t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Oh thats true but its not as easy as it looks in the movies and on tv. Also its hard on the gun and it can hurt like hell thats why Tuco wore one of these on his left hand . . .
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WTF Is Wrong With America And Gun Control?
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ichibaneye
Vapriot, Traveler & Vaporizer/ing lover!
A armed society is a mostly polite society. Nothing is through the roof. Fun crimes are the lowest in recorded history. Don't let the dummy box government talking points brain wash you. Criminals kill people not guns. Grey off the b.s. side show ish. Know and read your rights... It's ones duty as an American. Otherwise you're ignorant. Liberty needs to be supreme again. No more tyranny!
Australia is now talking allowing the military in civil matters because some nutter managed to take a bunch of unarmed citizens hostage with a shitty pump action shotgun (highly regulated here by the way where I'd imagine less than 500 permits would be issued nation wide)
Threw out so Islamic state rubbish (later found unaffiliated) then the cops burst in and shot more than he did.
If this nutters got one, police that can't shoot straight and the military which will soon be deployed against citizens have them, then I'd probably prefer it if the other 99% fit and proper people out there have one too.
Threw out so Islamic state rubbish (later found unaffiliated) then the cops burst in and shot more than he did.
If this nutters got one, police that can't shoot straight and the military which will soon be deployed against citizens have them, then I'd probably prefer it if the other 99% fit and proper people out there have one too.
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
"Criminals kill people not guns".... Yep! And carpenters don't drive nails, hammers and nail guns do. But,you take both out of their toolboxes and they're gonna be out of work.
People are going to kill people. Always have, probably always will. Do we really need to make it so easy to do? Or, so quick? I agree in some of your premise, I think. Guns are just a tool, a tool to kill and pretty much nothing else, but a tool that can be misused as easily as used properly. Shouldn't we get the same safety assurances and have the same restrictions as we do for other dangerous tools, like vehicles? Where I live I can pick up a pistol of damned near any caliber, or a semi-auto weapon in less than 3 days, and have a concealed carry permit in just another few hours. Total cost (not including weapon and ammo), is less than half of my 4 year driver's license fee - and I have to pay it every four years. The driver's license also requires more time, background checks and testing (both on paper and a driving test).
I'm not even saying we should put all the same restrictions on gun purchases/ownership as on driver's licenses, but shouldn't there be more restrictions and checks for guns compared to how we do most everything else? I mean cars aren't designed to kill, though they can. And, we have so much motor vehicle legislation that I can be ticketed heavily for going over the speed limit, texting, talking on phone in many states - hell, even for not wearing my seat belt. As compared to loose regulation on guns that ARE designed to kill people. In what universe or dimension would you say this makes sense?
@Tommy10 ... I honestly don't follow it too well, but what has happened to gun deaths and gun violence rates since the change in gun laws over there? One nutter (wacko, right?) getting a gun and a sloppily handled hostage situation means that should all be thrown out? You don't say how many were killed - and hope not many at all - but doesn't seem like as many as would have died over past few years if not for tightened gun laws. Really, I don't know. I don't follow things over there too closely. But, I do know gun violence issues over there aren't the same or as bad as over here - and never were.
If you find perfect anywhere in anything, let us know. But, in the meantime better is still better, right? Or, you're the type to think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater? Not sure about MMJ laws there, but here some states have better programs than others, and I think most (not just here, or in our community - but ALL people) support recreational use and public sales. Since some of those state MMJ systems are a mess, we should just throw everything out and eliminate any MMJ or rec programs because they're not perfect?
Gun regulation needs to be fixed - both here and there, and maybe in opposite directions. More limitations here, and less there. But, nowhere should everything related to guns just be thrown out - same as pretty much everything else. To compare to MJ legislation again.... while I'm full in favor of legal recreational weed, I don't think you should be able to sell it to 12 year olds.
People are going to kill people. Always have, probably always will. Do we really need to make it so easy to do? Or, so quick? I agree in some of your premise, I think. Guns are just a tool, a tool to kill and pretty much nothing else, but a tool that can be misused as easily as used properly. Shouldn't we get the same safety assurances and have the same restrictions as we do for other dangerous tools, like vehicles? Where I live I can pick up a pistol of damned near any caliber, or a semi-auto weapon in less than 3 days, and have a concealed carry permit in just another few hours. Total cost (not including weapon and ammo), is less than half of my 4 year driver's license fee - and I have to pay it every four years. The driver's license also requires more time, background checks and testing (both on paper and a driving test).
I'm not even saying we should put all the same restrictions on gun purchases/ownership as on driver's licenses, but shouldn't there be more restrictions and checks for guns compared to how we do most everything else? I mean cars aren't designed to kill, though they can. And, we have so much motor vehicle legislation that I can be ticketed heavily for going over the speed limit, texting, talking on phone in many states - hell, even for not wearing my seat belt. As compared to loose regulation on guns that ARE designed to kill people. In what universe or dimension would you say this makes sense?
@Tommy10 ... I honestly don't follow it too well, but what has happened to gun deaths and gun violence rates since the change in gun laws over there? One nutter (wacko, right?) getting a gun and a sloppily handled hostage situation means that should all be thrown out? You don't say how many were killed - and hope not many at all - but doesn't seem like as many as would have died over past few years if not for tightened gun laws. Really, I don't know. I don't follow things over there too closely. But, I do know gun violence issues over there aren't the same or as bad as over here - and never were.
If you find perfect anywhere in anything, let us know. But, in the meantime better is still better, right? Or, you're the type to think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater? Not sure about MMJ laws there, but here some states have better programs than others, and I think most (not just here, or in our community - but ALL people) support recreational use and public sales. Since some of those state MMJ systems are a mess, we should just throw everything out and eliminate any MMJ or rec programs because they're not perfect?
Gun regulation needs to be fixed - both here and there, and maybe in opposite directions. More limitations here, and less there. But, nowhere should everything related to guns just be thrown out - same as pretty much everything else. To compare to MJ legislation again.... while I'm full in favor of legal recreational weed, I don't think you should be able to sell it to 12 year olds.
Basically nothing. Gun crime has been on a steady decrease since long before our gun steal back (Australian gun laws would make a Canadian liberal mad)
Gun related suicide has decreased since the steal back, but that raises the question of the individual and if the government is allowed to police ones means of harming themselves.
Gun related suicide has decreased since the steal back, but that raises the question of the individual and if the government is allowed to police ones means of harming themselves.
Stevenski
Enter the Dragon
Gun crime has been on the decrease but crooks will always have access to firearms for committing criminal acts. It is just the general population that is disarmed & defenseless. Not saying it should be a free for all in Oz but some common sense should be applied to our gun laws. I remember post gun buyback there were a flood of guns to the black market & even a drive by on Lakemba police station so it worked well. That said we have not had another mass shooting since Port Arthur & for that I am grateful.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
Good post. Though I disagree with some of it.
If I'm a criminal and you take my tool (gun) away, I'm still a criminal. I'll grab a knife. I'll make my own gun. Simple explosives are not difficult to make....I'll use my car, my fists, a fire poker, a samurai sword, etc. Or I'll get a gun on the black market if they aren't totally banned. I'll find a tool and use it for injury/intimidation.
Your idea about how one nut in Aussie shouldn't really be taken as an example as to why their gun laws are bad/failed, I agree with. But while we may have more shootings than other countries, please also be aware that those shootings and violence are also the minority, just like that Aussie nut. The majority of gun owners are responsible and not killing each other.
I think too many Americans are to the right/centre right to be for an all around gun ban to ever be implemented.
I think Ammo should be highly taxed. And/or serially identified.....not sure how you could verify that I "missed" 2 shots at a deer in the woods and not just pocket that ammo later to kill someone though........it's a complex problem and issue though, agree that we should know where guns are and they should be regulated. To what degree, I don't know.
Truthfully, I have never owned a gun because I'm not a hunter (big around me). Nor have I ever owned one for self protection, but that was more cause of living arrangements........I was worried about stinking up my apartment's hallways with dank and having someone ask to search.......a gun would only add to my list of problems if that happened. At least that was my belief, because I usually had an ounce of personal meds and a few grams of concentrate......didn't know the laws and did not like the idea of an extra charge because I had a gun during the crime (possession of potentially more than 30gs).......that said I just looked online and looks like that really only applies to "drug trafficking" type of crimes which I think I would of been in the clear in.
So, with regards to "how this would impact me" I have no qualms with tighter and stricter regulations. But, on principle/belief, I don't like the idea of a majority having to curtail their rights because of a few bad apple minority. To what degree the regulations are, I don't know, but I can't help but feel they would over regulate, monitor, etc.
I also think that there is no way that any gun control will ever pass unless the middle of the road can work together. Those House Dems who sat on the floor, I've never made shy how childlike, whiny, and pouty that approach was......their point has been all but lost because of how they approached it. And the right wingers who are supplied by the NRA need to realize that regulation doesn't mean necessarily that they are going to take away your guns, and the point to have "limited regulation" is lost because they are zealots in that regard. Dems who say that all guns should go away because they are evil tools and only cause issues, those Dems are part of the problem. Repubs who say that its their "god given" right to own a gun and that guns cause/correlated with NO issues, they are also part of the problem.
Just my thoughts, heres a video of a guy making a shotgun out of simple stuff and then testing it later:
Pretty wild
Farid
Well-Known Member
My problem is that I don't hunt. I am against killing animals because I am afraid I would miss and injure them. Plus I do not like the idea of killing.
That said, I love shooting at the range. The type of shooting that you do at the range is different from the type you do hunting. Hunters need a high power round, and are trained to shoot to kill, so as not to cause pain to the animal. This means that a high power rifle, often single shot (bolt action), is ideal.
When you are at the range you are practicing shooting at a relatively short distance (unless you're at a large outdoor range). This means that the fun comes from shooting quickly, versus taking long aimed out shots. There is a different thrill to both, and I don't think either should be restricted.
Why should guns that people shoot at the range be restricted but hunting rifles are not? It's all about wording. If I was trying to ban hunting rifles I'd call them "sniper rifles" because they are the exact same thing. Same goes for people trying to ban "assault rifles". Instead of just calling them semi automatic rifles, we use the term "assault rifle" which has a very ambiguous definition.
Why should this be considred an assault rifle:
http://www.bomanufacture.com/bibliotheque-bom/photos-produits/ar10100-BD.jpg
And this not considered an assault rifle:
http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2010/11/P1090386-1.jpg
They both shoot the same round. Neither weapon is fully automatic. The only real difference is that the AK has a pistol grip and the SKS does not.
Not to mention the instant you start restricting other people's hobby, expect them to restrict yours. I think we should let gun enthusiasts enjoy their hobby, and they should let cannabis enthusiasts enjoy our hobby, as they are both things which have a history of restriction around the world.
That said, I love shooting at the range. The type of shooting that you do at the range is different from the type you do hunting. Hunters need a high power round, and are trained to shoot to kill, so as not to cause pain to the animal. This means that a high power rifle, often single shot (bolt action), is ideal.
When you are at the range you are practicing shooting at a relatively short distance (unless you're at a large outdoor range). This means that the fun comes from shooting quickly, versus taking long aimed out shots. There is a different thrill to both, and I don't think either should be restricted.
Why should guns that people shoot at the range be restricted but hunting rifles are not? It's all about wording. If I was trying to ban hunting rifles I'd call them "sniper rifles" because they are the exact same thing. Same goes for people trying to ban "assault rifles". Instead of just calling them semi automatic rifles, we use the term "assault rifle" which has a very ambiguous definition.
Why should this be considred an assault rifle:
http://www.bomanufacture.com/bibliotheque-bom/photos-produits/ar10100-BD.jpg
And this not considered an assault rifle:
http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2010/11/P1090386-1.jpg
They both shoot the same round. Neither weapon is fully automatic. The only real difference is that the AK has a pistol grip and the SKS does not.
Not to mention the instant you start restricting other people's hobby, expect them to restrict yours. I think we should let gun enthusiasts enjoy their hobby, and they should let cannabis enthusiasts enjoy our hobby, as they are both things which have a history of restriction around the world.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Other countries have banned certain types of guns and have been successful. Or they have outright banned them. It's unreal the difference in gun deaths, you can't argue with that.
Some folks are so worried that their guns will be taken away by the democrats - its a sense of paranoia. That's all we've been hearing about Obama and Clinton for the last 10 years.
The way the second amendment is worded, it was to protect yourself back in the 1700s in case a government takes over your country. It doesn't have anything to do with normal life as of today.
I see other countries such as Australia they even have gun ranges for people to use guns as sport. You would use the gun at the gun range. The gun is owned by the outlet. These places do really well and give the customer an opportunity to shoot a gun at a supervised venue.
I know banning guns probably wouldnt work in our society because of how many gun enthusiasts and collectors there are. There needs to be something done - even following through with some of the laws. We have a lot of gun shows in the area where I live. There is very little oversight. I realize these aren't the people doing the killing, for the most part.
I think slowly over several years to get a little more restrictive so it doesn't seem like a drastic change. Lawmakers need to put some common sense laws in place and make sure they are applied.
I live about 60 miles from Seattle and there are shootings constantly. I would feel unsafe living in certain areas of Seattle and Tacoma. We shouldn't have to feel afraid. That's taking away my rights.
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I realize bad things are still going to happen but it's unacceptable for a person to die every 17 min - killed either by a suicide or a murder. Where else does that happen? Maybe during a war? I know we can't or won't have drastic changes right away but slowly moving in the right direction would be a positive path.
The NRA has a choke hold on our lawmakers. They need to grow some balls and do the right thing for American's safety in our largest cities and communities.
Most people arent killed due to terrorism in America with guns. Not as of yet anyway. Hopefully never.
Some folks are so worried that their guns will be taken away by the democrats - its a sense of paranoia. That's all we've been hearing about Obama and Clinton for the last 10 years.
The way the second amendment is worded, it was to protect yourself back in the 1700s in case a government takes over your country. It doesn't have anything to do with normal life as of today.
I see other countries such as Australia they even have gun ranges for people to use guns as sport. You would use the gun at the gun range. The gun is owned by the outlet. These places do really well and give the customer an opportunity to shoot a gun at a supervised venue.
I know banning guns probably wouldnt work in our society because of how many gun enthusiasts and collectors there are. There needs to be something done - even following through with some of the laws. We have a lot of gun shows in the area where I live. There is very little oversight. I realize these aren't the people doing the killing, for the most part.
I think slowly over several years to get a little more restrictive so it doesn't seem like a drastic change. Lawmakers need to put some common sense laws in place and make sure they are applied.
I live about 60 miles from Seattle and there are shootings constantly. I would feel unsafe living in certain areas of Seattle and Tacoma. We shouldn't have to feel afraid. That's taking away my rights.
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I realize bad things are still going to happen but it's unacceptable for a person to die every 17 min - killed either by a suicide or a murder. Where else does that happen? Maybe during a war? I know we can't or won't have drastic changes right away but slowly moving in the right direction would be a positive path.
The NRA has a choke hold on our lawmakers. They need to grow some balls and do the right thing for American's safety in our largest cities and communities.
Most people arent killed due to terrorism in America with guns. Not as of yet anyway. Hopefully never.
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Farid
Well-Known Member
^Forcing gun owners to rent a gun from a range every time they shoot is like forcing cannabis users to only vape at certified government cannabis bars, where cannabis can only be consumed on the premises.
There are lots of people in Maine VT or other rural states where they have enough land to shoot in their back yard safely. They do not need to go to the range to shoot.
How do you define success? France's ban on weapons did not stop ISIS sickos from getting their hands on fully automatic weapons. Any criminal with a computer can get on the dark net and order an illegal firearm.
As for the "certain types of guns banned in other countries" I don't know what you are talking about, you must be more specific. In the United States, automatic firearms are illegal to posses, which I think is fine. Do you want to ban semi automatic guns? Guns with certain cosmetic features? Single action guns?
Going by gun deaths is only valid if suicide is left out. If guns are banned of course people will kill themselves other ways, so that shouldn't be included.
There are lots of people in Maine VT or other rural states where they have enough land to shoot in their back yard safely. They do not need to go to the range to shoot.
How do you define success? France's ban on weapons did not stop ISIS sickos from getting their hands on fully automatic weapons. Any criminal with a computer can get on the dark net and order an illegal firearm.
As for the "certain types of guns banned in other countries" I don't know what you are talking about, you must be more specific. In the United States, automatic firearms are illegal to posses, which I think is fine. Do you want to ban semi automatic guns? Guns with certain cosmetic features? Single action guns?
Going by gun deaths is only valid if suicide is left out. If guns are banned of course people will kill themselves other ways, so that shouldn't be included.
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ichibaneye
Vapriot, Traveler & Vaporizer/ing lover!
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Farid
Well-Known Member
Closing loopholes as in ending private purchase? Because that just helps gun companies, and increases the number of guns on the streets.
Think of it this way. If I am not allowed to sell my old gun, when I buy a new gun, the old one will go into a safe, and there will be one more gun on the street. If I am allowed to sell it, that person who would have otherwise purchased a new gun is using my old one, and there is one less sale to a gun manufacturer.
The compromise is government buyback programs, which is extremely costly and a waste of resources.
The best way to deal with the gun violence problem in America is to go after violent people. If a person is a serious risk to society with a gun, I frankly don't want them in society period. If they are a risk to themselves they should be restricted from having guns, and that is how the system currently is.
I know several people who have ended their own life, only one of them was with a gun. The other hung himself, and another took pills. It's a terrible thing, but the means with which they ended their life has a lot less to do with it than the circumstances which led them to that decision. Banning guns would not change the suicide rate.
Guns being banned might lower the number of accidental gun deaths, but then you'd have an increase of deaths from potato guns, muskets, and such. When I was a kid I was big into making home made pneumatic rifles using sprinkler valves. These things put regular potato guns to shame. Tons of people on the forum where we discussed building the guns were Australian because of the gun bans there.
I can guarantee you that working with home made pneumatic rifles is FAR more dangerous than shooting real steel at the range. Without a doubt. Between exploding PVC and accidental discharges, accidents are a real risk in the spud gun world.
Think of it this way. If I am not allowed to sell my old gun, when I buy a new gun, the old one will go into a safe, and there will be one more gun on the street. If I am allowed to sell it, that person who would have otherwise purchased a new gun is using my old one, and there is one less sale to a gun manufacturer.
The compromise is government buyback programs, which is extremely costly and a waste of resources.
The best way to deal with the gun violence problem in America is to go after violent people. If a person is a serious risk to society with a gun, I frankly don't want them in society period. If they are a risk to themselves they should be restricted from having guns, and that is how the system currently is.
I know several people who have ended their own life, only one of them was with a gun. The other hung himself, and another took pills. It's a terrible thing, but the means with which they ended their life has a lot less to do with it than the circumstances which led them to that decision. Banning guns would not change the suicide rate.
Guns being banned might lower the number of accidental gun deaths, but then you'd have an increase of deaths from potato guns, muskets, and such. When I was a kid I was big into making home made pneumatic rifles using sprinkler valves. These things put regular potato guns to shame. Tons of people on the forum where we discussed building the guns were Australian because of the gun bans there.
I can guarantee you that working with home made pneumatic rifles is FAR more dangerous than shooting real steel at the range. Without a doubt. Between exploding PVC and accidental discharges, accidents are a real risk in the spud gun world.
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killick
But I like it!
I have a buddy that doesn't go fishing without a 9mm in his tackle box and a .357 in a shoulder holster. Not because he's afraid of being robbed. He doesn't want to get eaten by a bear. Thats the hazards of living in bear country, but it also happens to be illegal in Canuckistan. Buddy is a cop. He'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I agree.
There is no single great solution to gun/ammo/wingnut control. People in urban areas have different reasons than rural residents, and the rules are always slanted towards the urbanites, making most rural residents criminals simply by trying to keep themselves safe.
There are more people killed by cows each year than by sharks. And vending machines. Play safe out there...
There is no single great solution to gun/ammo/wingnut control. People in urban areas have different reasons than rural residents, and the rules are always slanted towards the urbanites, making most rural residents criminals simply by trying to keep themselves safe.
There are more people killed by cows each year than by sharks. And vending machines. Play safe out there...
grokit
well-worn member
To sell your gun, all you have to do is to put it on consignment at a gun shop. If you want to sell it privately, just have a shop file the paperwork for both buyer and seller, which is totally worth it for liability issues.
We need to stop untracked purchases (gun shows etc), and improve background checks for
Stevenski
Enter the Dragon
It is happening daily in America. Ask the families living in urban war zones if they don't live in terror & have children with PTSD. Much like the IRA/UVF these urban terrorists prey on their own communities first & foremost & keep them in line through fear of consequences.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
The criminals will always have the guns they want, even if they have to fabricate them. With the proper skills you can take some bar steel and have a 9mm in a week. They do it in the Philippines every day. The people on this last shooting in Chicago, they were convicted felons, out on parole, and they still had all the guns they wanted. We can't blame an inanimate object for this and we can't allow law abiding citizens to be disarmed creating a pool of unarmed victims. The largest group buying guns now is women. Think about it.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Most folks that get killed in the streets in America are killed by other Americans not terrorism from other countries. I will reword it - it is domestic terrorism. Commenting from my above post and answering @Stevenski . It doesn't have to be like the Wild Wild West in our major cities. Folks shouldn't feel afraid to go out at night.
It's such a head scratcher to me. Like MJ I don't see either of these issues being anymore than a black and white don't tell me how to live my life. The idea of passing anything off for public safety to me is a sneaky way of attacking freedom and blaming the greater good.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
No its not, its called crime. ViceLand just did a great series on the illegal gun trade and centered a lot of that program in Chicago. They interviewed professional criminals and discovered that the shooting rate was not only from drug dealing, an artifact of prohibition, but also from what they called "pussy and pride".
There is no way to outlaw this behavior more than it has been. Law enforcement must intervene at a higher level than now, probably socially unacceptable, to turn this situation around.
Otherwise you must accept it as a cost of the freedom we now enjoy.
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Many good points above, but the fact remains that too many people are killed by guns in the US. I'm not suggesting guns should be outlawed. I'm not giving mine up. But, existing laws should be enforced and the all too common and lucrative straw gun purchasers should be eliminated by any means necessary.
The whole bit about people making their own guns to prove they'll never be able to outlaw them kind of cracks me up. I don't know of anybody suggesting all guns be rounded and not another sold. Nobody remotely reasonable anyway. And, if you wanna build your own gun for shits and giggles - I hope it works well or all hail Darwin.
The problem is that guns are way too easy to get, and even easier to buy by the dozen at a rural gunshop or gunshow, then cart them an hour or less into a rough urban ares where you can easily get double the price selling illegally. Do you really think gangbangers could or would build their own shotgun? And, truth be told if they want to shoot each other, I don't have too much problem with it. My problem is that they usually shoot wildly, and often from around a corner. Loose flying bullets in densely populated areas kill lots of people other than the gangbangers who are firing around corners, or know the shots are coming and take cover.
The whole bit about people making their own guns to prove they'll never be able to outlaw them kind of cracks me up. I don't know of anybody suggesting all guns be rounded and not another sold. Nobody remotely reasonable anyway. And, if you wanna build your own gun for shits and giggles - I hope it works well or all hail Darwin.
The problem is that guns are way too easy to get, and even easier to buy by the dozen at a rural gunshop or gunshow, then cart them an hour or less into a rough urban ares where you can easily get double the price selling illegally. Do you really think gangbangers could or would build their own shotgun? And, truth be told if they want to shoot each other, I don't have too much problem with it. My problem is that they usually shoot wildly, and often from around a corner. Loose flying bullets in densely populated areas kill lots of people other than the gangbangers who are firing around corners, or know the shots are coming and take cover.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
More people, than you would care to admit, are saved by being armed. It just doesn't make news. If you look for it plenty of facts from police reports, the government, FBI statistics, corroborated with evidence from anecdotal reports, point to many lives being saved by people being armed. All gun free zones do is create a pool of defenseless, innocent victims. Remember, when seconds count, 'first' responders are minutes away. Which is why you need to be your own first responder.
Yes. And if you cut off the trade they will just manufacture or illegally import what they want. Why do we pass laws to inhibit peaceful, law abiding citizens from protecting themselves when the criminals will do what they please?
It depends on where you live. In Oregon, I cannot sell a firearm without a background check on the person that I am selling it to. This means a dealer is involved with state and federal oversight as well.
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flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Maybe that's part of the perception problem. Here on the east coast it's free trade for straw purchasers. You really think teenagers slinging drugs on the corner are going to make guns? Most can hardly tie their own shoes.
I don't doubt many are saved by guns, and agree that's a good thing. Please take a look at my post above again. I can buy a gun in 3 days and have a concealed carry permit the afternoon I pick it up. And, I can buy as many damned guns as I like. Makes it pretty easy to stock up quickly to go on a killing spree, or for those who want to turn a quick profit from people who can't legally buy.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Yes. This is your privilege of being a law abiding citizen, and I thank you for learning about firearms to get your permit and carry to protect yourself and others. This comes with a HUGE responsibility that most never think of. I hope you do good for your sake, your families, and everyone else in your community.
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