Discontinued Zion vaporizer

[phattpiggie]

@killick I've finalised the screen design for the 'party/hookah/bag blowing' version. I could only find basket style but I am sure @RastaBuddhaTao won't mind.

@MrPeanut you up for some more late nite testing?
Garden gnome style excellent.

 

[MrPeanut]

As long as you are paying to fill that thing I am game @phattpiggie lol

 

[phattpiggie]

Probably cost more to fill it than the flight over.
So as @killick has set me off I thought how about one of these.

They come in all sizes.

 

[DopeShow]

Finding this ZION is a mission iv never found any vids on it yet except that unregulated one. (Its charring all his herb anyway) .Thinking it's a kind of vaporizer easter egg and if u click on the right link you will finally get to see it in action.
I be quicker building my own .....or in meantime just get an old hash pipe and use a hairdryer instead of a lighter.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Finding this ZION is a mission iv never found any vids on it yet except that unregulated one. (Its charring all his herb anyway) .Thinking it's a kind of vaporizer easter egg and if u click on the right link you will finally get to see it in action.
I be quicker building my own .....or in meantime just get an old hash pipe and use a hairdryer instead of a lighter.

Pakalolo posted videos here very recently... Few pages back, through water

 

[DopeShow]

Thx.
And now I'm more confused. ..that goes down as one of those WTF did I just watch vids. Clearly he doesn't know how to hit it or its impossible to regulate!?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Thx.
And now I'm more confused. ..that goes down as one of those WTF did I just watch vids. Clearly he doesn't know how to hit it or its impossible to regulate!?

What? He explained his limited lung capacity to "milk" a waterpipe. It still shows the basic function and performance for a beta model. It is regulated for power, but the draw is always user dependent with pure convection airflow

 

[DopeShow]

It's clear his herb is combusting tho right?

 

[IAmKrazy2]

It's clear his herb is combusting tho right?

Who's? Mine? I assure you, i know what combustion tastes and looks like. There was ZERO combustion in my video. Just big milky clouds of vapor.

Finding this ZION is a mission iv never found any vids on it yet except that unregulated one. (Its charring all his herb anyway) .Thinking it's a kind of vaporizer easter egg and if u click on the right link you will finally get to see it in action.
I be quicker building my own .....or in meantime just get an old hash pipe and use a hairdryer instead of a lighter.

You state that it is charring the herb like it is fact. Were you there? I was. There was no charring or combustion. Zero.

For anyone reading please feel free to make a logical choice who to believe; the person who was there, used the vape, made the video, and has been a forum member for more than 6 years. Or choose to listen to someone who wasn't there, has never used this vaporizer, and has been a forum member for less than 2 months. Your choice.

 

[DopeShow]

We were referring to pakalolo 's video. He mentions he has it set to 87% power for it not to combust. When did u post it video?
And can u confirm if indeed it is possible to burn ur weed in this vaporizer if u don't control the airflow or trigger.

 

[hackslasher]

Here's a quick and dirty video of Loki in action with my Eross 4point0 En4cer. Sorry for the bad lighting. Stay tuned, more to come. Thanks again to @Ratchett for the adaptor being used. Unfortunately this setup doesn't lend itself to horizontal video.

Sorry double post not sure how to get two quotes into one message

I've been promising a video of TheZionNextDoor with its favorite friend, the water tower. Finally got off my ass and took a few vids last night. The embedded video is the fifth hit of the session. I got ten hits as good or near as good as this one, stirring twice during the session. The abv was darkish brown with even heating. No black or yellow to be seen.

Love this vaporizer. I have now sold my Firefly and the Zion is my go-to portable vape when stealth is not needed. Enjoy.

Please mods last post for a little here. Sorry all post but yea want to show some video. And this is the concentrate one. If could add to the prior post please and thank you

My method for concentrates on the Zion involves using a SS coil from the UpTech Hercules. I have to distort the coil to block the center hole so the coil fills the stem. Then...

 

[DopeShow]

Seems legit those look like clouds of vapour now. Worth breaking the rules for. There just something about holding a button to fire ur vaporizer that seems right. Glad u cleared up the confusion over this device I need to try one now.

 

[pakalolo]

It's clear his herb is combusting tho right?

I was not reaching combustion. If you had read this thread you'd already know that while you can reach combustion with the Zion, you have to be trying for it. The first step: 100% power, so the first step in making sure you don't combust: 87% power (or anything less of course).

I'm really doubting your ability to distinguish smoke from vapour. At least mine had a little thickness to it, but the video @IAmKrazy2 made doesn't look anything like smoke. It's too white and wispy.

 

[Shit Snacks]

It's clear his herb is combusting tho right?

Are you kidding? Not at all. That is all vapor dude, that's like what you'll see hitting a Cloud Evo, so. much. clouds. Just pouring around, can see that from Firefly and Elevape too, but not of this magnitude in my experience, this is more full desktop caliber.

Yes it is possible to combust here, like in many other powerful on drmand convection vapes (LSV, Elevape, Daisy/Lily, logs, etc). They involve more technique typically, a learning curve for some, but with big rewards. This isn't like a pack and go conduction session vape....

That being said, Zion is actually easier to avoid combustion than most thanks to the voltage dial, set it low and combustion is pretty impossible if used properly, yet the clouds are still expansive and oh so tasty

EDIT Pak chimed in to explain as well. Krazy2 meant his manual concept video on YouTube, bc your comments had reassembled another's. All is good, but yeah dude, convection on demand with a trigger is a great feeling

 

[VegNVape]

Finding this ZION is a mission

Hmmmmm. . . . welcome

F.Y.I The manufacturer website is:
www.rastabuddhatao.net

And, (again F.Y.I.) many of the beta testers for this device (of which I am one) were already members on this forum & therefore occasionally post experiences, pictures, & sometimes even some video - so you are in the right place already perhaps?

But please remember that beta testers are not here to promote the device, or make videos when then they usually would not, for promotional purposes. Nor is it the duty of any beta tester to provide any information whatsoever to the folks here on FC or anyone other than RBT himself.

Also, please remember that none of the Zion devices have actually been released. The number of test users is still rather small & not all are posting their experiences on FC, or indeed anywhere. So really, it is not that surprising that there are not very many in-use videos knocking around out there - after all, they would not be production heaters & therefore may not give an accurate picture of what the end user should expect.

I be quicker building my own .....or in meantime just get an old hash pipe and use a hairdryer instead of a lighter.

Yes, do it

 

[DopeShow]

I was not reaching combustion. If you had read this thread you'd already know that while you can reach combustion with the Zion, you have to be trying for it.

Then surely it's possible to slightly combust without u realising it?

Are you kidding? Not at all. That is all vapor dude, that's like what you'll see hitting a Cloud Evo, so. much. clouds. Just pouring around, can see that from Firefly and Elevape too, but not of this magnitude in my experience, this is more full desktop caliber.

Yes it is possible to combust here, like in many other powerful on drmand convection vapes (LSV, Elevape, Daisy/Lily, logs, etc). They involve more technique typically, a learning curve for some, but with big rewards. This isn't like a pack and go conduction session vape....

That being said, Zion is actually easier to avoid combustion than most thanks to the voltage dial, set it low and combustion is pretty impossible if used properly, yet the clouds are still expansive and oh so tasty

EDIT Pak chimed in to explain as well. Krazy2 meant his manual concept video on YouTube, bc your comments had reassembled another's. All is good, but yeah dude, convection on demand with a trigger is a great feeling

I'm not adverse to flirting with combustion in my vaporizer. just wanted to know for sure if it was possible in this device. It's critical as a new comer might fire it up and be burning his herb by mistake.

mod note: Edited to fix broken QUOTE tags

 

[cybrguy]

I'm not adverse to flirting with combustion in my vaporizer. just wanted to know for sure if it was possible in this device. It's critical as a new comer might fire it up and be burning his herb by mistake.

Yes, you can combust but it is easy to completely avoid it. I have only done it when pushing, trying to get the last possible vapor like when I am about to run out <g>. Most of the time I am not quite so cheap and have the power set lower...

I haven't tried mine with concentrates yet, but that extra power will likely be needed for them. I also wanted to disclaim that mine is also a beta unit, so does not have the production heater and that will be somewhat different, and likely even better.

 

[DieHard]

I personally have only had one or two combustion events. ONLY when riding the button absentmindedly with the dial turned up too high. . The difference is noticeable immediately.

 

[DopeShow]

I personally have only had one or two combustion events. ONLY when riding the button absentmindedly with the dial turned up too high. . The difference is noticeable immediately.

I quest the technique would be to turn it up till u feel the herb start to go and then either come off the trigger or turn the power down to get a steady airflow.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Any of us here know instantly when it takes a turn to combustion, it ignites. Similar to a convection torch vape in that way, pulling pure heat off a flame, or here a stainless steel heater with massive surface area. Charring is a different story, and most often if anything its unexpectedly uncharred after you got a crazy hit that you're sure must've charred ...

 

[pakalolo]

Then surely it's possible to slightly combust without u realising it?

No, actually. Combustion is impossible not to notice. The taste is unmistakable.

I quest the technique would be to turn it up till u feel the herb start to go and then either come off the trigger or turn the power down to get a steady airflow.

When you hold the button down, the Zion quickly comes up to vapourizing temperature but after that the temperature increase is so slow that you can hold the button down for 20-30 seconds without much change. Please take some time and read the thread, since all of this is explained in detail in earlier posts.

 

[HD Springer]

There is no question if you've combusted. There is no way you would combust with out knowing it. At least if you have ANY experience with vaporizers. As pak just stated.

 

[DopeShow]

There is no question if you've combusted. There is no way you would combust with out knowing it. At least if you have ANY experience with vaporizers. As pak just stated.

Come on now guys I have slightly combusted weed in a vape and not noticed I'm sure u have too.
And if u r near ignition temperatures u r certainly beyond the safe vapor limit. Let's not kid ourselves.
Let's draw a line I'm starting to like the idea of this vape.

 

[KeVo23]

Come on now guys I have slightly combusted weed in a vape and not noticed I'm sure u have too.

I have never heard of or seen a load partially combust without the whole load igniting.

 

[Tommy10]

I 3rd that motion, if you combust you know. A slight charring is not combustion, combustion is when the herb ignites. The taste buds measure this monumental fuck up within a fraction of a second! Can not be overlooked really.