CCA Liger banger V3.0

[ReeferChiefer]

I don't know what to say. Every company has their moments. Not all products work as intended.

The vast majority of Liger owners, it seems, have no problem figuring things out or getting it to work properly.

This just reminds me of a 4.5/5 star rated Amazon product. You will have a hard time finding 1 star reviews but when you do, they SWEAR it is the WORST product on planet earth. I too get frustrated when I feel I wasted money so I can imagine this is the only way to vent.

 

[PoopMachine]

Actually there is a new collab between Hex-Nail and CCA. They intend to fine tune the programm of the Hex-Nail for the Liger and its different inserts. A nice but very pricey 'dream combo'?

Im already on this train... cant wait for the Hex-Nail to ship. Ill be able to re-home my DNail unit.

 

[GSR]

715 is the SPOT for me

the high temp im using could be blamed on me still using a loose coil, so hopefully I can bring that down when I get my hands on some pliers this tuesday.

God damn though... as i sit with this thing i start liking it more and more. The rainbow looks so nice.

The size adapters came in clutch cuz i ended up needing to use a 18male-to-male adapter on my piece (D-020-D) since the bowl is set too far into the body. The skeleton handle is pretty badass too, although i wish the handle was longer. My instinct was to hold it like a pen, but thankfully I realized i would have roasted my hand doing that lol

The different dabber tools combined with the airflow makes the session feel personalized. And all this experimenting ive been doing has allowed my rosin to slowly push away my annoyance with the late delivery

So, sans the late delivery, to CCA. After spending a day with her and getting my adjustments dialed in, Im starting to love it. Only thing stopping this nail from being outstanding is that high temp; but Im hoping i can bring that down once the coil is spread out. The flavor might pop out a lot more once thats done.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

715 is the SPOT for me

the high temp im using could be blamed on me still using a loose coil, so hopefully I can bring that down when I get my hands on some pliers this tuesday.

God damn though... as i sit with this thing i start liking it more and more. The rainbow looks so nice.

The size adapters came in clutch cuz i ended up needing to use a 18male-to-male adapter on my piece (D-020-D) since the bowl is set too far into the body. The skeleton handle is pretty badass too, although i wish the handle was longer. My instinct was to hold it like a pen, but thankfully I realized i would have roasted my hand doing that lol

The different dabber tools combined with the airflow makes the session feel personalized. And all this experimenting ive been doing has allowed my rosin to slowly push away my annoyance with the late delivery

So, sans the late delivery, to CCA. After spending a day with her and getting my adjustments dialed in, Im starting to love it. Only thing stopping this nail from being outstanding is that high temp; but Im hoping i can bring that down once the coil is spread out. The flavor might pop out a lot more once thats done.

Which size did you get?

 

[mutten840]

So... I was able to get on a face time call with @vapewithape. He is now dabbing as expected. I am offering my help to the others that are frustrated and need a little help @Danksta , @PoopMachine . I would prefer you to direct message me and we can figure a time to sync up. It took about 15 mins to get him sorted and I feel I can help the others, if they have not completely lost hope. I have both the 30mm and 20mm and they both took fiddling with to get the right seat with the coil. But once it was right, it worked like a champ =)

Hit me up and lets turn those frowns upside down =)

 

[PoopMachine]

So... I was able to get on a face time call with @vapewithape. He is now dabbing as expected. I am offering my help to the others that are frustrated and need a little help @Danksta , @PoopMachine . I would prefer you to direct message me and we can figure a time to sync up. It took about 15 mins to get him sorted and I feel I can help the others, if they have not completely lost hope. I have both the 30mm and 20mm and they both took fiddling with to get the right seat with the coil. But once it was right, it worked like a champ =)

Hit me up and lets turn those frowns upside down =)

Im missing parts... I dont think there is much you can do for me but I appreciate it.

I cobbled mine together using parts from my V2. Missing my new SIC dish and I have to assume he sent me the female adapter which I dont need. I dont have any female pieces. I really prefer the universal design of the V2. Not sure why he went away from that.

All in all Im pretty pleased with it. I like the new cap but it makes getting wax out of a container even harder. But the flipside is it makes capping easier since I dont have to fiddle with getting the cap on straight.

 

[Baron23]

So... I was able to get on a face time call with @vapewithape. He is now dabbing as expected. I am offering my help to the others that are frustrated and need a little help @Danksta , @PoopMachine . I would prefer you to direct message me and we can figure a time to sync up. It took about 15 mins to get him sorted and I feel I can help the others, if they have not completely lost hope. I have both the 30mm and 20mm and they both took fiddling with to get the right seat with the coil. But once it was right, it worked like a champ =)

Hit me up and lets turn those frowns upside down =)

I can testify to the great help and really sympathetic intentions of @mutten840. He was of tremendous help to me getting my G9 controller reconfigured and as far as I can tell he does this purely out of the goodness of his heart as he declined all attempts I made to compensate him (but when I get out to WA this spring, I AM taking you and your wife to dinner! LOL).

Seriously, @mutten840 is not only a prince of a giving human being, he knows how to make a coil fit tighter than a baby's behind. I know this from personal experience (hey, Mutten840...how the f*ck do I get this coil off the Liger! LOL).

@mutten840 - what did you do to get @vapewithape working? Just coil adjustment (i.e. looks like it needed to be spread out and tightened up a bit, yeah?)?

 

[mutten840]

@Baron23 thanks for the kind words =)

His coil was not seated as expected and once we got it spread out and snug. He was dabbing at 640 or something close and choked off a good dab when he tried it out. My fav part was when he told me how good it tasted =) that was the sign he was on the right path and things could only improve going forward. I really like Josh and what he has done for us and only want others to feel this as he is one man trying tbe give back as best as possible. I completely agree there needs to be more info on how to use these and my first impressions were close to @PoopMachine just a box full of parts. But after a few days I had started to see the same results posted by the beta testers.

Hopefully we can get everyone over the initial learning curve and off to the low temp dabs they are expecting =)

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Im missing parts... I dont think there is much you can do for me but I appreciate it.

I cobbled mine together using parts from my V2. Missing my new SIC dish and I have to assume he sent me the female adapter which I dont need. I dont have any female pieces. I really prefer the universal design of the V2. Not sure why he went away from that.

All in all Im pretty pleased with it. I like the new cap but it makes getting wax out of a container even harder. But the flipside is it makes capping easier since I dont have to fiddle with getting the cap on straight.

I like these little wax wallets for storage, their very low profile makes it so one can still see underneath the Ol' Hurricane cap:

Did you get the 20 or the 30?

 

[PoopMachine]

I like these little wax wallets for storage, their very low profile makes it so one can still see underneath the Ol' Hurricane cap:

Did you get the 20 or the 30?

I got the 20. I originally ordered the 30 but people didn't seem to like it as well as the 20 so I switched it up about a month ago.

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

@Baron23 thanks for the kind words =)

His coil was not seated as expected and once we got it spread out and snug. He was dabbing at 640 or something close and choked off a good dab when he tried it out. My fav part was when he told me how good it tasted =) that was the sign he was on the right path and things could only improve going forward. I really like Josh and what he has done for us and only want others to feel this as he is one man trying tbe give back as best as possible. I completely agree there needs to be more info on how to use these and my first impressions were close to @PoopMachine just a box full of parts. But after a few days I had started to see the same results posted by the beta testers.

Hopefully we can get everyone over the initial learning curve and off to the low temp dabs they are expecting =)

WHAT A SAINT! Are you using 20 or 30mm? And what temps are you at with what insert?

 

[mutten840]

I have both 20 and 30

For the 20mm:
SiC insert and dabbing solid at 610 up to 620

For the 30mm:
Sapphire insert and dabbing at 605 up to 620

Both of the above are dependent on the dab material quality and the piece I am using. That's where the above ranges are derived from =)

The biggest thing was getting a snug fit with the coils on both and also spreading the coils out some. Between the above I was able to get the expected results with consistency =)

Qtip cleaning after each dab is what keeps the flavor train rolling through. So get some and give it a try if you haven't yet.

 

[herbivore21]

I also wanna point out that remember the same number on the dial of your controller does not equal the same surface at dish on your nail. I own 4 different e-nail controllers and even with the same coil and nail, different controllers have to be set to pretty different temps spanning about 75f between the highest and lowest ideal temp to get the best results.

Moreover, when you use a different coil, it will have different thermal properties (even from the same manufacturer - different rates of oxidization mean that the relationship between temp on dial and temp on dish are constantly changing). Finally, different nails will heat more efficiently than others, in this case we're all using the Liger so at least that variable is a little more constant.

You guys may have noticed I stopped asking people what temps they run their enail at a long time ago. The reason is that IME, if it isn't the exact same controller with the same heater coil and nail there is gonna be room for variations in our respective experiences, I have found that it is best to measure the temp from the dish (don't use IR thermometers on surfaces that aren't opaque and non-reflective, k type thermocouples rated to the appropriate temp are better for this job) if you wanna measure your temps and find what is ideal in a way that is replicable.

This isn't necessary of course, I find that for finding one's own ideal temp, the recently mentioned stable uptemp tek from d-nail (start your nail turned off and room temp and set controller to 850f. When the temp hits 400f, turn off the heater, when the temp finishes overshooting and goes back down to 400f, turn the heater on again and apply your dab at 425f while the temp is going up - take note of the temp on the dial when your dab reaches the cloudiest point and this is approximately your ideal temp range - dial it in with successive dabs!).

 

[Danksta]

Maybe it's me? Should I not be expecting complete vaporization at such low temps? I seem to get complete vaporization with my hybrid at 650 and nice white milk.

I've fired the liger up for the 2nd time today, spread the coils again at 710 the dab is good, but it's not the milk I get at 650 with my hybrid. I've only gotten one dab like that over the course of two days of testing. Part of me thinks the hurricane cap could be the issue. Not sure it's any good. It seems to lose it's seal very easy.

It's cooling down and I'll give it a 3rd shot. Not sure I got patience for a 4th...

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

I have both 20 and 30

For the 20mm:
SiC insert and dabbing solid at 610 up to 620

For the 30mm:
Sapphire insert and dabbing at 605 up to 620

Both of the above are dependent on the dab material quality and the piece I am using. That's where the above ranges are derived from =)

The biggest thing was getting a snug fit with the coils on both and also spreading the coils out some. Between the above I was able to get the expected results with consistency =)

Qtip cleaning after each dab is what keeps the flavor train rolling through. So get some and give it a try if you haven't yet.

I agree totally!!! I don't think many understand how critical it is to choose the right temp for dab material, and style of rig. I'm a Mad Scientist I really do research!! 600f 30mm Sapphire Awesome Results! Thought about getting a HexNail but trying to figure why, my Dnail never fluctuates. Any other reason to get one?

 

[mutten840]

@Cannabis Connoisseur HexNail = evolution of controllers and how they have historically operated. To be able to have a controller that has predefined settings for several of the nails. They are currently tuning the controllers to operate optimally with the Liger in its different configs. It also looks sexy as shit =)

I did have a Dnail controller for several years and it never failed me. So I do agree with "If it aint broke" approach. But damn those wood choices and the software....SEXY!!!!

 

[LazyIdol]

would anyone mind posting pictures of a spread 20mm coil?

I have yet to do this yet and am a bit anxious about taking pliers to my heating coil TBH.

Looks like my 20mm + both caps + sic insert should be arriving tomorrow

 

[mutten840]

@Danksta When I am doing dabs under 640, I will have to clean up the leftover in the nail with a Qtip. But I also am getting really solid hits at 640 and below. If you have the coil against the bottom of the nail and then add the washer before putting the cover and the lock cap on. Then tighten as much as possible. It should give you solid dabs. If you want to message me directly. We can jump on a call or skype to see if we can sort out what is not working as expected.

Let me know as it sounds like you are close

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

@Cannabis Connoisseur HexNail = evolution of controllers and how they have historically operated. To be able to have a controller that has predefined settings for several of the nails. They are currently tuning the controllers to operate optimally with the Liger in its different configs. It also looks sexy as shit =)

I did have a Dnail controller for several years and it never failed me. So I do agree with "If it aint broke" approach. But damn those wood choices and the software....SEXY!!!!

They do look sooooo sexy!, but so does my custom Power Puff Dnail! I may invest after initial feedback and kinks are out. I can't see investing right now unless it increases dab quality substantially like SiC & Sapphire

 

[mutten840]

@LazyIdol I just need to let my coils cool down and I will post pics of how they look. It is a very minor adjustment and it is mostly in the spreading of the coil and should only require a flat head screw driver.
For the flat coil, it is just making it cover more area if it can be opened up. But the big take away for it to work correctly is having the washer in the mix and making sure it is tight as possible when putting together

@Cannabis Connoisseur I forgot you had the Mojo Jojo case. That is way too sexy to put out to pasture =)

 

[HexNailAva]

It was suggested by Baron I also bring this little gem here, to all the folks up here in Liger-ville.
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To preface, I'm Ava with Hex-Nail and we just got in a lovely shipment of Liger V3 Bangers to test and use for configuring our upcoming flagship HN-01 Controllers. We're happy to say that the folks at CCA should have some of our units headed their way this week. We're really, really excited to work more with CCA and shake up this industry a bit.

And just to keep the thread upbeat and on topic...

These are...the most mind blowing-ly good nails we have ever used. The performance of the Liger v3 (and all it's respective inserts) is light-years ahead of our previous test bed nails (of which there have been quite a few so far). We are literally building a new test bed with more probes to get readings on these bangers so we can further tune our algorithms to be the perfect mate for the Liger v3.

We really hope to live up to this standard. The Liger really is at the top of it's class.

Thank you to Josh & everyone at CCA for the opportunity to have some of these nails at our headquarters. Personally...I'm not sure I'll ever dab on anything else...Until the v4 drops.

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

@Cannabis Connoisseur I forgot you had the Mojo Jojo case. That is way too sexy to put out to pasture =)

Yup, but I'm always looking for new toys to compliment my collection. I just need them to serve an unattended need!! I've already justified the HexNail with the thought, There are many rooms in my house!

 

[mutten840]

So here are some pics showing both the 20mm coil and the flat coil

20mm coil:

This shows the coil after being spread apart with a flat head screwdriver. All you need to do is gently push the tip of the screwdriver between and twist a little. You want to do this to both sides as you go along to keep the center portion of the coil straight.





Coil added to the center tube portion of the V3:



V3 body put together with coil:

Note: The outer shroud does not have to be tight. Mine rattles and has no impact on actual use. It is just to push the heat back into the body



All together and added back to my piece:




30mm coil:


Here is a pic of the coil and you can see I spread the gaps in the middle a bit more than they were. This just gives more area for the coil to touch the V3 body:



All the pieces ready to be put back together:




Coil goes on first:




Now the washer:




Next is the cover:



Lastly the retention cap. You can see a side shot of the coil complete. Make sure to tighten it as tight as possible. This is what will help it work as expected



All together and back on my piece:



Both coils setup and ready for use:

 

[Danksta]

Finally made it to 650. I had to spread my coil much more than @mutten840 did.

Much happier than I was earlier, but still not as impressed as others seem to be. I'm curious what halo owners think.

You guys are gonna hate me, but I'm not impressed with the sapphire yet. I swear my hybrid tasted better this morning. Maybe I need to give the taste buds a break.

 

[mutten840]

@Danksta For the sapphire I prefer around 610 to 620. I found 650 was too hot and made it taste bad. Also the moment it gets dirty. The flavor train will not come around. It is all ass till you clean it. Then it is flavor train time =)

Also make sure to tighten the shit out of the bottom. The snugger the coil was. The better my results were with lower temps