Why do millions love vapes, but some hate them ?

[Herr_Dampf]

When you don´t like the thread, why do you read and post in it ?

I would never waste my time reading a thread, that is not interesting, or telling the threadowner, that his thread is ....

I make this for the people, who like it, not for the ones, who don´t like it.

May be you should know, that not everything you google or read on the net is true.

We are at the end of middleage.

What is your first language? You seem to have issues understanding what I wrote, if german would help, I'd be happy to continue this via PM.

I never said I dislike the thread, or your person. I was the only person in here threating you with something that resembles respect and your reaction to my last post leaves me with 3 options. Assuming:
a)you have issues grasping what I wrote due to language problems
b)you are trolling me hard
c)the "lets not go there" option

EDIT: "In Latin Jehovah begins with an 'I'!" - Dr. Jones

 

[cityslang]

Just worked out I could easily smoke a quarter oz of tobacco in a day. If I tried that with green I'd pass out after an hour of trying. I used to know a guy who smoked 200 cigarettes a day he chain smoked using one to light the next.

And as for the claims that canna smoke is 6 times more harmful than tobacco how on earth do they arrive at this? It's only when you stop smoking tobacco do you really feel how bad it was.

 

[Caligula]

I think thats a reference to an older study regarding the amount of "tar" which gets into the lungs. Basically they figured that because people tend to hold in MJ hits versus inhale/exhale of average tobacco smokers, more "tar" (resin) can be deposited per "hit" of MJ versus tobacco.

Makes sense except they failed to take into consideration what that "tar" is made of. Id much rather 6x (IDK if thats a legit number im just using this as an example) MJ "tar" in my lungs than any amount of tobacco resin.

 

[Vapewithfire]

And as for the claims that canna smoke is 6 times more harmful than tobacco how on earth do they arrive at this? It's only when you stop smoking tobacco do you really feel how bad it was.

I think it is not 6 times more harmful, but up to 5 or 6 times more condensate in
it ( smoked ).
Some say tobaccosmoke is more harmful, because it goes into the small "lung ways", but smoking 1 gramm weed is extremely more condensate, than smoking 1 gramm of tobacco. That´s why i vape my weed and tobacco, i need only 3 gramms of american spirit ( tobacco with water instead of chemical lace ) for a day instead of 1 to 2 packs of cigarettes.

 

[Caligula]

These are Grammys:

This is a gram:

 

[vtac]

When you don´t like the thread, why do you read and post in it ?

I would never waste my time reading a thread, that is not interesting, or telling the threadowner, that his thread is ....

I make this for the people, who like it, not for the ones, who don´t like it.

To be clear, a creator of a thread does not own said thread or have any immunity to the forum rules.

May be you should know, that not everything you google or read on the net is true.

Quite right. The forum rules cover this and we take it rather seriously here.

• Please try to stay within your area of experience when commenting or advising.
• Do not state opinion as fact. We don’t want to spread misinformation.

With that in mind I'm going to have to ask you to provide links to reputable sources that back up your statements. If you can't, you'll have to rethink what you're typing.

To everyone else, thanks for keeping it mature and rational. If you think that someone may be breaking the forum rules please use the report feature. Please don't call them a troll, as that may be considered flaming.

Let's keep the thread title in mind as well.

 

[cityslang]

I think thats a reference to an older study regarding the amount of "tar" which gets into the lungs. Basically they figured that because people tend to hold in MJ hits versus inhale/exhale of average tobacco smokers, more "tar" (resin) can be deposited per "hit" of MJ versus tobacco.

Makes sense except they failed to take into consideration what that "tar" is made of. Id much rather 6x (IDK if thats a legit number im just using this as an example) MJ "tar" in my lungs than any amount of tobacco resin.

In this study did they just test tobacco only smokers v tobacco/cannabis v non smokers? If so how flawed is that!

 

[Caligula]

In this study did they just test tobacco only smokers v tobacco/cannabis v non smokers? If so how flawed is that!

Im only going off of what I remember. This was a decade or more ago. Ill see if I can find more info on this.

 

[Vapewithfire]

With that in mind I'm going to have to ask you to provide links to reputable sources that back up your statements. If you can't, you'll have to rethink what you're typing.

Following quote should make something clear. There stands fatty material on your arterie wall closes the arteries and causes smokers leg like problems.
I´m sure the condensate of smoking belongs to those fatty materials.:


Smoking can damage blood vessel walls, making it more difficult for your heart to pump blood to your hands and feet. In serious cases, this can lead to peripheral vascular disease (PVD).

PVD occurs when the arteries that carrry blood to your legs or arms become partially or totally blocked by the build up of fatty material on your artery wall. This may result in severe pain, especially when exercising. Other symptoms may include numbness, weakness or a feeling of heaviness in your legs, cool patches of skin on your feet or legs, sores or ulcers on your feet that do not heal properly, and brittle toenails. PVD can also lead to gangrene and amputation.

 

[RUDE BOY]

I´m sure the condensate of smoking belongs to those fatty materials.:

Don't Know what you mean by the term "condensate". You cannot inhale "fatty materials" and metabolize them into the blood stream. It just does not work that way.

 

[Vapewithfire]

Don't Know what you mean by the term "condensate". You cannot inhale "fatty materials" and metabolize them into the blood stream. It just does not work that way.

With condensate i mean the tar of smoke. It is not only fatty material, they mean sticky material, i guezz. Smoke, tar or condensate, however you call it, is very sticky and is in your blood and goes through your whole body. Where there are bigger amounts of it, there are the tar or fat stickers, i guezz.

My homemade theory: ( guezz- and internetwork )

Tar or fat stickers, most times a mixture of it, closes the arteries and causes
"dying leg", called smokers leg. When one fat- or tarsticker is sticked, the others will stick at them. Islands of fat or condensate. Caused by tar or too much fat in the food.
You can eat oil, drink oil, smoke oil and may be even vape oil or fatty substances. They are in your blood, and travel around your whole body from legs to the brain,
i think.
( smokers brain ? )

Great therapy for fatty arteries is garlic. Sometimes i eat a meal with very much garlic in it, this cleans the arteries. ( up to 50 gramms real garlic ).
Only negative effect, some hate the smell of garlic. Your whole body seems to exhale garlic, that´s why i do it only sometimes.
Great for heart, blood and body and mood.

 

[RUDE BOY]

My homemade theory: ( guezz- and internetwork )

your theory isn't right. You need to do research in how the body works because you seem to discount the processes at work here. No one has Tar deposits in their blood or body except heavy smokers who have tar on their lungs. Nothing flows along with your blood, no little bits of tar or resin.

Now tell us all about some choice Buds you found and Vaporized and why you love vape's yourself.


I myself, I love vaporizing and I don't know anyone who says they hate it.

 

[vtac]

Following quote should make something clear.

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Let me try again. Do not make any further claims without linking a reputable supporting source. If you do I'll be forced to give you a warning point which will limit your posting ability.

Without picking apart your posts too much, here is an example of what I'm talking about:

Smoke, tar or condensate, however you call it, is very sticky and is in your blood and goes through your whole body.

Tar is a bad thing to have in your body without a doubt, but the references I'm looking at make no mention of it traversing the bloodstream as you're implying.

http://www.quitnow.gov.au/internet/quitnow/publishing.nsf/Content/smoking-and-tar
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Smoking_effects_on_your_body
http://www.lung.ca/children/grades4_6/tobacco/smoking_and_your_health.html

Once again: Do not make any further claims without linking a reputable supporting source. If you do I'll be forced to give you a warning point which will limit your posting ability. Thank you!

 

[Vapewithfire]

Now tell us all about some choice Buds you found and Vaporized and why you love vape's yourself.


I myself, I love vaporizing and I don't know anyone who says they hate it.

My favourite buds or strains are:

purple haze
Silver haze
White widdow
Northern lights
Blueberry
Amnesia haze

My favourite hash is still the green one, as clean as possible.
Today i vape zero zero, 50 mg of it vaped with fire or heat gun is enough, for the calm, happy and clean high. I use high temperature, to get all cbd like substances. ( relaxed mind ? )

I like vaping because my lung and body feels much better, cleaner and healthier
since i quit smoking.
Also i save 50 % of weed compared to bong smoking and i like the high much more than the smoke high. But sometimes, i want the original smoking stonedness.
I know what kind of cruel smokers diseases, i could get. You die slowly and painful. Too good to die, too bad to live.

Most people i met like their vapes, but 1 of 10 says, that he doesn´t like vaping, and will keep on smoking 1,5 Gramms pure joints.
His volcano isn´t making him stoned.

 

[Caligula]

You cannot inhale "fatty materials" and metabolize them into the blood stream. It just does not work that way.

You obviously haven't seen me eat McDonalds fries.

BTW, I think I figured out @Vapewithfire's day job...

 

[arf777]

Disclaimer: I am not the moderator you said might be full of crap, nor am I the one who gave you a point for saying that. I just want to clear something up.

This is a great example of reading something someone else said, taking it as being correct, and then repeating it without understanding what you're saying or doing the homework to find the truth of the matter. It is always wise to investigate when dealing with something that contradicts conventional wisdom. Your Yahoo reference draws incorrect conclusions from the NORML/MAPS study, which is much better summarized in the article The California NORML/MAPS Smoking Device Study by Dale Gieringer. He writes:



Notice that he casts doubt on the outcome due to the quality of the cannabis. The reason for this is that the study only considered the ratio of tars to THC, which would obviously be affected by low quality cannabis. It is not justified to conclude that therefor bongs are less healthy than joints, since there are many other unhealthy products of combustion that aren't taken into account.

Also, when looking at a study like this, that is using a THC to tar ratio, keep in mind that THC is itself water soluble - according to the Merck manual, a standard chemistry reference, it dissolves at a rate of 500 micrograms per 500ml of water. So really low THC herb will lose some of its tiny THC load to the water, further skewing the results. Sorry no link - I know of no site with free access to the Merck manual.

And also, cannabis is full of anti-carcinogens, including THC itself - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272059096900482.

Might be right, but maybe it is celldeath caused by "invisible" condensate leavings, may be not. Is there something like necrosis in the arms, i never heard of smokers arm ?

That smokers have a lot of condensate in the lung is clear. I heard some people have nearly a cup of it in the body. That it can go to your stomach and bowel is clear, too.

I thought the little condensate elements are traveling through the blood, and when one point of it becomes bigger, more and more elements will stick "together".
When one element sticks in one of your arteries, there could be an isle of condensate there, a bit later.
The black on the picture looks like an isle of condensate.

It´s all guezzwork.

"It's all guesswork"??? NO, biology is a SCIENCE, dude. There is little to no "guesswork" left re what tobacco does in the human body. It does some very ugly things, but smoke condensate entering the bloodstream and getting into the legs is not one of them.

And necrosis can happen anywhere in the human body. You have heard of "smokers leg" and not "smokers arm" because the aorta does not go into the arms. It does enter the leg. Therefore the leg gets far more of any toxin that is in the bloodstream.

And if "depth of inhalation" had ANYTHING to do with it, pipe and cigar smokers would NEVER get "smokers leg". I don't know what the stats are, but I have known two pipe smokers who developed PVD in their 60s. You don't INHALE pipe or cigar smoke at all - it stays in the mouth (unless you're a serious maniac).

 

[cybrguy]

It might be a good idea to put "Misinformation" into the subject of this thread. I'm just sayin...

 

[Caligula]

It might be a good idea to put "Misinformation" into the subject of this thread. I'm just sayin...

Done.

 

[cybrguy]

Done.

Heh heh heh. Winnah!

 

[lwien]

Watch the whole vid, but then rewind to the best part...........the woman in pink (upper right) and the look on her face at 0:52 !! Kinda like waking up in the middle of dream and finding yourself in the midst of 5000 patients in an insane asylum.

 

[cybrguy]

As a kindness to y'all I will hold my fire. Suffice to say I am NOT a fan of this creature. In general I am not hostile towards anyone, but there are the occasional exceptions.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Calling this vaporizer may be one of the reasons

 

[Vapewithfire]

Another idea, why some people don´t like vaping, and why even vaping at higher temperatures ( up to 300 ° celsius ) is not exactly the same as smoking is:

It is not only that you get less or no cbd & co., when you vape with temperatures under 230 ° celsius, less thc is converted into cbd.

Means, when you smoke you get all the cbd and some of the thc is converted into cbd or co., i red.

Sativa ( less or no cbd ) fans should be fans of vaping, indic ( more cbd ) fans could be more fans of smoking or high temperature vaping.

Vaping with low temperatures ( 180 ° celsius ) is sativa high.
Vaping with higher temperature could be indica high
Smoking should be indica high xl.

Maybe, even when you smoke a 100 % sativa, with 0 % cbd, you would get a bit of cbd ( indica ), because the extreme heat converts some of the thc into cbd.

Low temperature vaping with a pure sativa should be super sativa. ( high )
Smoking a pure indica should be super indica ( stoned & calm ? )

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Another idea, why some people don´t like vaping, and why even vaping at higher temperatures ( up to 300 ° celsius ) is not exactly the same as smoking is:

It is not only that you get less or no cbd & co., when you vape with temperatures under 230 ° celsius, less thc is converted into cbd.

Means, when you smoke you get all the cbd and some of the thc is converted into cbd or co., i red.

Sativa ( less or no cbd ) fans should be fans of vaping, indic ( more cbd ) fans could be more fans of smoking or high temperature vaping.

Vaping with low temperatures ( 180 ° celsius ) is sativa high.
Vaping with higher temperature could be indica high
Smoking should be indica high xl.

Maybe, even when you smoke a 100 % sativa, with 0 % cbd, you would get a bit of cbd ( indica ), because the extreme heat converts some of the thc into cbd.

Low temperature vaping with a pure sativa should be super sativa. ( high )
Smoking a pure indica should be super indica ( stoned & calm ? )

Have you heard of sublimination ? Water evaporates even at 1-2 C .. (not sure exactly , just for instance)
So everything u talk about higher temp vaping happens like you say only in your mind.. those exact temps are pure bullshit.. U will be never able to measure them.. Yeah U..
U can heat something to 250 C with a steam of 230 C for sure.. u just need constant heat..
What i am saying is that when you heatgun says 300 C that doesnt mean your herb is 300 C too..

 

[cityslang]

I still struggle to get euphoria from vaping strains that have a high tendency to give them when smoking. I can get closest with the lotus but never quite as good as smoking.

1) it's all in my head
2) THCV some conflicting statements out there about its vape temperature
3) Somehow some locked in compounds struggle to be freed by vaping?

I still smoke a pure one once a day most days I now find it tastes really horrid beyond all belief I'm sure how much carbon monoxide etc a 1 skin produces? But I get 2 to 3 times the amount in a paper as in any of my vapes and unlike a joint with tobacco half of it doesn't go out the front end but I guess a fair bit of the compounds get killed by the heat of the ember but I also think you must get some vapour produced by the drawing as the heat flows down.

On topic too