What to do with pile of herbs

[AGBeer]

Yes but,

Freezing ends up in a much cleaner tasting product. (You should be freezing your solvent as well before hand as well)

 

[OO]

Uh, ok... I am not using butane. I am using 91% ISO. I know how to use ISO. I am not going to use butane. I said from the very beginning that I don't like BHO, and was not going to use it.

that's fine, but it's a very similar process that shares similar risks.

@agb, many people are more concerned with losing actives than they are with taste. Please read this post.

 

[hereatlast]

Hey Tstat what about making some BHO though?


Looking forward to hear how your process goes. I personally haven't enjoyed the taste of QWISO quite so much in the past (particularly the reclaim from 'vapor glass') but I'm interested to hear your evaluation of taste considering your familiarity with the plant. In any case, I'm sure those bubble-bags would do your 'pile' justice and that would be my first attraction though I know you nixed that from the beginning. Good luck with the run.

 

[AGBeer]

Uh, ok... I am not using butane. I am using 91% ISO. I know how to use ISO. I am not going to use butane. I said from the very beginning that I don't like BHO, and was not going to use it.

that's fine, but it's a very similar process that shares similar risks.

@agb, many people are more concerned with losing actives than they are with taste. Please read this post.

I appreciate this, but if thats the case then BHO and CO2 extractions would be out the window due to the incredibly low temps. I think the use of a solvent negates the need to use heat to dissolve your actives in this case. Since my last post in your quoted thread, I have learned a little more about QWISO extractions from some vets. Freezing your trim and alcohol reduces chlorophyll in your end product.

Butane, Acetone, Iso, Denatured etc... They are all solvents. They all accomplish pretty much the same result (with varying degrees of success) and each is subjective to the user/maker.

 

[rabblerouser]

you don't have to do bho, but I think you only didn't like it because you bungled it
and it really isn't that hard if you re-read some instructions.

BHO takes minutes and the hardest part really is getting the spent bud out of your tube.
qwiso takes hours to get you lesser hash.

I'd do bubble over qwiso, but that's me personally.


bho gets basically just what you want, qwiso gets more chlorophyl and stuff you don't want, that's why it's darker.

 

[Tstat]

I have a few pounds of quality trim in the freezer that i will use for bubble. I simply wanted to try something else with this pile. I chose qwiso because of the ease of use and the cost. Look, I tried BHO, I used a 1/4 of of good bud and got like 5 hits from the goo that it created. It was fine, but butane costs a lot and I just didn't get enough to justify using that method. That's all.

I am not arguing one way or another. I am sure you guys that run BHO really like it. I didn't . I may not like this qwiso- that's why I only used small amount out what I had. I didn't think I am endangering myself or others by evaporating iso in front of a fan, with no heat, etc.

 

[Tstat]

OK, so when I went down this morning, one plate was already evaporated completely. I scraped it up and got .8 from it. Stuff looks great- sticky but easy to press into a ball. My QWISO from soaking glass is much more like oil and hard to work with than this. It's "sqwishier" than my bubble which comes out hard in the end. Looks like I will have close to 2 grams, but I didn't weigh the starting material so I have no idea if that's a good yield. It was less than an ounce for sure- closer to 1/2.

My Vape H20 is being delivered today, so I will let you guys know how it tastes and the effects later. I will need to play around with the H20 first to get the hang of it, I'm sure...

 

[OO]

Uh, ok... I am not using butane. I am using 91% ISO. I know how to use ISO. I am not going to use butane. I said from the very beginning that I don't like BHO, and was not going to use it.

that's fine, but it's a very similar process that shares similar risks.

@agb, many people are more concerned with losing actives than they are with taste. Please read this post.

I appreciate this, but if thats the case then BHO and CO2 extractions would be out the window due to the incredibly low temps. I think the use of a solvent negates the need to use heat to dissolve your actives in this case. Since my last post in your quoted thread, I have learned a little more about QWISO extractions from some vets. Freezing your trim and alcohol reduces chlorophyll in your end product.

Butane, Acetone, Iso, Denatured etc... They are all solvents. They all accomplish pretty much the same result (with varying degrees of success) and each is subjective to the user/maker.

Not at all. since in this case, polarity and amount of solvent used will push the solubility reaction toward completion
or you could use a non-polar solvent which reduces these impurities to begin with. (though chlorophyll b is mostly non-polar, it is more polar than the resinous trichomes.)
your technique is fine, except for the extra water that will condense from the air, and be added to the solution, causing a slower evaporation rate.
even though they are all solvents, they have varying degrees of polarity, and they all have different risks, though many share the same one. did you know water is referred to as the "universal solvent", but due to it's polarity, it is very poor at dissolving the highly nonpolar active substances in pot.
each solvent has its place, and slightly varying techniques may apply. please don't give advice about solvent extractions if you don't even understand polarity, you could put many people in danger (think meth lab).

 

[Nuphile]

+1 for BHO.
This stuff is nearly pure THC if done properly.
Naptha (wood alcohol) can also work well for extractions, but the process is a little more involved.

 

[Nuphile]

Although extractions can be smoked, and therefore may not fall 100% under the FC umbrella, I think a separate thread for this would be great. This would allow users to share their experiences with different extraction methods, and ultimately be a great place for knowledge sharing.

 

[OO]

there's plenty of info on solvent extraction all over the web.

a thread on the subject really isn't necessary.

 

[Tstat]

Well, I just wanted to report on the QWISO. OMG. WTF.

I loaded the vape H20 vial with a TINY amount of the QWISO (I ended up with 2 grams) and put the torch to it. When I saw that vapor (or smoke?) was forming, I hit it. It tasted like really fine hash and had no taste at all of ISO. Then I coughed. And coughed. I was going to hit it again, but I was so freaken high I could barley stand up. I managed to get up and went up stairs where I was so messed up I couldn't believe it. I stayed that way for most of the morning.

OK, it's strong, it tastes great and it will last me a LONG time based on that first try! I ran the rest of it through twice and it is evaporating now. I used a little under an OZ this time- so I can gauge my results. What would be a good ratio when all is said and done? One gram per ounce?

 

[WatTyler]

.... What would be a good ratio when all is said and done? One gram per ounce?

Now I don't really know about this, and so am just putting it out for discussion really, but assuming that QWISO is an effective extraction (for the sake of argument say 100%), and you have material to start with of average 10%THC (for mathmatical convienience sake), then you could assume to get 2.8g per ounce? Plus a likely bit extra for additional compounds.

Probably the QW extraction is not 100% efficient though (edit: to be so would surely include many 'extras' in the final extraction result). But if the weed was 10%THC and you only got 1g per ounce, the extraction would be would be well below 50% efficicient

What does anyone else think?

 

[Tstat]

I will have a better idea this time, since I weighed the stuff first. I also froze the ISO this time.

 

[AGBeer]

Let me try to get another SME up in here to chime in on this. I know (of) a guy on another forum who has made POUNDS of QWISO. (He usually does gallon runs at a time) and he should be able to further clarify what your return should be on average.

Note, there are also other techniques that help further refine the BHO/QWISO to remove some of the waxes and other 'unwanteds'

Ill see if I can find that post too

 

[Nuphile]

Although extractions can be smoked, and therefore may not fall 100% under the FC umbrella, I think a separate thread for this would be great. This would allow users to share their experiences with different extraction methods, and ultimately be a great place for knowledge sharing.

there's plenty of info on solvent extraction all over the web.

a thread on the subject really isn't necessary.

You may be right. However, there is plenty of information about cooking with cannabis all over the web as well. There just happened to be enough talk about the subject on here to warrant adding the thread awhile back.

Currently, there is not a whole lot of discussion about extraction methods on here. But, if there is enough talk about it in the future, I think it would be great to discuss on here how to do certain methods safely.

 

[Tstat]

I agree. Btw, the second batch yielded exactly 2 grams from a little less than an ounce. Stuff is unreal.