Discontinued Zion vaporizer

[Edric al-Fali]

please give me a Zion

This. I want mine too. I had seriously considered the single battery; I'm pretty sure it has a stem light too. For completely different reasons I also want the 100 watt Dual Battery. I got the Zion Classic though for the safest bet. I'm sure it's the largest of the three though I've seen pictures here of it being supported upside down by glass bowls.

I'd likely get in on the first 250 units sold.

I'm not sure if this belongs in the shipping thread or not: So I bought mine on October 1st. I'm pretty sure i paid... *checking email* $199. I assume, then that I am part of the beta group? Is this right? I kinda assumed I was getting a production model. Is this still technically true because I came in pretty much at the end? Does it even really matter other than the lifetime warranty?
I kinda assumed that the last of the beta models would be no different than the production models anyway. That lifetime warranty would be pretty dope tho.

I also bought the i2 instead of the digital D2 charger. Is there a real difference or is the digital just extra fancy?

Not sure on the un-answered requests other than RBT being understandably very busy at the moment. You may well hear from him when he has a minute. I would imagine there aren't many minutes spare in this mans life just now.

I asked about some shipping discrepancies I experienced, but haven't gotten a reply in a week. I've thought about deleting my conversation and trusting that everything went through. I have a receipt from paypal with the correct address. You guys think it would be best if I just left it at that for now and deleted the question?

 

[cybrguy]

There are no more betas of the Zion to be shipped. Only production models. The beta TEAM will get the first batch of production models. Then you will start to get yours. There WILL be betas of TOD and the Single Battery version still to come, but not until you all have your Zions.

I just weighed my beta Zion and she is 344g with batteries but without a stem or the cap (hopefully you don't mind my sharing that, Venus). She sits very comfortably on glass as the many posted photos show. She even sits comfortably off center.

 

[MrPeanut]

RBT has said he will be concentrating on production for a few weeks. If you got a receipt they got an order. He replies to all inquires personally. He will reach out to you as soon as he steps away from the workbench. Everyone take a breath while he works 20 hours a day to get you your vapes.

 

[phattpiggie]

If I was a customer without a charger and batteries I would buy RBT's stuff. If any problems arose you take it up with him safe in the knowledge you bought the whole preferred set up from him.
Many people have these things already and more importantly understand the 18650 battery and it's market. I buy thru Fasttech and it's been okay but I have a hang up about buying batteries from them. No reason why just don't want to.
I have a D2 that I bought thru a reputable source and I still have no idea if it's genuine.
The market is full of horrible rip offs so unless you're sure then stick with RBT stuff.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

The ebay D4 had an authentication sticker and I confirmed with the manufacturer that it's real. Batteries took a long time to get here but they got here long before I'll have my zion and they're exactly the same. I'm not trying to sway people away from buying from the RBT store. You absolutely should if you have the money but let's not pretend all these 18650 batteries don't all come from the same factory in china.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Sad part is that RBT did everything but beg to get every one that wanted in at the introductory offer. He was going to try to keep the prices down. Until he was brow beat by every one that has used the Zion to raise the price to meet the quality of the product. I was sad to see it raised just because I feel some will undoubtedly miss out on it now. And RBT has given thought to this little dilemma and has designed 2 separate vapes that will be offered at introductory prices that will let all levels of consumers into this little Zion family.

Edit: I own vaporizes that cost me more on the initial purchase price then what the Zion will cost you batt. charger and all. And the Zion out performs them. It's not even close. Hell the Zion out performs my plug in vapes also. And unfortunately that's the truth. It really opened my eyes to just how much all my previous vapes are under performing in one way or another. Sad how much $ I've wasted trying to find what the Zion can deliver.

Very true and well said.

@jojo monkey I read your post and thought 'I suppose when you add it all up it soon gets to sound a bit expensive'.
So I had a look at what else is available in the $300/EUR270/£200, portable battery powered, bracket.
Well on the conduction side of it we have a lot of fancy all singing all dancing bits of fragile plastic with the occasional metal casing or sleeve just to mix it up a bit.
Which of course then led me to whats available on the convection side of things. Say no more on that me thinks.
All the vaporizers you've just gone thru in your head all require cleaning, some more than others, they may or may not need extra adapters for use with bubblers etc. and they may or not have an easily sourced battery.
The form of the Zion is not for me but to be honest the form of most portables are not for me. However the RBT tech. and the future possibility of a kit so I can build my own body is very much my boat floater. Come on Toad Of Death!!
The RBT and the Beta team have shown us it's robust. It's versatile. It's made from sustainable materials. It runs on readily available batteries. It's easy clean. We've seen it works.

There isn't a lot else in the instant convection market at the moment. The firefly and the GH are really the only vapes in the same wheelhouse and this will far outshine the FF in performance and battery life guaranteed.

 

[phattpiggie]

I watched the FF teardown video and couldn't believe how full of gunk it was. All be it reclaimable gunk but gunk never the less. For me the less reclaim the better that means the majority is in me not on the inside of a glass tube or even worse the internals of an expensive vaporizer. I know it comes with the territory.
The battery life seems really good which is my concern with the single. Ways and means to rectify that.
I am sure if the Zion ate LG's then we would have heard about it.
I didn't place an order for one as I just know it would have been to much for me not to take it to bits. I have no want for stem and tool storage. I wouldn't have been able to stop myself. Especially when I've had a few lungs full.
FFS my INH05 had to have a serious talk with the Dremel. Big chunk of plastic cut out of it for the better.

 

[cybrguy]

I'm really looking forward to you guys getting your Zions as I expect to see some serious customization. Whether just <?> wood working or shallow carving, there is a lot of space to do something special if you have the talent. I expect we'll see some creative stuff...

 

[fonzerelli]

Sad part is that RBT did everything but beg to get every one that wanted in at the introductory offer. He was going to try to keep the prices down. Until he was brow beat by every one that has used the Zion to raise the price to meet the quality of the product. I was sad to see it raised just because I feel some will undoubtedly miss out on it now. And RBT has given thought to this little dilemma and has designed 2 separate vapes that will be offered at introductory prices that will let all levels of consumers into this little Zion family.

Edit: I own vaporizes that cost me more on the initial purchase price then what the Zion will cost you batt. charger and all. And the Zion out performs them. It's not even close. Hell the Zion out performs my plug in vapes also. And unfortunately that's the truth. It really opened my eyes to just how much all my previous vapes are under performing in one way or another. Sad how much $ I've wasted trying to find what the Zion can deliver.

Sad part is that RBT did everything but beg to get every one that wanted in at the introductory offer. He was going to try to keep the prices down. Until he was brow beat by every one that has used the Zion to raise the price to meet the quality of the product. I was sad to see it raised just because I feel some will undoubtedly miss out on it now. And RBT has given thought to this little dilemma and has designed 2 separate vapes that will be offered at introductory prices that will let all levels of consumers into this little Zion family.

Edit: I own vaporizes that cost me more on the initial purchase price then what the Zion will cost you batt. charger and all. And the Zion out performs them. It's not even close. Hell the Zion out performs my plug in vapes also. And unfortunately that's the truth. It really opened my eyes to just how much all my previous vapes are under performing in one way or another. Sad how much $ I've wasted trying to find what the Zion can deliver.

Have you ever used the herbalizer?

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Have you ever used the herbalizer?

I own a Herbie. I can compare more once i receive my Zion.

Edit. From testing the heater i can tell you right now the Zion will easily be able to keep up with the Herbie in vapor production and right there in speed. Where the Herbie is unique and untouched on the market is in getting precise and constant temperature. The herbie hits and temp, and doesn't change. Its pretty amazing and pretty damn accurate. Herbie is also one of of not the most expensive vape on the market and is a desktop plug in.

A lot of people don't need precise temps and can go more on effect and experience.

 

[DieHard]

I have. Wasn't my cup of THC.

 

[TheDudeNextDoor]

I have. Wasn't my cup of THC.

I see what you did there.

 

[HD Springer]

No I haven't used a herbalizer. And precise temps are not as important to me as it was when I first started out vaping. I have an eq and a lsv and my Zion is a much better experience. The lsv and Zion are equal in a lot of ways. Open air flow,plenty of heat. Where the lsv lacks is the Zion can easily temp step and I can change temps quicker and it's smaller and just all around easier to use.
I'm a convection kind a guy and the best way to judge my hits is through the feel of the throat. My ff was my first true go at this conv and I'm not sure I truely care to go back to a conduction type vape.

 

[GTAVaper]

Oh man---
I was going to pop for one of these this weekend but I was in a location with no internet service---for my carrier. Well--just went on the RBT site and the unit has gone up $40 in price? A bit bummed considering that no production units have been shipped and I'd likely get in on the first 250 units sold. I don't feel that the $240 is unreasonable considering the reviews I've seen, but I was counting on the $199. Oh well.

I am from Toronto Canada and saw it on the website either the last day of September or the first day of October - along with the indicated lifetime warranty.....I could have even put it in my cart at the time but I read the instructions on the webpage and made an inquiry about international shipping to Toronto through the feedback page. I didn't get a reply yet and then after seeing the request to direct inquiries through the feedback page again after that earlier in this thread I decided to start a conversation into my original inquiry. I still haven't heard back yet.....and I hope that it is only an indicator that he is very busy with production and not that I won't eventually get a reply that would let me pick it up at the price/warranty that was indicated when I sent my original feedback request in. Of course, I understand that shipping would cost more....but I would sure be disappointed if I had to pay an extra $40 when I made my inquiry at a time when it was listed for $199.....I will wait and see and hope for the best.

 

[Likes2vape]

That's great to hear the Zion compared to the LSV!! I love my LSV except it's not portable.

 

[fonzerelli]

I own a Herbie. I can compare more once i receive my Zion.

Edit. From testing the heater i can tell you right now the Zion will easily be able to keep up with the Herbie in vapor production and right there in speed. Where the Herbie is unique and untouched on the market is in getting precise and constant temperature. The herbie hits and temp, and doesn't change. Its pretty amazing and pretty damn accurate. Herbie is also one of of not the most expensive vape on the market and is a desktop plug in.

A lot of people don't need precise temps and can go more on effect and experience.

Yeah, the precise temperature control is a nice feature, but not necessary. Everything else about the herbie experience is awesome though. If they can duplicate that experience minus temperature control in the Zion, they should be knighted.

 

[HD Springer]

@Likes2vape the Zion/TOD are real close to the lsv in many ways. The loads in the 18mm stems and the open air paths the high heat. It's a much more convenient portable lsv IMO. And the the TOD is like a warmed up lsv cranked to full max heat. And even then it can't compare to the out put of TOD. TOD is a mother fucking beast. Sorry for the language I just have no idea how else to describe it.
The Zion can mimmick the TODs high end output it's just a little more work to get her there. Of course every ones experience will vary a small bit.

 

[Shit Snacks]

That's great to hear the Zion compared to the LSV!! I love my LSV except it's not portable.

Yeah I was describing it as an MFLSV, it really is like those two combined in a lot of ways
(but overall better than both imo!)

 

[peaceonearth]

Have you ever used the herbalizer?

Best vape i ever had. Only downside was, it kept committing suicide. Had two of them jump off my desk and shatter to smithereens, then gave up.

EDIT oh wait, i was referring to the Herborizer not Herbalizer, which i didnt even know till now existed. Herborizer was awesome and all glass, ergo not for the clumsy. Anyhoo.. never mind!

 

[cybrguy]

I can imagine having a medical need for some particular turpene or group of turpenes that vaped at a particular temp that I knew +/- a couple degrees. Under those circumstances the Herbalizer might be the best and possibly the only commercial vape that could do that simply and effectively. Then the Herbie would be worth it no matter it's cost.
I don't have those specific needs, however, and there are so many vapes that do a great job satisfying MY needs without quite so much precision and that cost a fraction of what a Herbie costs, including the Zion, that I just can't imagine spending what a Herbie costs.
But, we all have our priorities, and they are all different. And that's what makes the world go round. Or something like that...

 

[Tommy10]

Herbalaire certainly changed my perspective on clouds, activies efficency/effect... However I'm still very much a big clouds man, so seems the Zion got this locked down! Little nugglets in an 18mm open air path should also be a lazy mans dream... For when you just can't grind!

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Yeah I was describing it as an MFLSV, it really is like those two combined in a lot of ways
(but overall better than both imo!)

If this is true this is literally my dream vape. When I placed my pre order I did so thinking this will probably be the closest thing to a portable LSV, which I decided a long time ago would be to only portable I would even consider buying. After using a strong desktop vape for such a long time even "nice" portables like the PAX didn't even come close to doing it for me.

 

[Vapenvy]

Little nugglets in an 18mm open air path should also be a lazy mans dream... For when you just can't grind!

As i sit here covered in buds from the grinder that flew out of my hands mid grind, i couldn't agree more.

Disclaimer - The incident described may actually have occured last night, and not necessarily whilst reading FC...

 

[Melting Pot]

Well now that I spent last Saturday with @DieHard putting Loki through the gauntlet.
My Zion fever has grown ten fold. sitting there holding Loki flipping off the battery cover. trying to envision what the production model will look like,man I can't wait at least I can always sneak off and go down play with Loki while I'm waiting for mine to be delivered.

 

[pakalolo]

I can imagine having a medical need for some particular turpene or group of turpenes that vaped at a particular temp that I knew +/- a couple degrees. Under those circumstances the Herbalizer might be the best and possibly the only commercial vape that could do that simply and effectively. Then the Herbie would be worth it no matter it's cost.

Off-topic response is in the Vaporization temperature dependent selection of effects thread.