What is your strategy to counteract your high, when U R 2 high

[Madri-Gal]

I made Canna flour recently, and miscalculated the dosage ( as in I couldn't find my scales, and used dry measures). I baked it into a dessert, and it was fine until it wasn't. My companion felt terrible, and I wasn't hit as hard, but it wasn't good for either of us.. We pulled out pepper, high CBD, took showers, etc. Time was about all that helped, but it was helpful to know it can happen so we didn't panic. I was surprised at the potency. I still have both the flour from bud, and flour from ABV, and I might try it again, but instead if subbing out 2 Tblsp. per cup flour, I'd use like a pinch, or less. It's only been a week, so mebbe it's too soon...

 

[fernand]

One thought. Edibles have the added issue of long slow onset.

With inhalation at the time you realize it's too much, the levels are already starting to drop. CBD can be effective in reversing THC activity at CB1 receptors.

With edibles usually at the time you notice the problem, you're just starting to build a level (aaargh!). CBD is a THC antagonist, but not in a simple way. Apparently not a competitive antagonist, not the way Naloxone binds so hard to Mu receptors that it displaces opiods molecules. CBD might not be able to prevent additional THC coming on and binding at CB1 receptors.

(Oh, and by the way, those profiteers at Purdue, after convincing the medical world that Oxycodone is just a slightly stronger codeine (it's not) and making billions, now are making a fortune on Naloxone, an old drug with no patent viability, as Narcan inhalers at $40-80 for two. Police depts, emergency services, public health depts. all get taken to the cleaners. Patients who have been on stable opioid regimens for years, and are lucky enough not to be cut off, are suddenly told they need ... Narcan inhalers! Yay, way to go, Purdue)

 

[Madri-Gal]

One thought. Edibles have the added issue of long slow onset.
With inhalation at the time you realize it's too much, the levels are already starting to drop. CBD can be effective in reversing THC binding to CB1 receptors.
With edibles usually at the time you notice the problem, you're just starting to build a level (aaargh!). CBD is a THC antagonist, but not in a simple way. Apparently not a competitive antagonist, not the way naloxone binds hard to Mu receptors and displaces opiods molecules. It might not be able to prevent additional THC coming on and binding at CB1 receptors.

We tried CBD, black pepper, sweet tea. I was trying to put in a movie, and M-G couldn't watch it because of "too much violence". It was Despicable Me 3. I didn't even put it in. If it seemed overwhelming to him, it prolly was. What helped was trying various trying things, listening, asking questions, and basically sitting it out for seven hours. It was physically uncomfortable, more so for M-G, as it hit him harder. There was anxiety, but overall we had a good time as we generally do. Not in the moment, but in spirit anyway. I sure don't want to do it again. I will keep a list of the tips. Just because the didn't work this time, doesn't mean they won't the next. Different strain, different amount, and so on. And maybe things weren't as bad as they could have been had we not tried CBD, pepper, sweet tea.

 

[fernand]

I wanted to show some cartoons to my grandson, who's 2, but I was surprised at how we take the violence for granted. I mean, Road Runner is funny to older minds, but looking at it honestly, ALL our traditional cartoons are about competing and hurting the other. It's a very Old America thing. It's not so in say recent Russian cartoons, where they emphasize cooperation. Selfish and aggressive characters are shamed for only thinking of themselves.

I wonder what the current Chinese childrens' stuff says.

A lot of the recent big studio animated features have a layering of humor that appeals to adults. I'm not sure how the kids really react to allusions and "inside jokes" they can't possibly understand ... well, at least they're not as bone-head aggressive.

 

[anda1anda2]

With edibles I don’t find much works other than riding it out. It is helpful to keep reminding yourself that you ingested cannabis and the effects will diminish within a few hours.

I haven’t found CDB noticeably helpful. One of my worst experiences was with 1:1 edibles from the dispensary. I took what was supposed to be a 20mg gummy, but it felt way stronger. It totally kicked my butt. Like the inability to form cohesive thoughts and loss of short term memory. I always wonder if some poorly dosed meds made it past quality control.

 

[Madri-Gal]

I wanted to show some cartoons to my grandson, who's 2, but I was surprised at how we take the violence for granted. I mean, Road Runner is funny to older minds, but looking at it honestly, ALL our traditional cartoons are about competing and hurting the other. It's a very Old America thing. It's not so in say recent Russian cartoons, where they emphasize cooperation. Selfish and aggressive characters are shamed for only thinking of themselves.

A lot of the recent big studio animated features have a layering of humor that appeals to adults. I'm not sure how the kids really react to allusions and "inside jokes" they can't possibly understand ... well, at least they're not as bone-head aggressive.

Too true. Madri-Guy is 35, and still didn't think he could handle it. Maybe he thought he'd miss the Easter eggs. I don't know. We survived just fine, and will do the math next time. I really don't know what else to do with the Canna flour, and it's a great ingredient. We didn't have television for most of my children's lives. None of us do now, except to watch movies on, and my daughter not even that.

 

[fernand]

My son who has cancer went through a bit of a rough spell while we built up his tolerance. But Rick Simpson has at least one thing right: go with Indica strains. He slept a lot. CBD only mitigated it a little. Later he could handle the Sativas. Now on those same large doses, like 800mg THC/day, he's A-OK and driving (part-time) for one of the ride-sharing companies, we won't name specifics.

BTW, Cannabis makes chemotherapy much much more bearable, like night and day, this was documented by Mechoulam's group decades ago, but only now is becoming known to oncologists.

 

[ClearBlueLou]

O.k. so its happened to me a few times. It depends on the strain. I could take a the same amount in one strain and get way to high on one vs the other. It also depends on how I take it , joint, bong, desktop vape, and portable vaporizer. I feel if I use the desktop vape it is the most effective of giving me a high sometimes too much of a high.

So I like being high but not to the point I feel comotosed on the couch barely able to speak.

So I have heared different recipes to counteract the high. I have heard of chewing peppercorns, Any other good herbal remedies, or strategies to use to counteract the high.

You’ve heard this before, you’ll hear it again: there’s a big difference between being too high to get up off the couch and being so stoned you freak out.

If one isn’t new to the herb, one simply doesn’t know, so it’s all undiscovered country, and being high, really high, can be scary, but I’m going to stop this right here, because we’ve crossed the streams already. To untangle them, there’s a huge difference between being to stoned to move and freaking out - and you’re not freaking out. You’re just stoned to immobility. There’s not a thing wrong with that, so don’t judge it. “TOO high” is a judgment, and the thing to do is to stop judging it - and yourself.

So far, you’ve gotten about every bro-science ‘solution’ I ever heard of - and some brand new (CBD counteracting THC? Who thought THAT up?). If you have to *DO SOMETHING* to fix it, stand up, take a big deep breath, stretch (you’ll probably be surprised how good it feels), take another big deep breath and sit back down. Really.

The breathing increases oxygen in the blood, the standing, stretching, and sitting will increase the blood flow to your brain, and *that* will do more for you than all the other suggestions you’ve heard, except meditating.

Questions: how long have you been using herb? How often? In company, or with others? Do you have a plan for your high time?

I mentioned in the driving thread that for new users, just *being* stoned is entertaining by itself for the first while (variable length of time)...but over time, it stops being undiscovered country and becomes familiar, and more comfortable. If you’re getting high by yourself, no one to talk to, nothing to read or watch or listen to or do, you will have significantly less fun than if you’re with friends you know well and trust, or listening to music, or reading, or watching a movie, or going for a walk. I like to stretch and do a little yoga. I also like to focus on my breathing, which is calming and centering. After 50 years, I find there are many things I enjoy doing while I’m high, so use some of that amplification to get creative - or just involved in something.

Human plus herb is a wonderful conversation, but you’ve got to bring something to it for it to be stimulating and interesting, so if you find yourself stuck like that, change what you’re doing.

There’s nothing to be scared of, so don’t worry - be happy.

...what is "too high"???

...jokes aside i read once that 400-600mg of ibuprofen will counteract the negative effects of cannabis... that is roughly 1 or 2 extra strength advil or aspirin..

...i cannot confirm or deny this as unfortunately "too high" does not happen with me as im a very high consumer of our beloved herb

This is an interesting idea about ibuprofen: makes me want to stop taking it and see what happens. You should know, though, that ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory, it’s nothing like aspirin or Tylenol (Advil IS ibuprofen).

whole black peppercorn is a great easy access anxiety reducer...

but- citicoline will reverse THC effects... take 3 to 5 times more citicoline than th ethc consumed... example- 50 mg of thc will need 150 to 250 mg citicoline to stop the thc effects... you can use less citicoline as the example to offset some of the thc effects and not stop them completely too...

This is great, but...you don’t know how much THC you get, trust me: and Dr. Bob specifically references citicholine as an aid for those taking super-high doses medically, a la RSO, and he advises taking it BEFORE cannabis, not after.

Guess I have a low tolerance but using my desktop V tower from arizer with anything higher than 0.2 grams of 15 minutes of vaping couches me cold!

TL;DR = if you’re not enjoying it the way you’re doing it, do it differently.

Hope this helps!

 

[-dab8-]

I’m so glad to have found this thread. I am utterly baffled by those people saying there is no such thing as “too high”.

I have had a few weird experiences with a bit too much THC.

One time after a huge vape rip towards the end of an evening of vaping I felt this strange buzzing sensation in my head and eyes and everything started going black. I lost consciousness for a couple minutes, thankfully just seated on the couch. I know that people recommend going for a walk, but there would have been absolutely no way I could even crawl. When I came to, I felt a little spacey, and very high, but mostly ok.

Another much stranger time, I had a ton of coffee early on, so I was pretty wired. I had a medium-low strength edible around the same time, and then had switched to vaping. I ended up taking a larger hit than I planned, but felt ok initially. Enter the bizarre: I began to experience full body spasms that came in waves, beginning at my head/neck and then working down my whole body to my feet. I felt fine, but had no ability to stop them. I tried clenching all of my muscles, or shaking them out, and while this would delay the next wave, it was only temporary. This lasted maybe 1-2 minutes, and then I was fine. I was freaked out though, and googled it, and apparently others have had the same experience. Had never happened before or since.

As for how to counteract such experiences, unfortunately neither time I was able to do so because by the time I needed such a remedy I was not able to move to get one. I plan to experiment with CBD and peppercorns.

This makes me wonder about keeping a “get well” lit with me at all times so that if I need it I have it on hand rather than in a different room or on a different floor.

 

[ClearBlueLou]

I’m so glad to have found this thread. I am utterly baffled by those people saying there is no such thing as “too high”.

I have had a few weird experiences with a bit too much THC.

I know I sound like a broken record with this, but unless you were vaping chemically pure THC, it was the CANNABIS.

Another much stranger time, I had a ton of coffee early on, so I was pretty wired. I had a medium-low strength edible around the same time, and then had switched to vaping. I ended up taking a larger hit than I planned, but felt ok initially. Enter the bizarre: I began to experience full body spasms that came in waves, beginning at my head/neck and then working down my whole body to my feet. I felt fine, but had no ability to stop them. I tried clenching all of my muscles, or shaking them out, and while this would delay the next wave, it was only temporary. This lasted maybe 1-2 minutes, and then I was fine. I was freaked out though, and googled it, and apparently others have had the same experience. Had never happened before or since.

As for how to counteract such experiences, unfortunately neither time I was able to do so because by the time I needed such a remedy I was not able to move to get one. I plan to experiment with CBD and peppercorns.

This makes me wonder about keeping a “get well” lit with me at all times so that if I need it I have it on hand rather than in a different room or on a different floor.

Here’s the part I might be useful for.

I have had this happen many times (no number, sorry, but over 50+ years, many times), including ~15 years when I drank no coffee. When I smoke “enough”, this will happen. Dark clouds seem to form in my vision, and I get a sense of zooming in and out, even though I’m sitting still. It’s accompanied by a feeling that I can’t control my body, and on occasion I will feel my body moving by itself. Pretty freaky.

Over the years, I tried all kinds of things to control myself, but I found that fighting it made it last longer, and my body movements would become more pronounced. I have learned that my best response to it when I feel it coming on is to EMPTY MY HANDS and sit back, *stop* trying to keep it from happening; when I’m smart enough to catch it, and do as I just described, it last seconds. Mostly my hands will twitch and wave slightly, my feet may shift, but after a deep breath or two, it’s gone. Emptying my hands mostly means putting down the pipe/vape/whatever so I don’t have to worry about dropping it.

When I used to fight it, it would hold on, and others would notice and ask me what was going on - and of course, I didn’t speak to answer, ‘cause I was fighting. Letting go, OTOH, no-one ever noticed (or notices now). When it stops, it’s like it never happened, but I’ll typically wait a minute, get up slowly (to make sure everything works), refill my beverage, all back to normal.

The interesting bit is that when I was early teens, I began to fall: the first time I remember, I was in Sunday School; I was asked to go up front and talk about something. I got up out of my seat, walked to the front, and got dark swarms before my eyes, my balance started to go, I grabbed the podium with both hands; my arms began to convulse, I grabbed the podium tighter, and then collapsed to the floor taking the podium with me. It was over by the time everyone clustered around me, I was dazed and shaken but uninjured, and able to get to my feet without assistance.

After it happened a few more times, I was taken to the doctor, who announced that my blood pressure was ‘abnormally’ low, and that this was the cause of the “blackouts” (which they weren’t, but still). Fast forward to a few years later when I was found to have Hypoglycemia severe enough to keep me out of the army during Vietnam. Since then, I’ve learned that it seems to be some combination of sitting still long enough for my heart rate to drop, and having gone foodless long enough for my blood sugar to drop.

I have no idea how many people experience anything like this, but it is all the reason I need to not get high while driving (that would be *bad*...and stupid). Fact: it has NEVER happened within four hours of a real meal, it has NEVER happened behind the wheel. On the falling over, it never happens when I stand up and pause a moment before moving, has not happened in fact in 20 years.


I don’t know if any of that helps, but despite it being freaky, it is both harmless and rare. IMHO.

Epilogue...the doctors have been all over me for years, sure I must suffer from a wide variety of medical specialties, but despite their best efforts, they’ve never found a thing wrong with me other than the blood pressure and the blood sugar. The last word is, if it bothers you, see a doctor; otherwise, relax - it doesn’t hurt, it won’t hurt you, and you won’t create a scene. To me it seems to be the whole-body headrush old hippies (like me) talk about.

Hope this wall-o-text helps....

 

[TiSteamo]

If you're too high you have to drink lemon juice. It works 100%.
Instead coffee amplifies the effects.

 

[Madri-Gal]

If you're too high you have to drink lemon juice. It works 100%.
Instead coffee amplifies the effects.

If you're too high you have to drink lemon juice. It works 100%.
Instead coffee amplifies the effects.

How much lemon juice?

 

[C No Ego]

If you're too high you have to drink lemon juice. It works 100%.
Instead coffee amplifies the effects.

so lemon juice changes the electrical voltage of the THC ? maybe its the alkalizing effects from the lemon ... they say to dip your fingers in lemon juice if you want to have a brain gain... those electrical inputs and so forth

 

[TiSteamo]

How much lemon juice?

I think that half a squeezed lemon can suffice.
It depends on how much you are high!

so lemon juice changes the electrical voltage of the THC ? maybe its the alkalizing effects from the lemon ... they say to dip your fingers in lemon juice if you want to have a brain gain... those electrical inputs and so forth

I did not know this!
I'm going to fill the bathtub with lemon juice!

 

[mephisto]

Oh boy! I am going back to my black pepper.....

 

[Madri-Gal]

I think that half a squeezed lemon can suffice.
It depends on how much you are high!



I did not know this!
I'm going to fill the bathtub with lemon juice!

Huh. Well. That's not going to happen. Maybe in lemonade, but my idea of hell is being too high and having to suck on lemons.
Thanks for the information.

 

[analytika]

Take a sleeping pill, if your doctor has prescribed you one, knowing your proclivities.

It's enough to overwhelm even a Sativa and keep you sedated until the high is over.

We're into the "bad advice crowds out the good" phase of the thread, and I'm just doing my part!

 

[TiSteamo]

Huh. Well. That's not going to happen. Maybe in lemonade, but my idea of hell is being too high and having to suck on lemons.
Thanks for the information.

… and I want to tell you more: it seems that the Styx is actually a river of lemon juice, where large pieces of cedar float...

 

[Madri-Gal]

… and I want to tell you more: it seems that the Styx is actually a river of lemon juice, where large pieces of cedar float...

Yup. Too high, lemon river, cedar floaties. That's it exactly. Hell.

 

[CANtalk]

Ibuprofen definitely works in my experience, but it's not an on-off switch fix-all (false dilemma fallacy). And it's all about dose/response... heavy cannabis users may not see much relief with even significant doses of Ibuprofen. So YMMV.

 

[Alexis]

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[Alexis]

Whoops, sorry, accidentally replied without meaning to. So I added this. Please ignore.

 

[Madri-Gal]

Ibuprofen definitely works in my experience, but it's not an on-off switch fix-all (false dilemma fallacy). And it's all about dose/response... heavy cannabis users may not see much relief with even significant doses of Ibuprofen. So YMMV.

Good to get the hints out there. I'm allergic to NSAIDS, so I'll pass on the ibuprofen. I don't like stuff that can kill me in the house, or else I'd get Madri-Guy some Advil. Still, I'm happy to make him some lemonade if it happens again. I am making a list of these hints, so if it happens I'll be ready. Except maybe for Advil.

 

[CANtalk]

Good to get the hints out there. I'm allergic to NSAIDS, so I'll pass on the ibuprofen. I don't like stuff that can kill me in the house, or else I'd get Madri-Guy some Advil. Still, I'm happy to make him some lemonade if it happens again. I am making a list of these hints, so if it happens I'll be ready. Except maybe for Advil.

The citicoline feedback here is worth considering.


Anybody have more feedback on citicoline??

 

[fernand]

Orthostatic hypotension is pretty common. You stand up, or just change position, and your blood vessels don't have time to contract and keep the blood pressure high enough for the brain to get it, heart rate goes up trying to compensate. Cannabis makes it happen more easily. Result: blackout, fall, spasms, all kinds of neurological signs and symptoms. Passes pretty quickly if you don't injure yourself. Remedy: get your head down so your brain gets more blood/oxygen.