Yup Los Angeles just got crazier.

[Caligula]

You are thinking black talons rounds. Urban legend basically.

Not an urban legend at all. As a matter of fact I know a LE officer who actually shot himself in the hand with one of these rounds.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon

Also I think I already cleared up the "cop killer" round thing in an above reply.

 

[poonman]

How come the Big Tobacco companies aren't jumping on the band wagon , and embracing this new opportunity to make profits ?
...or have they ? ( they realize they can't stop it )

Brand name E-cigs , selling their own brand of e-juices and accessories .

 

[RUDE BOY]

@Caligula I had 44mag Teflon/Brass rounds in the '80s

You go anywhere around here where kids are hanging out and you see a bunch of e-cigs, So with recent pieces in the newspapers saying you can vaporize MJ with an e-cig they are getting noticed more.

 

[SpruceGruve]

How come the Big Tobacco companies aren't jumping on the band wagon , and embracing this new opportunity to make profits ?
...or have they ? ( they realize they can't stop it )

Brand name E-cigs , selling their own brand of e-juices and accessories .

There is plenty of room for big tobacco to make a profit in the e-cig market.
Obviously nicoteen solutions they make money off.And they can brand their own e-cigs,carts and flavors of ejuice.

They will still make money,just not a pack of cigs per days worth.......

Edit-spelling

 

[vape4health]

Notice you see the brand "blu" everywhere, guess who owns that brand now, its Lorillard along a few others like Newport. I see this as the trend, if you can't compete with competition you buy them before they get too big to control.
http://www.lorillard.com/#more-110

 

[jdee]

"It's important to protect young people from this deadly habit and to protect people from second-hand smoke," said Councilman Paul Koretz, (...while shilling for big tobacco...)



..meanwhile back in reality

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

The report’s findings can be summarized thusly:

By reviewing over 9,000 observations about the chemistry of the vapor and the liquid in e-cigarettes, Dr. Burstyn was able to determine that the levels of contaminants e-cigarette users are exposed to are insignificant, far below levels that would pose any health risk. Additionally, there is no health risk to bystanders. Proposals to ban e-cigarettes in places where smoking is banned have been based on concern there is a potential risk to bystanders, but the study shows there is no concern.

 

[grokit]

I agree that nicotine juice should be regulated but not e-cigs/vaporizers.

It's not about secondhand smoke here, it's about control of others. Who's to say that what I am vaping is illegal? Without a prescription I could be vaping holy basil or catnip, that's illegal now?

If there's no smoke, there's no secondhand smoke. We're talking water vapor here folks!

 

[Caligula]

I agree that nicotine juice should be regulated but not e-cigs/vaporizers.

It's not about secondhand smoke here, it's about control of others. Who's to say that what I am vaping is illegal? Without a prescription I could be vaping holy basil or catnip, that's illegal now?

If there's no smoke, there's no secondhand smoke. We're talking water vapor here folks!

I cant say thats completely true. Theres no way we absorb all of the active compounds that we inhale. What the % is, IDK but I'm pretty sure its not all H2O on the exhale.

Also not sure I want to inhale vaped catnip be it directly or because the guy next to me is blowing out clouds of it.

 

[Denver912]

Black talons won't pierce a vest. That's the legend part. It's just a really exspansive round.

 

[grokit]

I cant say thats completely true. Theres no way we absorb all of the active compounds that we inhale. What the % is, IDK but I'm pretty sure its not all H2O on the exhale.

Also not sure I want to inhale vaped catnip be it directly or because the guy next to me is blowing out clouds of it.

I never said all you inhale is water. I just said that you're not inhaling any smoke.

And absolutely definitely nobody is inhaling second-hand smoke from an e-cig, which is way worse.

 

[Caligula]

Maybe I misunderstood? I'm not arguing which is worse than the other in terms of the health of bystanders. I'm simply saying that even if there is just water vapor and trace amounts of nicotine being exhaled, "no smoking" rules should still apply. I dont really need someone hitting their mod next to my kid at the restaurant. You know? I really wasn't trying to comment on laws regarding the sale of ecigs or vapes.

 

[poonman]

Maybe they can start to change perception with changing the name
from E-Cigs to something else like E-Vapors . To further separate themselves from cigarettes/smoke .

 

[SpruceGruve]

Maybe I misunderstood? I'm not arguing which is worse than the other in terms of the health of bystanders. I'm simply saying that even if there is just water vapor and trace amounts of nicotine being exhaled, "no smoking" rules should still apply. I dont really need someone hitting their mod next to my kid at the restaurant. You know? I really wasn't trying to comment on laws regarding the sale of ecigs or vapes.

I agree completely.i smoked cigs for years.I always smoked in my garage,or outside....
Now that I vape e-cigs I still smoke in my garage or outside.....never inside(or wherever smokeing is banned)

I know there is not much bad stuff being exhaled when I vape e-cigs.......but it's still got SOME bad stuff..
I have had people arguing that there is no risk of breathing in e-cig vapor,...I tell them to go blow it in their kids face,see how comfortable they are with that

 

[Dreamerr]

AT&T Park banned ecigs and any kind of vaporizers last year, in addition to adding metal detectors at the entrance, as all MLB parks will do, I believe. I have mixed feelings about ecigs. There seems to be a gold rush going on with various retailers self branding cheap components and marking them up considerably and making specioous claims regarding their capabilities, such as saying that they will vaporize dry herb. Witness the notorious Atmos Raw. Unfortunately this has stigmatized legitimate manufacturers like VB and retailer Vapor Warehouse, which seem to me to be forthright about the benefits and limitations of their device. My fear is that they get thrown under the bus along with the less scrupulous companies. I have noticed that in the Bay Area that ecigs for many people have become almost synonymous with vaporizers. Several stores that call themselves vaporizer shops sell nothing but ecigs.

So now with the maybe new regs we can take packs of ciggs into the stadium but not ecigs even if we don't use them. I don't get this shit. You need a clear bag for a lot of stadiums now but most of the stuff you can't bring in and have to leave in your car if you drove or home if you didn't. I know there is a lot of stuff you need when you are out they you can't bring in anymore. Thankfully I don't go anywhere anymore and don't have to worry about all these new stupid rules.