What does packing more weed in a bowl do?

[3dfx-glide]

OK this might sound stupid but when you pack more weed in the bowl and finished it in the same amount of time you'd finish a smaller bowl, would that give you a stronger high, or a longer high, compared the the smaller bowl (same varietal, temp, etc)

 

[Vapeur Rogue]

OK this might sound stupid but when you pack more weed in the bowl and finished it in the same amount of time you'd finish a smaller bowl, would that give you a stronger high, or a longer high, compared the the smaller bowl (same varietal, temp, etc)

In my experience, and it can vary depending on vape, but I have experienced a stronger onset only at times, other times both stronger onset and maintained experience. Frequently I get better results for body effects with a larger load.

 

[zor]

My response is purely subjective, as I suspect any answer here will be, given the lack of a controlled testing environment and subjects

I feel the more I pack, the greater the flavor hit and the loss of vaporizable goodies. My lungs have a given surface area and after a certain point, which I believe is pretty low for myself, the concentration of vapor doesn't add any additional effect for a given inhalation. Holding the hit in longer has a noticeable increased effect than If I don't hold it (oooh, controversy!), so I tailor my dosage with my Flowerpot, sprinkling just enough to cover the screen and hot at 610-20F to get delicious potent vappr in 2-3 pulls. I've loaded it 3/4 full (about 3 or 4 times more than the de.scribed dosage) and the flavor is immense but I'm reduced to coughing fits.

Add to the variability the variance between and within varieties, claims of >30% THC, and profound terpene profiles....so really none of this shit is repeatable. I love and am grateful for my access to MMJ but this "medicine" is continually treated like god damn ice cream flavors, and testing medical efficacy is a shot in the wind. Recreational use is cake, however.

Edit: typo

 

[Madri-Gal]

OK this might sound stupid but when you pack more weed in the bowl and finished it in the same amount of time you'd finish a smaller bowl, would that give you a stronger high, or a longer high, compared the the smaller bowl (same varietal, temp, etc)

My question would be, how would you finish more in the same amount of time with the same temperature, etc? If it's possible to consume more in the same amount of time, then you would get higher. You would be taking a larger dose in the same amount of time. How long the high would last would depend on how long it takes to clear the system, so it would be longer if you were at maximum clearance with the lesser dose.
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Oh, and Merry Christmas.

 

[Alexis]

I think in most cases you will definitely get stronger and more immediate effects, once vapor is flowing.
But I don't think in a linear fashion so as you increase the load size. In that an extra 30% likely wont give 30% extra effefts, for the reasons @zor gives above. Im certain that past a certain point, the more the hit size increases, the lower is the % of absorption.

But still, even with the biggest amount of exhaled, unabsorbed/unused vapor, the larger the hit, the bigger the "hit" in my experience. Generally anyway, I often stitch myself up hard with the Elev8r and overdo it with humungous free-flowing rips.

I try not to blow it all straight back out, but it hurts to hold it. I surprise myself by exhaling 5 or 6 full sized clouds one after another. Hits that big, I find I have to let them out bit by bit for some reason. I hate wasting herb that way with a much larger proportion of unabsorbed exhaled vapour.

But- those hits totally wreck me, despite being the least efficient way to vape. Just the trade off I guess.

 

[CarolKing]

IMO a larger bowl will waste more product. I do enjoy a session verses just a one big gut buster of a hit. A session does require more product generally.

Edit
Some units with a large bowl you have to fill the bowl entirely to get good hits, it depends on the vaporizer you are using.
Do whatever works for you. Starting out with a great product is the key.

Some folks grow their own and can afford to use as much as they want. Others have to watch their finances.

 

[arb]

I use primarily convection type units so in my case over packing tends to lessen the experience........seems they all have a sweet spot where they work best so I try and hit that.

 

[Madri-Gal]

I use primarily convection type units so in my case over packing tends to lessen the experience........seems they all have a sweet spot where they work best so I try and not that.

Not that, than the other?

 

[Alexis]

so I try not that

I like it. Nice little ghetto slang abbreviation. I might have to take that one up. Im all for little perfect language rulebreaks, just so long as we don't lose our roots right?

 

[arb]

Damn speelchek making me look silly.........lolz.

 

[Alexis]

Damn speelchek making me look silly.........lolz.

I dont think you need to worry about looking silly next to my typos and errors. I even just had to edit my post because I failed to even quote you right on the joke I was making.

Fixed it now, but I see you have also edited your funky new slang back into normal (boring) English.
I liked yours way better, keep em coming.

Oh..and very Happy New Year all, far and wide.

 

[ataxian]

I dont think you need to worry about looking silly next to my typos and errors. I even just had to edit my post because I failed to even quote you right on the joke I was making.

Fixed it now, but I see you have also edited your funky new slang back into normal (boring) English.
I liked yours way better, keep em coming.

Oh..and very Happy New Year all, far and wide.

ALEXIS dude I never joke around!
FAKE I joke way too much.

However HAPPY NEW YEAR and VAP dangerously!

 

[3dfx-glide]

I think in most cases you will definitely get stronger and more immediate effects, once vapor is flowing.
But I don't think in a linear fashion so as you increase the load size. In that an extra 30% likely wont give 30% extra effefts, for the reasons @zor gives above. Im certain that past a certain point, the more the hit size increases, the lower is the % of absorption.

But still, even with the biggest amount of exhaled, unabsorbed/unused vapor, the larger the hit, the bigger the "hit" in my experience. Generally anyway, I often stitch myself up hard with the Elev8r and overdo it with humungous free-flowing rips.

I try not to blow it all straight back out, but it hurts to hold it. I surprise myself by exhaling 5 or 6 full sized clouds one after another. Hits that big, I find I have to let them out bit by bit for some reason. I hate wasting herb that way with a much larger proportion of unabsorbed exhaled vapour.

But- those hits totally wreck me, despite being the least efficient way to vape. Just the trade off I guess.

Great reply! I don't think you're wrong in doing the exhale in steps. Check out this video: https://healer.com/programs/the-secret-breath/

 

[Alexis]

Great reply! I don't think you're wrong in doing the exhale in steps. Check out this video: https://healer.com/programs/the-secret-breath/

Yes I do this, and often by accident. I just did it again actually. That damned Elev8r is so cunning at times. Using the coil just now, gorgeous smooth low temp vapor. First few hits were small and gentle, (but big strong hits still by many vaporizers standards across the whole board).

I upped temp slightly, shook the load. Then took a longer draw. Not THAT long (way less than 10 seconds, rapid free-flowing draw, no resistance), it was milked out but the Elev8r milks the bubbler with smooth tasty low temp vapor. So that really, one of it's greatest assets is for big hit lovers. Get the vapor flowing and milking so smoothly at a lowish temp (like easily below 200°C), it is SO smooth going in compared to similar big hitters.

So you can just fill up your lungs. Im picturing gasoline! Honestly, perfect analogy- attach hose, start suck...Stop...whoops, gone too far. In my impatience I so frequently underestimate how much vapor Im taking in with the extended draw.

Time and time again it basically ends up being 5 or 6 times the hit size I am shooting for, and Im already aiming for the largest hit I can comfortably take, to kickstart the process but without wrecking me too quickly or draining the load too fast.

Well I just way overdid it again. I macrodose with the Elev8r, no set approach. Just vape it off fkexibly, until it is done. But in a hardcore fashion.
I didn't need a hit that big at all just now and is the reason for this post as I lay down to recuperate. SO MUCH vapor came out. Massive hit, after massive hit. 5 or 6 "Re-breaths" (that's what we call it, it has received discussion here on FC). True overkill.

The amazing thing about the Elev8r is hits like this still cause the most minimal irritation and discomfort, vs any other vaporizer I have personally tried to hit as hard.
But...big but. It still wastes me so quickly to take such a hit. Damn, I was feeling good and fresh ready to enjoy that load I could have finished the whole load by now in smaller but still very big inhalations and I would not be nearly this wrecked and debilitated.

So that's interesting because I haven't finished the load yet and I exhaled a huge proportion of that hit. I mean I would surely have absorbed a much larger percentage of it taking smaller hits over a longer time. So we can add that to the efficiency argument.

I just watched the (real scientific) video you linked. It kind of scared me a bit actually, brought things home. I thought "Shit, I just did this technique, kind of by accident and by default. But with gigantic amounts of strong vapor! Did I really need to do that?"

I have some behaviours to address in 2019. @3dfx-glide thank you for helping me come to some important realisations today. And also a warm welcome to this forum I hope you will always feel totally free and comfortable to engage and express yourself on any matter you wish. Have a long and happy time on FC.
Im wrecked guys/girls- don't do this at home.

 

[Mookie0608]

I still try to figure that out myself there’s times it feels like I get baked off a tiny bowl and others a loaded bowl hits harder. I get high with bigger bowls some times but the high remains the same the pain relief and body highs for me usually last 30 minutes if I smoke an hour while head highs/effects about 1.5 hours upwards of 2. The highs don’t last longer the bigger bowls just get me higher, but I really think a lot of it has to do with food you eat right before or smoking on an empty stomach etc.

 

[Alexis]

I still try to figure that out myself there’s times it feels like I get baked off a tiny bowl and others a loaded bowl hits harder. I get high with bigger bowls some times but the high remains the same the pain relief and body highs for me usually last 30 minutes if I smoke an hour while head highs/effects about 1.5 hours upwards of 2. The highs don’t last longer the bigger bowls just get me higher, but I really think a lot of it has to do with food you eat right before or smoking on an empty stomach etc.

I think on there is just a variation at different times for what sort of dose and effect we need to be in the state of consciousness which is most soothing and enjoyable to us in that moment.

So sometimes you probably just need a smaller dose and a slower onset to enjoy the full experience, where going above that, as in your means and needs at the time is technically an overdose and an overdose can be felt as an underdose.

Just an idea anyway which could account for some of the variation but no question there are trillions of factors to do with cannabis in general and our own individual constitutions and requirements.

 

[howie105]

For me its in big part a perception thing. Late at night when I am relaxed I can catch a buzz with a very small amount. On the other hand on party days five or six times of that same amount doesn't even seem kick the meter over for me. If the margin of differences wasn't so large I could attribute it all to activity level but for me the margin is just too wide. The only thing to do is go do some more research, for More Science High.

 

[Mookie0608]

Exactly I agree like when I drink a juice that has mango in it or rnstance when I order a white pizza With broccoli and tomato the pain relief is better or if I have a fruit juice that had mango in it or pineapple the highs seem to
Be more hard hitting and intense. Don’t last longer just stronger while they last. Or if I have a glass of water with lemon the highs don’t get intense or if I get incredibly high it brings me back some. I believe that’s one of the terpenes working I think limonene good for anxiety and calming down etc.

 

[CANtalk]

I have found as others mention that filling more flower into a bowl gives gives a larger dose "if" the vape is powerful and flexible enough to handle the larger load (i.e., vaporize well). I try not to "pack" flower down in a bowl; a light tamp is fine but not more. YMMV.

On an interesting related note, I've recently found that the moistness of the flower matters significantly to a vape dose/session. I've been vaping dry weed (stored in zip lock baggies) in a dry climate for a long time. Recently I switched to mason jars and bovedas and it makes a big difference. The flower nugs/buds literally plump up and get bigger. This moisture affects vaping in my experience. A bowl of dry flower is more compact and can provide a bigger dose than fresh moist flower which is less compact (as long as the dry flower is in good shape and hasn't been abused much and lost a lot of trichromes, etc). In my experience a full bowl of moist flower loses a lot of its volume as it's vaporized, I often find over half the bowl volume is lost by the time a bowl is finished. In my experience dry flower loses much less volume when vaporized since it's already fairly dry and compact. So a bowl of good dry flower 'can' be more potent than an equivalent bowl of fresh moist flower because of density differences; there's simply more product in a bowl of dry flower than moist flower. To account for these differences, lately I've been preparing bigger bowls of fresh flower to make up for its lower density. It's working well for me. YMMV.

Even though dry flower can be more potent when taken care of and not stored very long, I prefer moist flower; moist flower helps maintain its integral constituents better during storage and there's less loss over the long term. YMMV.

Cheers

 

[ataxian]

I have found as others mention that filling more flower into a bowl gives gives a larger dose "if" the vape is powerful and flexible enough to handle the larger load (i.e., vaporize well). I try not to "pack" flower down in a bowl; a light tamp is fine but not more. YMMV.

On an interesting related note, I've recently found that the moistness of the flower matters significantly to a vape dose/session. I've been vaping dry weed (stored in zip lock baggies) in a dry climate for a long time. Recently I switched to mason jars and bovedas and it makes a big difference. The flower nugs/buds literally plump up and get bigger. This moisture affects vaping in my experience. A bowl of dry flower is more compact and can provide a bigger dose than fresh moist flower which is less compact (as long as the dry flower is in good shape and hasn't been abused much and lost a lot of trichromes, etc). In my experience a full bowl of moist flower loses a lot of its volume as it's vaporized, I often find over half the bowl volume is lost by the time a bowl is finished. In my experience dry flower loses much less volume when vaporized since it's already fairly dry and compact. So a bowl of good dry flower 'can' be more potent than an equivalent bowl of fresh moist flower because of density differences; there's simply more product in a bowl of dry flower than moist flower. To account for these differences, lately I've been preparing bigger bowls of fresh flower to make up for its lower density. It's working well for me. YMMV.

Even though dry flower can be more potent when taken care of and not stored very long, I prefer moist flower; moist flower helps maintain its integral constituents better during storage and there's less loss over the long term. YMMV.

Cheers

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[ClearBlueLou]

Putting more in your bowl helps you go thru weed faster.

The only thing to do is go do some more research, for More Science High.

“Eat it! Eat it RAW!”

 

[ClearBlueLou]

Oops, dammit...

 

[arb]

Wet cannabis pisses me off.........lolz.

 

[Madri-Gal]

Wet cannabis pisses me off.........lolz.

Are you boiling it again?

 

[arb]

Are you boiling it again?

How else will I decarb it.......lolz.