Which is the best bag vaporizer?

[Mrmrmrmr]

The main reasons the Super Surfer does not appeal to me is that I already have the best bag vape on the market so I don't need a fan and I own a Silver Surfer which I think is super. This leaves me with LED lighting to get excited about.

That said, I could still want one for xmas.

What is the best bag vape on the market ?

mod note: Please do not hijack threads. Discussion moved to where it should have been in the first place.

 

[grokit]

What is the best bag vape on the market ?

Seems to be the volcano, with a few competent ties for 2nd place.

 

[Mrmrmrmr]

That's surprises me I've heard the HA is superior with bags

 

[lwien]

That's surprises me I've heard the HA is superior with bags

Yeah, but to date, I don't anything can compare to the 'Cano's valve systems.

 

[Mrmrmrmr]

Good point I've tried the Herbie bags and volcano, volcano definitely holds the vapor in without leaking bear as much. I'm not sure it leaked at all with the easy valve.

 

[New_World]

for bags volcano wins.
i just wish the heating chamber was steel instead of aluminum.

 

[SecureSwede]

That's surprises me I've heard the HA is superior with bags

The HA has a horrible bag system due mainly due to the fact the pump is external and the supplies HA gives with the bags are horrendous. The bags are cheap, the clips to attach the bag to the mouthpiece is absolute shit (they are some metal ties that are extremely annoying to work with). So im going to have to say no, the HA isnt that good with bags

Source: I have tried nearly all bag vaporizers...

But I am interested in how the SSV handles bags

 

[lwien]

So im going to have to say no, the HA isnt that good with bags

Lots of people here would disagree with that.

 

[SecureSwede]

Lots of people here would disagree with that.

Sure they can disagree but its no where near the quality of a Zephyr Ion or Volcano. Those are great bag vaporizers, the HA is no where near that tier. So if you want to say the HA is good at bags sure, but its no where close to great. Ease of use and functionality are a huge role...

Moving on though since that is not related to this thread.

 

[nicelytoasted]

The HA has a horrible bag system due mainly due to the fact the pump is external and the supplies HA gives with the bags are horrendous. The bags are cheap, the clips to attach the bag to the mouthpiece is absolute shit (they are some metal ties that are extremely annoying to work with). So im going to have to say no, the HA isnt that good with bags

I disagree. I've used the HA for almost 7 years now and have made all kinds of bags up.

The pump being external is a good thing imo, if ever fails, it is easily replaceable. It does require an extra power outlet, yes, on the older models, not on the elite.

The stock bags worked fine for me, but after they ran out, I just used store bought, oven cooking bags and made up my own. The rad type connectors were a snap to use and re-use, and never leaked, in my experience.

The volcano does come with the valve systems to prevent any leaking, true, but plugging the end with a cap or even a finger for the first hit was no big deal, to me. I found that after a hit, the pressure in the bags equalizes to ambient pressure, so leaking was never a problem.

Considering that the volcano costs 3-4X the HA, and only does bags, the slight tradeoffs are expected, and not a major concern, in my experience/opinion.

 

[SecureSwede]

I disagree. I've used the HA for almost 7 years now and have made all kinds of bags up.

The pump being external is a good thing imo, if ever fails, it is easily replaceable. It does require an extra power outlet, yes, on the older models, not on the elite.

The stock bags worked fine for me, but after they ran out, I just used store bought, oven cooking bags and made up my own. The rad type connectors were a snap to use and re-use, and never leaked, in my experience.

The volcano does come with the valve systems to prevent any leaking, true, but plugging the end with a cap or even a finger for the first hit was no big deal, to me. I found that after a hit, the pressure in the bags equalizes to ambient pressure, so leaking was never a problem.

Considering that the volcano costs 3-4X the HA, and only does bags, the slight tradeoffs are expected, and not a major concern, in my experience/opinion.

Serious question, so you would actually rather see all bag vapes with an external pump rather than built in? Thats essentially what it sounds like.

The pump for the HA is literally just an aquarium pump, pretty cheap IMO.

 

[nicelytoasted]

Not for simple bag only vapes, no, but aside from having to return the entire vape if the internal pump fails, an external pump is great for multimode vapes, which the HA is excels at, imo. Also, it keeps the size (and price) of the vape itself down significantly.

Yes, the oldest pump model was an aquarium pump, and cheap to replace if need be. Since then, they offer a larger, medium flow stock pump, and a high flow pump for the 3-5 bag fills at once (something the volcano or zephyr cannot do), that is the same pump that the volcano offers, iirc.

 

[lwien]

Serious question, so you would actually rather see all bag vapes with an external pump rather than built in? Thats essentially what it sounds like.

Sure would. With an internal pump, if it goes bad, you need to send the whole vaporizer in for repair. With an external pump, like the HA, a quick trip to the aquarium store and you're back to vaping in no time. I would like to hear your feelings of why you think that an internal pump is better.

In regards to your statement that the Ion is a better system, I would tend to disagree as well. The main issue with the Ions is that the hose that fed air from the internal pump to the bag would constantly come lose and disengage. You could open up the vape and try to fix it, but that could void the warranty. Again, with the HA, this is a non-issue.

While this may be a bit off topic, discussing the shortfalls of certain vaporizers that use bags as a delivery system may be a good analysis for an upcoming vape like the SSSV.

 

[grokit]

I believe that the internal system on the super ssv is a fan like herbie, volcano and I think ion uses, not an air pump which can add a horrible taste or be okay, depending upon what pump is used.

 

[NinjaMindTriks]

I have gotten 2 Volcanos off of Craigslist for $200 and $300. They are built like tanks and the newer models with the high output fan fills a bag fast as hell. I personally still love my cano.

 

[Linard]

Volcano is the best bag system imo. I owned two HA that I only used as a bag fill system. I purchased the larger air pump for 75 and that really helped the speed of the fill. Even with HA's high output pump, the volcano wins hands down.

 

[lwien]

Yeah, I'd have to say that the 'Cano is the best bag vaporizer, if for nothing else, their valve systems.

 

[New_World]

Yeah, I'd have to say that the 'Cano is the best bag vaporizer, if for nothing else, their valve systems.

what he said. =)

 

[zor]

That's surprises me I've heard the HA is superior with bags

As a former HA owner (it was my first vape) I found the bags it filled to be paltry and weak. Quite a solid vape with the whip, but even with a more powerful air pump I found it took quite a while to fill bags. Comparing the vapor from 0.1g of herb in the HA vs the volcano was night and day.

 

[Justpassedu]

Volcano hands down win when it comes to strictly filling bags imo.

 

[Ifeejulah Vapor]

Used my EQ to fill bags last might for the first time in months. (Ive been occupied with my solo and waterpipes with whips.) its a really good bag system. No easy valve, slower fill time BUT you can throw a whip right on it and you are going to get huge rips using either option. I think the EQ is the most versitile bag vape.

The cano is cool but i get bored using the same technique over and over agaim. The EQ gives me some choice to have fun and switch it up.

Price wise EQ>cano

Im not a cano owner but im happy with the EQ bag system

 

[flotntoke]

No love for the EQ? - Thanks for remedying this @Ifeejulah Vapor!

Bags are decent (no - not as good as a cano), but you're not limited to just bags. No external pump to worry about, either. Have only tried HA bags in party setting, but like my EQ bags better. Then again.... in all honesty not really a bag guy. Nice novelty and great if you have 4 or 5 new vapers around, but bags were usually a rarity

 

[StraightShooter]

Seems to be the volcano, with a few competent ties for 2nd place.

People often overlook the durability you get with the volcano as well. The thing lasts years. I have seen volcanoes pumping out quality vapor that are almost ten years old. You don't get that from other high end bag vapes

 

[stickstones]

I have seen volcanoes pumping out quality vapor that are almost ten years old. You don't get that from other high end bag vapes

We don't know this yet. No other bag filler I'm aware of has been out that long.

 

[flotntoke]

My EQ has been packed up for most of the last couple years (thanks to nano), but gave me about 3 years of daily service with nary an issue other than a broken heater element cover. That due to the dog pulling it off the table by the cord. Have had it out a few times in past couple years. Give it a good burnoff in case of dust and ready to go. 5 years so far (admittedly 3 daily use) for $150 or maybe 10 years for 3x as much (at least)? Add the option to use it without the bag - and seems like a better choice IMO, unless you're more concerned about the status of owning the 'cano. Nothing against the Volcano really. If one fell in my lap tomorrow, I'm sure I'd use it.