has three panels of mica carefully arranged to create a nice turbulent vortex of airflow through the heater and then the herbs in the stem
Mica is part of the heater as I understand it. I don't have as much knowledge as @Shit Snacks though.
I'm not sure if I want to see a chinese zion in the next 6 months nor if it's wise to incite people to try to infringe on RBT patent...
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.Then what the he'll do we talk about until more units make it out? More RBT bashing??
I'm fucking over the tip toeing around here. Does he have a patent or not?
We talk about, dismantle, photograph internals on every other vape manufacturers threads on FC. Why is this one any different?
So is the mica heating up as well? And basically just preheating air as it passes thru the three panels before entering the heater?
TIA
Mica is part of the heater as I understand it. I don't have as much knowledge as @Shit Snacks though.
Iirc the mica also acts as a heat shield? I remember Ryan was trying stainless steel until mica was suggested here as an inert alternative.
The mica must also act as a heat sink of sorts too?
On back to back bowls, vapor production on my unit is crazy.
Which is either that RBT magic, or the intake air is getting preheated by the mica?
So @Shit Snacks, the Mi has no mica? Or not as many panels?
I'm so intrigued by the inner workings, and how these devices are pumping out so much vapor, while keeping such a simple design!
glass as an insulator but it was too much of a heat sink for lower temps
the mica does not conduct as much heat as the glass (or the steel heating element).
Mica is an insulator, so it doesn't retain heat making it the opposite of a heat sink.So the mica is a multitasker.
An insulator, a slight heat sink
Mica is an insulator, so it doesn't retain heat making it the opposite of a heat sink.
Thanks Stu
That's where I was getting confused, insulators don't make for a good heat sink.
Is the insulation more for keeping the heat in for more heat soak, or to protect the wood from charring?
So do the early models body get hot to the touch @KeroZen that have the glass as an insulator?
Mine just starts to get warm (at heater location behind wood?) on back-back bowls.
Nothing compared to a heat soaked e-nano tho.
Am I the only one who can't freaking wait for him to move on to a desktop, I honestly would have said screw the milaana, isn't the main difficulty of this is making it portable ?
I'm actually surprised there isn't an on demand convection plug-in vape yet, at least not that I can think of, and this is the only kind of tech I would want in one. Imagine having it the size of/or smaller than a Nano.
Pick 'er up, plop 'er on, press the button! You don't leave it heat soaked unless you want it to be. No anxiety of your cat knocking over your log when your not around or what not. I don't have a cat so that's not my issue. My nano serves me great 24/7 so I don't know why I'd like this so much, I think you'd have the best of the manual and regulated world.
It could be like the e-nail of plug-in convection vapes! (like style and design wise is what I was thinking)
Just spit ballin', glad the feel of this thread is starting to feel a little more like the way it was before October. I guess most of us still hanging on are over it and just want anything moving forward.
The milaana has shown that, honestly anything is better than nothing.
I believe a drop in AC adapter is very possible here, making Zion a true desktop afterall
But I agree a triangle shaped plug in unit that was like a mini on demand LSV log would be awesome too...
We've seen concepts
I would just like the bulk to be cut down a bit as if it was a desktop it wouldn't need the extra space for the batteries, stash, and stem. Also a little less anxiety of it sitting on a piece.
Interesting. My plates still looked like glass from the little I could see. No, I did not open mine.The mica is an insulator, early units like Kero's alpha had glass as an insulator but it was too much of a heat sink for lower temps, the mica does not conduct as much heat as the glass (or the steel heating element). The mica has one piece of mica holding up the steel, separating it into two halves (was glass) in the original Zions and now the Milaana. Production Zions have 3 smaller pieces of mica that support the SS heating element in a special orientation for smoother vapor and more even extraction, all together that makes up Zion heater technology.
Does that clear up a bit? Sorry if it seems vague, unsure of patent status but that is the gist, whilst leaving out the key of what makes the heating element itself have such a massive surface area. Agreed we should be able to discuss the secret sauce at least in some way
Interesting. My plates still looked like glass from the little I could see. No, I did not open mine.
I think I remember Rbt saying the patent was still in "litigation", which in my mind means it's not solid, at all..
Then he started selling them to anyone who wants one. So good luck with him keeping the heater patent a secret now.
Still waiting on mine.. The Mi thread however, with all the activity, is starting to bum me the fuck out as I ordered my Zion back in Aug of 2015.
Edit: To be clear, I am happy for the new Mi owners and to RBT for making it a reality but I am jealous to still be waiting for mine. I am trying to be patient..