when I vape regular weed , it gives the weed smell, but when I vape high grade, it doesnt smell y?

[pressure]

Ok the other day I decided to buy regular weed (the kind with sticks and stems). Now, Im 36 and I have been smoking since I was 14, that was before high grade was really around like that and all these fancy names werent around....And I have smoked regular weed thats been better then high grade but thats another story.

so now I noticed the regular weed in the vapor STINKS up my house, but if I smoke the high grade, it doesnt smell at all.

I always looked at high grade like it was over rated.
I did a test and realized the regular weed with seeds and stems gets me higher then the weed with crystals and sticky. I also noticed the regular weed smells like weed, like it should.

 

[max]

I did a test and realized the regular weed with seeds and stems gets me higher then the weed with crystals and sticky.

You seem to be saying that you feel that lower quality gets you higher, therefore low quality is actually higher quality, as in cheaper is 'better' than pricy.

If you can convince yourself this is true then good for you, since you'll save $ and be satisfied, but I've been a regular user for longer than you've been alive, and have extensive experience with the whole range of quality/price, and it's just not the case that herb with less active ingredients is better than herb with more. It's like saying you can get more intoxicated on one beer, than you can on a whole bottle of bourbon.

 

[crawdad]

you comparing one single strain of high grade vs one single strain of mid? for me smell is no indicator of potency or perceived alteration. maybe the stems caught you off guard as you were expecting less or perhaps its just happens to be good genetics for your chemical makeup.

 

[seaofgreens]

Hey @pressure

You really have to be careful with those examples. When a seeded bud is getting you more intoxicated than a sinsemilla it might actually have an additive.

We all need to escape the street purchases. This is where all the BS happens.

edit - Or maybe this was just a bad judgement of quality on your part this time? High grade should smell like good weed. So that is not high grade.

 

[howie105]

We are as high as we believe we are. The OP may be correct in his own case but its not the way it works for most folks I suspect.

 

[CarolKing]

@pressure you are painting with a broad brush my friend. I think you are getting confused in your medicated state. I gave gotten some awesome cannabis for a cheaper price but it's not a regular thing. It usually isn't loaded with seeds. Some folks do prefer a mid grade cannabis.

We have many here that would beg to differ with you about the differences low grade vs top shelf. You use what cannabis that works best for you. I think the rest of us will stick with a higher grade product . I've used med grade cannabis but prefer the top shelf. It's worth it to spend $2 more for a gram.

You keep referring to smoking your cannabis, maybe get back to vaporizing. If you smoke and vaporize you won't get a good medicated state when vaporizing.

 

[Wizsteve]

Ok the other day I decided to buy regular weed (the kind with sticks and stems). Now, Im 36 and I have been smoking since I was 14, that was before high grade was really around like that and all these fancy names werent around....And I have smoked regular weed thats been better then high grade but thats another story.

so now I noticed the regular weed in the vapor STINKS up my house, but if I smoke the high grade, it doesnt smell at all.

I always looked at high grade like it was over rated.
I did a test and realized the regular weed with seeds and stems gets me higher then the weed with crystals and sticky. I also noticed the regular weed smells like weed, like it should.

Hope you are saving your seeds sounds like old school ,AS far as getting higher?? well i understand all too well you see its all about time its being flowered hi grade 8 weeks its cut reg well it had seeds now was seeds good seeds?fully mature? If so than it was grow longer 10 maybe 12 weeks and lack of crystals tells me its a sativa.

A longer grown bud will get you higher in the long run and effects will last longer than the hi grade.

You can spot this in a few ways color of trics you want amber( hi grade may be picked early and be clear)

Pistels or lack of pistels as plant matures the pistels die and fell off they don't have any thc and can cause a headache to some,(hi grade is cut before this)

So it may not have higher thc but that isn't a true measurement of what gets one hi and its effects.

 

[pressure]

yfor me smell is no indicator of potency or perceived alteration. maybe the stems caught you off guard as you were expecting less or perhaps its just happens to be good genetics for your chemical makeup.

no I dont put stems in my weed im just saying regular weed is stemmy with seeds most of the time.

I have gotten weed before that look beautiful crystals and purple hairs and all...and it smelled...

then your expecting this great high, and its nothing.... there is regular weed thats better then the high grade stuff


and comparing it other weeds I have been smoking for years, I dont see why it cost as much as it does.

much of the weed is deceiving these days, just because it has a funky name, has crystals and all this other stuff doesnt mean anything. out of all the batches I smoked there is maybe only a handful that are truly worth their price, everything else just looks good and isnt worth the price

I guess people say you need to "cure" your weed. In the wild, "organic" weed doesnt need to be "cured" does it?

I think to much effort goes into making the weed look and smell good these days. I dont know because im not a grower just a smoker

also, could I be smoking GMO weed? At least here in america, the GMO posion is in all the food, Could it be some growers are making GMO weed?

 

[seaofgreens]

Just like some folks can really tell no difference between say...boxed wine and a great bottle... a Budweiser to a good micro-brew etc...

You either don't have the palate to appreciate/care about the difference or you haven't truly sampled enough variety.

Trust me dude... There is an entire world of difference out there, and I for one am always completely blown away at the ever increasing array of flavor/high profiles that are still being discovered in new beans...

I definitely don't mean/want to insult you though. Don't take it that way if it comes across that way. There just IS a difference, and it isn't some made up thing.

 

[hweezi]

Could be the dryness of the sub par bud ?

Typically any medical I've seen in my parts have nice fluffy nugs.

I tend to let them sit out for a few hours before vaping them. Then I get big clouds, but I'll have to agree that higher grade doesn't smell quite as rank as mids. More citrusy and piney than skunky IME.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

I guess people say you need to "cure" your weed. In the wild, "organic" weed doesnt need to be "cured" does it?

i find cured herb to be superior to fresh cut ... regardless of grow method or location - better high, better taste.

 

[Fat Freddy]

Just like some folks can really tell no difference between say...boxed wine and a great bottle

WOW! Wine comes in bottles!?

 

[herbivore21]

This thread is actually nothing to argue with really, we can't sensibly engage with it until we know whether the purported 'high grade' was even high grade to begin with. We really would need to see and preferably smell, vape/rosin+dab some of each to know.

Remember, OP's connect could have mistaken which product was which from their connect for one batch. Could have been intended that the higher grade was meant to be better at the grow stage but something happened in the grow and the connect couldn't tell the issue so the grower still charged 'high grade' prices. There are many, many more possibilities than this.

There is also the fact that different varieties in different climates will thrive to different extents. This could have just been a variety or pheno not suited to where the grow takes place. They could have been immature nugs.

Regardless, as for me I will continue to seek out the highest quality since I only use the resin and it would be stupid to go any lower.

 

[CarolKing]

With the cannabis being loaded with seeds it sounds like the cannabis I used to get in the 70s and 80s, it had the earthy taste and it was brown. Paka said it was called generic Columbian. At the time we thought it was pretty damn good until the primo stuff became available. The beginning of the cannabis that we enjoy today. We can thank California growers for a lot of the different strains that are available.

Cannabis has come along way over the years and has served me well.

 

[AJ900]

also, could I be smoking GMO weed? At least here in america, the GMO posion is in all the food, Could it be some growers are making GMO weed?

Actually, there's a good chance you are smoking GMO weed. In fact, a large variety of strains (many popular strains today) have been genetically modified to hold certain traits, effects, smells, etc. Humans have been doing this for centuries, but most recently, with the help of scientific technologies and laboratories, we've been able to refine which traits we desire in a strain. There are good GMOs and there are bad GMOs. Not all of them are bad.

 

[throwawaytre3s]

There are good GMOs and there are bad GMOs. Not all of them are bad.

Genetics has never really been too strong of an interest for me, aside from just wanted to know the strain so I could leafly it. I wonder what some of the popular ones from the 70s would be like if grown in a professional grow in a legal state today. Something like Michoacan. Recreational can't come here soon enough man.

 

[seaofgreens]

I agree. There is nothing inherently evil about GMO's, just the manner in which they are legally administered. The possibility that a single corporate entity could theoretically gain proprietary control of an entire food-source down to its genome... is scary.

There is also a lot of undue hysteria generated by a fear-mongering group of genome purists, largely afraid of polluting the purity of what is created through natural selection. This is not an unfounded fear per-say, as Monsanto has prosecuted soy farmers who have been cross pollinated by their stuff and inadvertently produced round-up resistant stock... but it's not as if this endangers those varietals existence. What did/does affect the existence of any given variety is the lack of demand for its seed. Barring some apocalypse, there will always be heirloom opportunities ready to "trend," and come back for a while.

From my perspective, the world has no choice but to ultimately embrace GMO products, or eventually face a massive famine. Simple as that.

 

[Hashtag46&2]

@pressure
You gotta let go of the term "smoking"... Or are you still smoking, as opposed to Vaping?

I also think you should read up on the Trichome, as it shouldn't be referred to as a crystal, I'm not trying to pick on you, but using the term crystal can lead to further misconceptions regarding our beloved plant.

But.. I can attest to some of the "Brick" I was getting before we legalized..

That weed was SOOO cheap (200$ per qp)
And super sticky, icky... Rolled joints would result in resin oozing out .
Maybe 1-2 seeds in an oz.

Super good weed.

I soooo wish I had saved those seeds now.

The problem is a weakening Gene pool .. The White Widow, Durban Poison days are gone...
The premier genetics are now watered down, due to people crossing strains with no stability, then pushing it into seed banks for distribution.

I fear one day, almost all genetic material will be so weak, it will be hard to obtain quality meds.

 

[herbivore21]

Actually, there's a good chance you are smoking GMO weed. In fact, a large variety of strains (many popular strains today) have been genetically modified to hold certain traits, effects, smells, etc. Humans have been doing this for centuries, but most recently, with the help of scientific technologies and laboratories, we've been able to refine which traits we desire in a strain. There are good GMOs and there are bad GMOs. Not all of them are bad.

Yup, selective breeding is a form of GMO after all. The man speaks the truth!

The problem is not whether a product is GMO or not. The real question is whether the product in question is safe and effective. Plenty of safe and effective GMO processes are used in plenty of industries. Of course, there are some that are rightly critiqued as well. One would do well to consider the safety/efficacy of GMO products on a case-by-case basis.

@Hashtag46&2 couldn't agree more about the problem of unstable genetics being pushed out too quickly and without requisite care. I regularly hear growing/breeding friends of mine lamenting this issue (I am no grower personally, just a scientist from a discipline where you have to study genetics to get the requisite degree). However, each and every person who is concerned about this could start their own grow and get stuck into selecting better adapting phenos of given varieties and use these to produce more stable genetics over time

Even if we ended up with nothing but the least stable genetics at the seedbanks, all it will take is for further breeding and selection to be carried out on these unstable genetics to develop more useful varieties.

I personally am of the view that the best flowers are always going to be had after successive generations of selection, regardless of what you started with and especially if you live in a very different environment to where the plants were bred.

It is easier to forget these factors for those in the major cannabis states like Co and Ca though, since in these places we would not need to look so hard to find stable, locally resilient seeds as those in less beneficial locales - where you have to deal with the crap shoot and select carefully to end up with something worthwhile, and only after a good few generations of adaptations!

Fascinating to hear about the oozing resin out of that Mexi brick bro! I have definitely heard of good bud with stems and seeds that has been roughly handled, after all the 'brick' aspect is a function of handling, rather than original quality of the product. I have heard UK people here also refer to good quality import Jamaican brick bud too, sticks, stems and all.

Some varieties can go to seed and still be fantastic resin producers too! I remember getting THC Bomb flowers for the longest time that frequently would get seeds but also had some absolutely outstanding trichome coverage, beautifully cured too! Used to get an easy 7g+ a zip using my QWISO/QWET extractions.

 

[pressure]

Could be the dryness of the sub par bud ?

Typically any medical I've seen in my parts have nice fluffy nugs.

I tend to let them sit out for a few hours before vaping them. Then I get big clouds, but I'll have to agree that higher grade doesn't smell quite as rank as mids. More citrusy and piney than skunky IME.

this is what I wonder about... The other day my friend had some "O.G KUSH" , blue dream, and some hazw

as you can see its 3 different buds. the one in the middle is the O.G. Kush had purple hairs., crystals, and but was hard and dry. Didnt really smell that strong though.... Buds were bigger nugs, I just took a cunk off.

anyways, none of these buds with no sticks and stems or seeds got me high. More like a slight buzz.... Not even the one in the middle with the funny colors. now these smell great. just by the smell alone any old imbecile off the street would want to buy and or smoke it.

I have a new batch of sour with crystals and some regs. I will post pictures tomorrow.

the regs are still smelling like weed should smell when vaped... the others not so. it just doesnt smell like weed should smell when vaped.

so im thinking people found a way to make great looking great smelling shit weed. They can make it look and smell nice, but when you smoke it like me, you look at your other bud with seeds and wonder why the regs is getting me higher....

Yup, selective breeding is a form of GMO after all. The man speaks the truth!

The problem is not whether a product is GMO or not. The real question is whether the product in question is safe and effective. .

yes, that is the problem. GMOs are ruining everything. 1/3 of everything we eat comes from a bee, now GMO crops are killing them.

What are the effects of weed that vapes and taste like chemicals vs weed that vapes and taste like weed. surely there must be something going on, something harmful from GMO.

just like eating farm grown salom and fish. Fish farms produce supermarket protein with high concentrations of antibiotics, pesticides and lower levels of healthy nutrients. Research has found that farmed fish has less usable omega-3 fatty acids than wild-caught fish and a 20% lower protein content. A USDA review confirmed the findings. Farmed fish are fattier and have a high concentration of omega-6 fatty acids. Imbalances in the levels of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids create inflammation in the body.

now the same can be said about our GMO bud. It looks great, smells great, but does it TASTE like it should? Does it smell like it SHOULD after being vaped? And that answer for my experiences vaping so far, which has been short but I do come across alot of different buds, that this exotic weed with funny smell and names doesnt taste...traditional

maybe weed grown in the wild might have healthier effects on the human body then weed grown with chemicals, all research tends to show this for other fruits, vegetables, and animals

I think we need to eat like 13 oranges to get the nutritional content that 1 orange gave 1oo years ago...

 

[CarolKing]

@pressure about where in the states do you live? Just curious, I know you mentioned it's not a legal state. You are buying black market. Sounds like some lousy bud in your area. Maybe it wasn't cured properly.

 

[herbivore21]

I have had all kinds of funny looking weed get me very baked and some I would certainly never had voted for but never-the-less I continue to be surprised by the variation of herb.

If the herb is not doing the job I would say that's not good. On-the-darker side could it be a possibility that the herb may have been previously rinsed with butane removing much of the goods in the making of BHO.

After looking at the nugs here, I am also concerned that tampering may be the problem. The middle nug in the picture above has very visible and abundant looking transparent heads/stalks/something on the surface. If it is not giving any effect, I am concerned that this may have been blasted, bounced or washed.

One good way to check if it was bounced is to look at the outside of the nug under a magnifier (20x or more should be good) and look to see if there are glandular heads on top of the stalks. If there are not, but lots of clear stalks, break the nug open. See if under the calyxes there are large deposits of glandular heads caked up. This should be the case for mature, high quality nugs. If there is loads of heads inside but not out, this bud was potentially bounced on screens, very badly handled or perhaps wetwashed (bubble hash) and then dried out and resold.

If there are no heads inside or outside, the nugs may have been blasted/solvent washed and then dried out and resold.

If there are loads of heads inside and outside, then we have a particularly strange problem!

For an idea for what the outer heads look like at 300x on some great mature nugs (pre-cure) when they have not be disturbed. The little balls on the ends of the clear stalks (trichome stalks) are the glandular heads. These are where the majority of the actives that give you effect are found

 

[seaofgreens]

@pressure: Your conceptions of GMO are flawed. Don't know how to make it any simpler. Trying to blame colony collapse disorder on GMO is just some next level shit. Don't even know where to start/ or if I would care to re-butt.

 

[Wizsteve]

After looking at the nugs here, I am also concerned that tampering may be the problem. The middle nug in the picture above has very visible and abundant looking transparent heads/stalks/something on the surface. If it is not giving any effect, I am concerned that this may have been blasted, bounced or washed.

One good way to check if it was bounced is to look at the outside of the nug under a magnifier (20x or more should be good) and look to see if there are glandular heads on top of the stalks. If there are not, but lots of clear stalks, break the nug open. See if under the calyxes there are large deposits of glandular heads caked up. This should be the case for mature, high quality nugs. If there is loads of heads inside but not out, this bud was potentially bounced on screens, very badly handled or perhaps wetwashed (bubble hash) and then dried out and resold.

If there are no heads inside or outside, the nugs may have been blasted/solvent washed and then dried out and resold.

If there are loads of heads inside and outside, then we have a particularly strange problem!

For an idea for what the outer heads look like at 300x on some great mature nugs (pre-cure) when they have not be disturbed. The little balls on the ends of the clear stalks (trichome stalks) are the glandular heads. These are where the majority of the actives that give you effect are found

I would see this as inmature bud needing few more weeks if this bud was grown till tric turned amber this be stoney stuff.

@pressure this is why your not getting high everyone is cutting the shit down weeks early i am right there with you man and i'm in a legal state and unless those trics turn amber you wont get stoned off this pot see they go for thc peak and not the stone

 

[Skyscraper]

Yeah man.. Some people do prefer the clear trichomes I guess. Usually it's motivated by greed or the need for weed. Somebody just couldn't wait another couple weeks.

I would also like to say resin doesn't always correlate to a high level of cannabinoids.. A couple strains I have aren't as resinous as some commercial buds I see but the taste and high are so much better.