Ok, I don't want to hear alcohol + salt, as I have tried that many times and it doesn't come close to working as well as the bottle of Orange Chronic I have. That said, I am about out and need to get new cleaner but realized I had bought this orange chronic over 4 years ago when I still used bongs. Is there a best cleaner? I notice Formula 420 has the plastic and acrylic cleaner and then a glass and ceramic cleaner. Which one would I purchase if I am wanting to clean the whip, elbow, and screens primarily of the Extreme Q? I would just buy Orange Chronic again but its almost $20 shipped and I can get Formula 420 cleaner for less than $10 shipped. Thanks!