Proof of Concept" and for that a really cool one. But, it does not feel really ready it s more like pretty promising for a ver. 2 :-)

Don t get me wrong, i really like my GH, but on the other Hand, i would never rely just on it, for me it can not be the only Vape one ownes as it works now.

I would love to have a Power supply or even a "Desktop Hopper" - similar design, with proper 14mm vong form, perhaps even smaller / shorter, a bit more Power and a little bit more open Airflow - Great.

It would make a great difference for me if they used 18650, i can order this overnight and don t pay much so it would be ok to me to change often.

Right now my Battery situation beeing located in Europe: GH doesn t work properly, the european Vendors i know don t have Batteries in stock, if they get them (hopefully) in March and i order just the Batterie it will be 20 Euros with shipping....
 

biohacker

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Has anyone experienced the brief flashing of a Red, or of red/blue flicker while screwing down the backend (as in, the installation of a new battery)?

This has been consistently happening with the grey Ti I have which I still believe (make that "KNOW") is under-performing in spite of GHL saying otherwise.

Anyone? Thanks!

Yep, on all 4 of my GH's, whether screwing the backend on, or off, I always get a second of a red blink while going through the process. Normal I would think?

Is that a fact? Darker ABV means more chlorophyll?

There is a thread somewhere in the depths of FC describing the "caramelization process"... our very own @pakalolo has great knowledge on this topic, but to sum it up - ABV colour isn't as important as we all think for extraction. I for one abandoned the ultra dark ABV I used to take my stash to back in the day, although I frequently see that kinda ABV in the GH when I pack too much in it and go to town on 5 through water which i've been known to do here and there! :brow:

Personally, hitting through a water tool is amazing. For me it's all about the density of the vapor. Completely white due to the high pressure the water tool creates; plus the cooling.

Yes! Same here, thick very dense vapour that mimics the look of smoke.... i've only seen this in the Nano. Same with that "snap crackle pop" sound if your grind isn't too fine.... the GH makes vapour its bitch!!!

It also allows me to use all of my compatible pieces and go on "smoking" only substituting this vape for a lighter.

Agreed again, love using the GH like an electronic "lighter"!

The most powerful desktops can't make a minute of dense vapour stream using 0.15g of material, and if they can they are only matching the hopper.
Put 0.3g in 2 hoppers, and everything becomes completely redundant.

I still think that the GH can exceed the most powerful desktops in very meaningful ways. The EVO can rip through .3g, and do it faster than the GH, however IMO the vapour isn't as densely thick nor as comfortable to take in.

All 3 of my GH's are presently in "testing" at the Lab and should be shipped back to me in a couple of days. I found out that they will only allow 3 batteries to enable "free shipping" and as many silicone mouth shields as I like. Unfortunately, even though free shipping was supposed to be enabled, it wasn't. This has been the only glitch i've experienced so far in the RMA process. It has been incredible so far and very state of the art! I mean, other than the no phone contact lol :p
 

Mr. Me2

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Has anyone experienced the brief flashing of a Red, or of red/blue flicker while screwing down the backend (as in, the installation of a new battery)?

This has been consistently happening with the grey Ti I have which I still believe (make that "KNOW") is under-performing in spite of GHL saying otherwise.

Anyone? Thanks!



Is that a fact? Darker ABV means more chlorophyll?
That's quite good to know; I've often wondered how dark it "needs" to get to be able to know you've extracted the CBD elements that live at the upper end of the temperature spectrum. I vacillate between being pissed off that I'm wasting herb, and wishing I hadn't inhaled that last "dirty tasting" hit.
Hey @JoeMama - I've had the brief red flashing, but more commonly a brief gh "singing". Could never figure it out, and both have stopped now.

I wonder if it was because of a degraded battery? (I'm using new ghb2's now)
 
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JCat

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So since you've outlined it so clearly for me twice, would you care to elaborate further on why? Especially since I took the time to give my reasons (airflow)? Even though I didn't think your response was very friendly, I really honestly am looking for your feedback as i'm presently testing an EVO.

What exactly can the EVO do that the GH cannot? From a water conditioned hit perspective...
I'll give you my 2 cents once I get my Grasshopper :)
 

MoltenTiger

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Alright guys, here's one for you.
I'll call it trailing a hit.

By trailing a hit, I mean using an insufficient power source where the GH just works only a little better than most vapes, instead of at its usual mind boggling capacity.

So the batteries are small and are really made for use with HL's included charger, which in my case is a rare thing. When the battery is at full capacity, it is most able to drive the hopper. After the first hit from the charger, the battery is physically incapable of reproducing the same energy curve output. And so theoretically every subsequent hit is an eventual reduction of performance of the power cell.
Li-ion discharges on its own, and so charging up a battery and storing it to use the next day will cause trailing a hit. The battery won't quite be able give full output (depending on it's quality/age) and the hopper will indicate flat batts quicker.
Alternatively, storing up flat batteries and charging them in time ready before use gives the hopper its full strength and the bowls will be next level thickshakes instead of basic milk.

I've been taking batteries from the hopper and placing them straight on the charger, I then store and pick them out later to use in the vape.

From now on I'm going to be swapping batteries more regularly and charging directly before use to get the maximum power curve offered more regularly.
The difference is astounding in cloud output, and I'd bet a lot of people might benefit from structuring their charge cycles better too...

I still think that the GH can exceed the most powerful desktops in very meaningful ways. The EVO can rip through .3g, and do it faster than the GH, however IMO the vapour isn't as densely thick nor as comfortable to take in.
Did you see my insta video? I ripped through 0.3 in 30 seconds with two hops. It only cost me 3 hours of function :lol:

The EVO seems to give a greater length of cloud, though it doesn't look thicc like we like it :p
I've never used one however, but I remember getting a solid stream of vapour the first time I used the claisen, and thinking 'evo/sublimator etc. I get it now'.
I guess I still don't. One day I'll have the pleasure of finding out.

A hopper by itself truly is finicky, but I still would recommend it as an only vape for any cannabis enthusiast.

If you max the power for the GH as above, the clouds it puts out are intense.
The batteries are a downside of course.
But so is a mains power cord.
Most of the places I go I can't vape with anything worth hitting other than a GH.

The other portable options almost entirely miss the functionality I'm chasing.
T H I C C

That's why it's a desktop replacement.
With a hopper you don't need a desktop, unless you want to connoisseur it up - which is a great idea, why not.
But with a desktop, you need a hopper.

There are a lot of different ways to vape and they all have go to devices, for bubblers of vapour there is no better choice than the GH. From multiple angles.
For a portable vape, unless you want a slow session, the GH is equally as good as few options.
And finally too, it's accessible
 
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MoltenTiger

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Oh yeah, the other thing with the EVO regarding temperature

There is no digital read out, only an analog dial right?
Similar to the hopper, but not calibrated to an indicated spectrum. (or is 12 o'clock a known temp?)

The cloud my hopper just gave me during my lengthy 150°-170°C variable low temp hit was crazy.
I'd bet there is no other vape on the market that could match that
 

biohacker

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There is no digital read out, only an analog dial right?

Right, although there is a strong rumour about a version 2 EVO around the corner that is in fact "digital".

Similar to the hopper, but not calibrated to an indicated spectrum. (or is 12 o'clock a known temp?)

From a quick google search, so not "official" but does jive with my experiences:

"The temperature is operated by a radial dial and they use a clock to estimate temps. So 7:00 on the dial will be 200F and the lowest temp setting while 5:00 on the dial is 500F and the max setting (for concentrate uses). 12 noon is 350F."

The cloud my hopper just gave me during my lengthy 150°-170°C variable low temp hit was crazy.
I'd bet there is no other vape on the market that could match that

This is the shit i'm talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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